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Post by snowflake on Apr 9, 2011 21:12:46 GMT
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Post by ffynnoncadno on Apr 9, 2011 21:36:39 GMT
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Post by snooperdooper on Apr 9, 2011 21:37:43 GMT
R.I.P Babies xxx
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Post by GrumpyPony on Apr 9, 2011 21:59:55 GMT
RIP. Such a terrible waste
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Post by albert on Apr 9, 2011 22:14:17 GMT
RIP such a shame and such a waste of them beautiful horses!!!
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Post by ilovebuckroox on Apr 9, 2011 22:15:08 GMT
RIP.
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Post by snooperdooper on Apr 9, 2011 22:31:11 GMT
Ornais x
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Post by chloe2 on Apr 10, 2011 5:53:53 GMT
So sad, racing in this country is criminal.They are backed and worked far too young which can cuts their lifes short.Why oh why is something not done about the sheer volume of horses in the national? How many more must die? Poor, poor brave horses R.I.P
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Post by Racing on Apr 10, 2011 6:07:31 GMT
Whilst it is very, very sad to see 2 horses lose their life in the National unfortunately accidents happen. There is only so much hubba bubba about it because it is The Grand National. These horses could have died quite simply playing in the field and breaking a leg or having a heart attack. Yes you increase the chance of fatalities by racing them but that is their job. They have been bred, born and trained to minimilise the risks.
Cloe2 Racing in this country is not criminal. I can assure you that these wonderful horses will be looked after far better than your own horses. They are treated like Kings and Queens - owners, trainers and stable staff have FAR too much respect for their charges to do anything other. They have expert training regimes, the correct food, alot do get turned out in the field at least a couple of times a week contry to popular belief. You could not ask them to race and expect them to do well if you don't look after them. The people whom I feel most sorry for are the stable lads and lasses who look after these horses day in day out, they know every inch of their charges, they know when they are feeling exceptionally well and when they aren't.
At the end of the day they are racehorses. Would you say that eventing is cruel? Horses lose their lives doing that. Endurance? Show Jumping? Why single out racing as criminal? We have the best looked after racehorses in the world in this country.
I could also like everyone to spare a thought for the jockey Peter Toole. He had a crashing fall from his mount in a normal chase earlier in the day and he is currently being kept under sedation in a specialist hospital due to suspected serious head injuries. It's not just the horses we ask to risk their lives, please remember that.
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Post by Anom on Apr 10, 2011 9:14:53 GMT
This makes me feel sick, I am so distressed by the events of yesterday. It has made me cry to think of what those poor innocent horses went through. I just hope people change their idea's of the grand national.
Pest In Piece Angels. <3
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Post by rebel22 on Apr 10, 2011 10:40:11 GMT
RIP
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Post by mountainsandhorses on Apr 10, 2011 10:46:46 GMT
I am sorry to say that this particular paper does have a reputation for it's narrow minded opinions. I remember years ago a little girl was shot when she was between two gangs in Birmingham. The mail had the audacity to blame her grandfather for moving here from Jamaica- if he hadn't moved here, she wouldn't have been born here so wouldn't have died(!!!! ) That paper has any excuse to turn a tragedy into a "go" at something. If that were my horse that they showed in that picture I would be sueing them right away- It is in bad taste to show such a shot of such dignified creature. It is not highlighting the dangers of the sport it is selling papers off the back of it.
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Post by J guest on Apr 10, 2011 13:22:11 GMT
I have to agree with racing guest here.
Yes it is very sad that these two horses lost their lives.
these horses would not race if they did not want to, you cannot make a horse do anything it doesn't want to. You only have to watch the loose horses still running and jumping to know that the horses love it.
You also only have to watch the behind the scenes clips, the saddling area and the paddock to know that the horses are very fit, healthy and well cared for.
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Post by bigmama on Apr 10, 2011 13:31:19 GMT
i was out judging yesterday and so didnt get to see the national until the re-run was show just after midnight and the first thing that struck me was just how fast the horses were going ... it really was a fast race in blistering heat for the time of year and so the time of 9 mins 1.2 sec is reported to be the second ever fastest time the national has been run in
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Post by lips36 on Apr 10, 2011 15:41:09 GMT
I made a point of not watching it , and just watched the highlights, to hear the bbc say about waving the chequered flag because there was an obstical well words to that effect, then the next thing you see the horses going wide and the first 1 under a tarpulin, and the 2nd it looked like they was working on the horse, totally upset me had this gutted churning feeling.
