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Post by misssmith6 on Jan 2, 2012 21:36:24 GMT
Sarahp makes some really good points. I find it very frsutrating when people claim the stallion has more influence than the mare. Having a solid understanding of Mandalian genetics, dominant and recessive genes and Homozygocity are really important if your going to achieve the foal you set out to get.
I own a TB brood mare and my main considerations are always to match a stallion that will highlight and exagerate the good conformation that she has and aim to improve the poor parts (her feet are the big weakness).
I am considering using Future illusion this time round, I would be interested to hear any comments about him.
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Post by sharina on Jan 17, 2012 21:28:50 GMT
i'm planning on breeding my mare this year and although am going to check out the stud and the stallion in the flesh have pretty much decided to go for pickmere scirocco who stands at the pickmere stud, i had originally contacted them about another stallion they own but after they saw my mares pedigree they recommended sirocco, as he is out of an ardencaple bred mare and rotherwood peterpan, and my mare also has ardencaple lines and my mares dam is peterpan's full sister so this would give us the much sought after keston royal ocassion repeated 4 times in the 4th generation which is suppost to be the engine room in producing good ponies. after that my next priority is a live foal and a live mare  |
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Post by moorthan on Oct 19, 2012 9:07:14 GMT
Good Choice Sharina. I have Sirocco son who I adore, best choice I ever made breeding to Ronnie |
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Post by smiggs on Oct 19, 2012 11:25:21 GMT
Hi we have a proper 'chunky' SHP mare who is currently under saddle & has won at the Champs etc, & came 10th RIHS. We were thinking of putting her in foal the year after next, & we wondered of putting a blooder type of stallion on her then you'd get the perfect SHP. Atm some judges just find her a little too chunky, so we thought with something blooder, you'd get a lovely type. Anyone got any suggestions for a stunning 133cm riding pony stallion, to make a 13 hand SHP? As holiday said we have worked 'backwards' & would want the foal to make a 133cm SHP. Our mare Fran is 131.0cm so something around a similar height but no bigger than 133cm so the foal doesn't go over height when it's older! We don't want to put her in foal to around 2013 probably, just looking around now, & to see what people's suggestions are. Fran is just a lovely mare, won various in hand hunter ponies, at PUK, etc she has brilliant conformation, cannon bone, back leg. She has been fabulous undersaddle & has fab manners. Just wanted to see your thoughts on stallions! ;D Snowflake.....have a look on the End House Stud website.....there is a cracking little sports pony on there... I used EHS two years ago for my mare and they are brilliant, I certainly would go back without any hesitation. |
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Post by jackflash94 on Feb 15, 2016 15:32:38 GMT
Well for my dissertation, I am hoping to find out whether semen analysis is a main priority when looking for a stallion for breeding purposes. PERSONALLY I think semen evaluations should be done as much as possible and is the most crucial part of breeding as if a stallion has poor reproductive output, breeding would be highly unsuccessful. I enjoy the science and the biology side of breeding and as part of my degree equine production is my forte and being taught about every single aspect is the most exciting.
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Post by mandmgirl0164 on Feb 16, 2016 10:02:50 GMT
Not always possible to see the sire and dam in the flesh, of the stallion you may be thinking of using, but worth at least looking at photographs. You may well get a foal that takes after grandparents rather than parents.
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Post by 19simeon56 on Feb 16, 2016 22:56:13 GMT
Unless you have a prepotent mare/stallion anything is possible - that is the enjoyment of breeding.You can put the same two parents together half a dozen times and the chances of getting 6 identical offspring are virtually nil,it's difficult enough when breeding pure but when breeding part breds it depends what's in the mix and which genes are more potent in that particular mating.
As for semen analysis,a stud owner will only check for fertility if they have a lot of returns or if they are doing AI.If the stallion has a good track record in racing etc but poor fertility you would manage him accordingly and a good stud owner would evaluate their stallion's offspring and if he isn't producing the goods he would be gelded.
