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Post by Uptown Girl on Mar 7, 2011 16:40:12 GMT
My Aunts friend Lisa had a chocolate Labrador b**** who has phantom pregnancies. She asked if she could use our Black Labrador Hagan for stud as the vet said that he b**** should have a litter before being spayed to stop the Phantom Pregnancies. But she hasn't explained about what it is and if it will affect Hagan if she uses him for stud ?
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Post by m@m on Mar 8, 2011 8:59:12 GMT
it wont effect your dog medically, but he may act differently once he starts mating, but isnt your lab only a puppy still? you might find you have to wait a little while, also need to think is your dog suitable as a sire, ie hip scored etc
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Post by pattendown on Mar 8, 2011 12:50:58 GMT
phantom pregnancies are caused by a hormone imbalance in the female ,but your male might start senting in the house if you have a in heat female in there ,, but id agree labs do suffer from hip displasia and cannot be hip scored untill they are a year,or that what i was told ,but why would the vet tell her to have a litter from the female before spaying i cant under stand that
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Post by dobermanntrust on Mar 8, 2011 13:28:25 GMT
There is no reason to have a litter before your girl is spayed. She needs to wait until the girl is 12 weeks after her season to have her spayed. If she has a phantom the vet can prescribe Galastop for about 5 days which will bring it to a close prematurely and then have her spayed when the phantom is over.
If she is hanging with milk your friend should make sure she gives her plenty of offleash runs to help her get her shape back before having her spayed. If she's still droopy when they spay her she will stick like that.
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 8, 2011 14:00:27 GMT
having a litter does not stop phantom preganancies.. if anything they can get worse. you hsould not use a dog such as a labradoor as a stud dog before qat least 18 months old. Your puppy is too young
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Post by pattendown on Mar 8, 2011 16:38:07 GMT
your right dazycutter my shephard had alot of phantoms and it was worse after litters ,,and i found out that as shephards are quite closely related that when she had pups from another shephard 1 or more of the pups would be born with a small piece of skin missing and then after a few days the clws would burst off and then die in a horrid way the vet tried everything to help but nothin did i stopped breeding from her quite quickly ,,and she had alot of phantoms ,i spoke to the vet alot about her ,shewas a very strange dog she wouldnt eat or drink with a buster coller so made the decision not to spay her ,but she had no more litters
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Post by Uptown Girl on Mar 8, 2011 18:52:49 GMT
Thanks guys my lab is a year old now so he is ready and he has been hip scored.
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Post by xxshowponyxx on Mar 8, 2011 19:24:23 GMT
You are right iluvhorses, 12 months is the minimum advised age, but as an experienced breeder I would not put any young dog to stud if I wanted him to have a stud career during his life.
Have you considered what would happen if something went wrong which hurt him physically, or scared him mentally i.e if the bit*h gave him a tough time?? It could be enough to put him off mating bit*hes succesfully for life.
You question leads me to believe that you are not an experienced breeder, so it is worth considering so you dont cut his stud career short before it has even begun!
I will also advise you that 'stud dogs' are not mentally the same once you start using them, and whilst they can still be great family pets they will have other priorities in life!
Lastly I would not consider using such a young dog on my bit*hes either because I would want a dog with a fantastic compatable blood line who had proved himself either in the ring or in the field. So at 12 months I would be concentrating on getting these successes rather than using him at stud.
It seems to me the situation your Aunts friend has suggested is possibly only of benefit to her, and actually mating a bit*h does not prevent future phantom pregnancies in my experience anyway!
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 9, 2011 19:04:24 GMT
there are a few reasons why you should breed:
To improve the strain
to have a puppy yourself.
to stop it having phantoms is plain irresponsible, so jsut get is spayed...
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Post by dressagemad on Mar 10, 2011 11:21:49 GMT
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Post by sarahp on Mar 10, 2011 11:25:13 GMT
Our lurcher bit*h started having repeated phantom pregnancies after we adopted a (neutered) rescue dog so was spayed without having a litter, I wouldn't have done from her anyway as she was an accident herself - not ours - and has a willyy hip. No question of the vet saying have a litter first, the only difficult bit was timing it between seasons/phantoms as said above. She was absolutely fine. Surely the vet doesn't think all rescues, who are spayed automatically before rehoming, should have litters before spaying?
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Post by m@m on Mar 11, 2011 9:50:06 GMT
thankyou 'dressagemad' i was thinking the same, but didnt know whether to even bother saying anything, if your going to continually make things up then at least remember what you'v previously written
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 11, 2011 10:52:02 GMT
You need to be very clever if you are going to repeatedly lie  Both my Boxer girls have phantom pregnancies, it is not a big deal!!!!! Your aunt needs to make sure she takes all toys away from the dog so that she dosent use them as puppy substitutes and to give it plenty of excercise. One of my very experienced Boxer breeding friends told me the best thing to do is take the dog down to the river for a play as the cold water on her under carriage helps stop milk production. Both my girls love swimming and this trick has worked every time for them. There are enough unwanted puppies in rescue centres with out adding to the numbers. If the phantom pregnancies are causing a problem to yout aunt or the dog then just have it spayed forget having a litter. You dog at 20 weeks old is not old enough to be used as a stud |
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 12, 2011 23:05:39 GMT
thankyou 'dressagemad' i was thinking the same, but didnt know whether to even bother saying anything, if your going to continually make things up then at least remember what you'v previously written Woops!! Done it again - he (Hagan) was also a she at one point  "I'm taking Hagan my black Labrador puppy to her first show on Sunday. It's only a small family dog show i'm entering her in only a few classes such as pedigree puppy, Sporting, Joiner handler. I'm not sure how to show dogs correctly and what will the judge ask me to do with my dog ?"  |
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Post by kayjayem on Mar 12, 2011 23:14:21 GMT
You need to be very clever if you are going to repeatedly lie You dog at 20 weeks old is not old enough to be used as a stud Or even the right gender ;D |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 13, 2011 17:37:46 GMT
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