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Post by Racing on Apr 10, 2011 16:07:43 GMT
Oh goody ... The Daily Flail! The Racng Industries bestest friend! That article was written 2 years ago! I didn't bother reading it, most of it is tripe where they don't print the full facts - as per usual! Yes horses get put down in racing because their owners can either no longer afford to keep them or have no further use for them but what would you rather they did? Dumped them in a field and forgot about them? Then you would be having ago about racing neglecting it's horses! At least the owner was being responsible for his horses!
The Mail is well known of it's dislike of racing and so they ran that story but it doesn't just happen in racing. As for healthy foals being put down - explain this - why would you put down a perfectly heathly, well formed foal who could be the next Derby or Gold Cup winner? Come on now! Really!
If you want to get up in arms about something then how about all these ponies that go through the sale ring for peanuts being bought up by the meat men?
Next time you eat a bacon sandwich or a beef burger just have a wee think about how those animals were brought up and treated.
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Post by rightrein92 on Apr 10, 2011 16:08:53 GMT
its true what you say racing guest, however these horses should have gone through a more stringant process of qualifiying for the national so only the best of the best that are fit enough get to race and it should be narrowed down to 2 horses, the ground was ran fast and the horses simply got in the wrong place at the wrong time and its such a waste of talent! in different circumstances this need not have happened. RIP to two stunning race horses that will be sadly missed x
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Post by Giddie on Apr 10, 2011 16:41:53 GMT
Racing Guest well done for such clear comments. I adore horses and have all my life.. I spent time working in racing yards as a young lad and you are dead right they are treated like kings and queens, well ours were anyway most belonged to the Queen Mother. As a lad in that yard l would have been devastated had l lost a horse in my care like most are.. I was in P-T-P for 30+ years and l can definitely tell you those horses love their job it is like a big party to them.. It is so very tragic when a horse losses it's life, and brings out all the emotions. I infact gave up P-T-P because l had a dream l was going to lose one of my horses if l didn't stop.. Luckily everyone came back safe.
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Post by Racing on Apr 10, 2011 16:54:13 GMT
The process for qualifying for the National is tougher than for your bog standard handicap chase. You have to have completed 5 Chases, you can't enter the National with less than that. You generally need a rating of at least 135 to stand half a chance of getting into the final 40 runners. Given that most racehorses are rated about 100-120 you really are getting good horses. The entry fee for the National is also rather high - if you thought showing was expensive think of it this way - to run one horse in the National it would cost you about £2500 from start to finish just to enter.
As for the fences themselves you can actually brush through the top 1.5-2ft of 'brush' before you encounter something solid. Though I would never like to see the National run on anything better than genuine Soft ground as it just encourages you to go faster. The faster you go the more mistakes you make and sometimes the more critical the mistake is. And ok I would say 40 runners is a bit extreme BUT the horses are capable of running in the race and the jockeys are true professionals that really don't go looking for trouble.
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Post by alby on Apr 10, 2011 20:51:18 GMT
Totally agree with racing guest , having worked in racing for many years these horses are so well looked after and loved by the lads and lasses who look after them as well as the sad deaths in the national two horses lost there life on the flat on saturday as well at lingfield and thirsk so its not just racing over jumps
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Post by bonnieheather on Apr 10, 2011 22:42:13 GMT
I'm not sure that the Mail has it's facts right - horses in training going for human consumptition??? I wouldn't have thought so purely based on them having vaccinations and any other medication, which leads me to question their other facts... Yes, the article is old, and horses are sent to be shot there, it is not ideal, and doesn't justify why so many are bred, but better to know that they are ending their life than go to an uncertain future, and that is a topic that has raised it's head in many other areas of the equine industry currently... I personally believe these brave horses deserve to retire to the rich grassy summer fields, but it is not a reality...
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Post by laurajazmine on Apr 10, 2011 22:55:32 GMT
RIP Dooneys Gate and Ornais.
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Post by poppy130 on Apr 11, 2011 6:23:40 GMT
Very sad to lose 2 beautiful horses. My bug bear about the national is the final run in to the line, haven't these poor horses done enough after jumping the final fence only to be whipped to go even faster & further, I did comment about the use of the whip & pleased that a 5 day ban was imposed on the jockey. I say take the whips away altogether, because no matter how much you don't want to use it when the adrenalin is pumping I would imagine anything to win, and obviously in that moment the jockey probably doesn't even realise how much it is being used.