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Post by summerhorsefun on Jan 18, 2017 1:50:14 GMT
One of the biggest variable to consider when picking a stallion, is your mare. Consider what attributes your mare is lacking and find a stallion that complements your mare
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Post by gillwales on Jan 18, 2017 14:47:43 GMT
Looking for a stallion for next year to cover 13hh hunter pony(top class) must have bone, movement and be around 15hh ?? Hi, it would help if you said what area you are in and how far you want to travel. I'm guessing that you are aiming to breed a 14 hand HP? To "up-breed" on height you need to look at the back ground breeding, first of your mare; if she a the "runt" , i.e. that her dam and sire were bigger than her you may stand a chance, the idea that you would get the mean of both heights is not the case, the height of the off-spring is determined by genes, plus what a mare can safely carry. It can, but not always, depend on if a mare is maiden, first time Mums tend to have smaller foals, but this is not always the case. Look then at the back ground of any stallion you are considering, if he is not typical of his line, i.e. bigger than his relations then you could get throw bck genes to smaller animals. Lastly nurture has a part to play, so do your baby well if you want it to be bigger. |
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Post by gillwales on Jan 18, 2017 15:00:08 GMT
I bred my TB mare this year for the first time - she is 16.2 and by Keen, has a scopey jump and lovely, old fashioned conformation with lots of depth, movement and decent bone. As she is a maiden, I wanted to use a smaller stallion to give her an easier time, and also because I wanted to breed something I would realistically enjoy riding - so many people use huge flashy warmblood stallions and will never really have a chance of riding the offspring. Like many TBs, she is quite a character so I wanted a stallion with a good temperament, correctly put together and with movement and ability. In the end, after lots of research, I decided on a Connemara stallion and chose a younger stallion that really jumps and has the temperament to both cover mares and perform under saddle during the same season. I hoped that, as she is 16.2 and he is 14.2, I would end up with a small hunter type, pref dapple grey (I love Sir William John, and as both the stallion and the mare are grey, I thought I had a pretty good shot at a grey) Hmm, despite my best intentions, I managed to breed a whopper! My brown roan foal looks like a pure TB, has legs like a supermodel and has very definitely thrown to her mother's side looks wise, although she is the sweetest, most unflappable character which I think comes from her sire. I'm told her pony genes will kick in eventually and she will stop growing, but lord she's a big girl at the mo! It's given me a useful guide to the type of foal my mare will breed - that big, deep girth obviously means plenty of baby growing room - and will guide me next time o choose a stallion. I'm still hoping to breed my small hunter from her - any suggestions for my next stallion choice? To start with grey is not a colour but an ageing gene turned on, i.e. a horse has to have both on the chromizone. Your girl may still turn grey. It would help if you told us of where in the country you are if wanting a name of a stallion rather than a breed or aa type. I would look for a SHP with plenty of bone. You were right in looking firsty at temprement, it is no point in how lovely a horse might look if it is impossible to ride. Do post a piccy of your supermodel |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 18, 2017 17:49:35 GMT
This situation does date from 6 years ago gillwales! I for another would love to know how her baby grew up.
As for the colour - mating two greys gives you an at least 75% chance of breeding a grey, assuming both parents are heterozygous for the gene. If either is homozygous it will be 100%. It's possible that workingcob's foal, called roan, may in fact be in the process of turning grey anyway.
You can never tell when cross breeding, even with full siblings. I bred two from my 14.1hh Welsh D mare by a neat 16hh WB with lots of TB in his background. The first - and the mares' first foal - made a whisker under 16hh, and the second 14.2hh.
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Post by gillwales on Jan 18, 2017 18:02:49 GMT
sarahp, I did not bother to see when the thread was started, yes it would be good to see how foalie turned out, especially her size.. Workingcob what are you doing with your baby? I agree with you on the outcome of breeding, I had one mare who had 4 full sibblings, her first was a colt and was by far the biggest matching his dam's height who was 14.1 and his sire 13 hands, the 3 girls ended up at 13.2, all were done well and she was never covered with a foal at foot. Both parents were PBW RP and not related in any way.
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Post by mikeymoon on Jul 25, 2017 13:04:40 GMT
If looking at Sires, I believe you shouldn't have close connections / lines - can any one advise pls
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Post by volatis on Jul 26, 2017 6:44:50 GMT
If looking at Sires, I believe you shouldn't have close connections / lines - can any one advise pls Depends how close. if you are thinking of line breeding then you really need to know what that horse brings to that table. If there are some weaknesses, can you live with them if they are amplified. This year I line bred to a top mare, who appears twice in the stallions pedigree and also is in the direct motherline of my mare. She is one of the most important mares in the breed and it is not too close up, but close enough to be an influence. The colt I have bred looks stallion potential so it seems to have worked |
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Post by gillwales on Jul 26, 2017 7:39:26 GMT
If looking at Sires, I believe you shouldn't have close connections / lines - can any one advise pls I fully agree with you mikeymoon, it is often called line breeding, but that is just another name for incest. People will tell you about all of the good traits that you will "breed in" but they forget to mention all of the problems that come with it, digestive troubles/ fertility issues and not to mention difficult temperaments. These are just a few. There is a reason we do not marry our closest relatives. A diverse gene pool is far more likely to produce healthy offspring. |
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Post by sarahp on Jul 26, 2017 9:16:39 GMT
There are two different effects that can come into play when line breeding. In animals, it needs to be looked at scientifically; the concept of sin connected with incest in humans is not relevant.
Firstly that you will magnify any faults or genetic defects by doing so, so you need to make sure there are no deleterious genes in the common ancestor. On the plus side the successfully line bred animal is likely to breed more consistent stock than an outbred one. Many of our breeds of domestic animals have been bred in the first place by intensive line breeding to an outstanding individual, usually male, but it should be noted that in this case a vast and wide variety of females will have been used which will help to keep diversity in the gene pool.
Secondly, continued line breeding will tend to produce inbreeding depression, which is where decreased hardiness, vigour and reproductive soundness can occur.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 27, 2017 20:37:31 GMT
The relevance of incest in humans is the same as animals, it breeds weaknesses and health problems, nothing to do with sin. What I was saying is that it is not allowed in humans by law, although some may put this law down to religion the reality is that the outcome causes problems exactly the same in animals, afteral a human is just another genius of animal.
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Post by carl81 on Oct 30, 2017 9:03:11 GMT
I breed showjumpers, when looking for stallions i consider the past pedigree, performance as well as progeny produced. Also look for stallions with good temperaments, trainable and fight to succeed. You must also consider who you are breeding for their are many excellent stallion who have won a great deal with the top riders, but sometimes a stallion competed at a lower level with an amateur rider may be a better option.
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