Janice
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Post by Emma_X on Apr 11, 2011 21:49:05 GMT
R.I.P to two beautiful horses............. i have to say i am not a racing fan, lots of points i really do not agree with but hey no ones opinion is going to change the industry.
Thought it was quite a shocking race though had to walk away after these two horses didn't get back up, far far to many horses all in the same place......... Glad he got a 5 day ban, he deserved it!!! x
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Post by mcw on Apr 11, 2011 21:57:23 GMT
people this post was written to remember these legendary horses, not to discuss how they lost their lives. RIP
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Post by bonnieheather on Apr 11, 2011 22:08:27 GMT
^^^ You are quite right Ears Pricked...I am sorry, there are other threads running to discuss...
R.I.P. you beautiful, courageous horses xx
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Post by snowflake on Apr 19, 2011 10:54:14 GMT
Whilst it is very, very sad to see 2 horses lose their life in the National unfortunately accidents happen. There is only so much hubba bubba about it because it is The Grand National. These horses could have died quite simply playing in the field and breaking a leg or having a heart attack. Yes you increase the chance of fatalities by racing them but that is their job. They have been bred, born and trained to minimilise the risks. Cloe2 Racing in this country is not criminal. I can assure you that these wonderful horses will be looked after far better than your own horses. They are treated like Kings and Queens - owners, trainers and stable staff have FAR too much respect for their charges to do anything other. They have expert training regimes, the correct food, alot do get turned out in the field at least a couple of times a week contry to popular belief. You could not ask them to race and expect them to do well if you don't look after them. The people whom I feel most sorry for are the stable lads and lasses who look after these horses day in day out, they know every inch of their charges, they know when they are feeling exceptionally well and when they aren't. At the end of the day they are racehorses. Would you say that eventing is cruel? Horses lose their lives doing that. Endurance? Show Jumping? Why single out racing as criminal? We have the best looked after racehorses in the world in this country. I could also like everyone to spare a thought for the jockey Peter Toole. He had a crashing fall from his mount in a normal chase earlier in the day and he is currently being kept under sedation in a specialist hospital due to suspected serious head injuries. It's not just the horses we ask to risk their lives, please remember that. Maybe these horses are treated better than ours: but would they rather have a posh stable/horsebox and die in such a horrible way or live in a simple stable that isn't posh but live a long, happy life?? RIP XXX
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Post by muggley on Apr 19, 2011 16:03:15 GMT
Whilst it is very, very sad to see 2 horses lose their life in the National unfortunately accidents happen. There is only so much hubba bubba about it because it is The Grand National. These horses could have died quite simply playing in the field and breaking a leg or having a heart attack. Yes you increase the chance of fatalities by racing them but that is their job. They have been bred, born and trained to minimilise the risks. Cloe2 Racing in this country is not criminal. I can assure you that these wonderful horses will be looked after far better than your own horses. They are treated like Kings and Queens - owners, trainers and stable staff have FAR too much respect for their charges to do anything other. They have expert training regimes, the correct food, alot do get turned out in the field at least a couple of times a week contry to popular belief. You could not ask them to race and expect them to do well if you don't look after them. The people whom I feel most sorry for are the stable lads and lasses who look after these horses day in day out, they know every inch of their charges, they know when they are feeling exceptionally well and when they aren't. At the end of the day they are racehorses. Would you say that eventing is cruel? Horses lose their lives doing that. Endurance? Show Jumping? Why single out racing as criminal? We have the best looked after racehorses in the world in this country. I could also like everyone to spare a thought for the jockey Peter Toole. He had a crashing fall from his mount in a normal chase earlier in the day and he is currently being kept under sedation in a specialist hospital due to suspected serious head injuries. It's not just the horses we ask to risk their lives, please remember that. Maybe these horses are treated better than ours: but would they rather have a posh stable/horsebox and die in such a horrible way or live in a simple stable that isn't posh but live a long, happy life?? RIP XXX They didn't die in a horrible way. It was instantaneous. They wouldn't have known a thing. And trust me, if our horses die on the track we hope it was a broken neck and not something that will take 10-15mins to resolve.
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