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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:39:51 GMT
8 stallions running with the mares? How to I know, if I purchased a Criccieth poney that the stallion on the passport is the actual stallion who covered the mare? How could I possibly promote the blood lines of my purchased pony which might be fraudulent? I believe I would want to have my money back including all costs engendered for transport and board when this would come to light
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Post by pippard on May 20, 2011 15:43:47 GMT
Well, what a surprise the RSPCA have announced their visit to Cricceth. Anyone want a wager on the fact, that any pony not in good health will have disappeared by then and there will be a great reduction in the numbers on the stud before they appear.
This ties up with the rumour I heard that the people who had allowed the sale of the ponies from this stud last week, where going to go there to remove up to 70 animals. I repeat this is only rumour.
Mr Daley was unable to attend the Emergency Meeting due to previous commitments as with other council members. This was not a case of not wishing to be there but some of the council member do have business and family commitments and could not arrange cover at such short notice.
The best thing that could happen to Mr Court is for the members of the WPCS to request that he is disciplined for bring the Society in to disrepute. I am sure he would say that it was the firm of Brightwells who accepted these ponies for sale and allowed them to be put forward, but Mr Court as MD of Brightwells, to use a often quoted saying. "The buck stops with you". Even better would be for buyers and sellers to boycott Brightwells sales.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:45:35 GMT
Well maybe Terry Court can keep the 70 ponies in his back yard until this blows over
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:52:04 GMT
Ref RSPCA visit from FB page Kim Moody Cow Ok, have called back with relevant info and hopefully! They will attend leominster sales tomorrow. And no! Apparently they don't know about it :/
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on May 20, 2011 16:07:58 GMT
ref lucy comment -You can't sell pets for meat so it would appear that ponies sold to butchers would be under the agricultural law jurisdiction (?) which brings major health and disease concerns for all the EU countries to which they are exported eventually which might mean a Europe wide ban on horse meat exports from the UK until there is a strict adherence to EU norms in terms of condition, transport and provenance. We don't sell horses to butchers in UK Ponydestiny - horses for meat should only go for dog meat in the UK. I actually believe that any animal - bovine, ovine, equine that is going for slaughter should go to its nearest slaughter house - but that is another argument! But cattle and sheep exported/imported have to do so under licence because of FMD/Bluetongue etc which are all notifiable. Under free european trade horses coming into this country do not have to be licensed in as there are no notifiable diseases. I am fairly certain that cattle have to be passed by a vet - in fact I have just looked at a licence from DARD for breeding production cattle coming into the UK which has to be signed by a vet. Sheep also need to be licensed in and out of the country. WIth cattle as well as soon as they come into the UK they have to have their passports changed to a UK passport - horses can come into this country on a romanian passport and remain on that passport!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 16:12:14 GMT
thanks for that lucy so not a route to go down
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 16:14:18 GMT
If the RSPCA et al are not going to do something, then maybe we should turn to the Press. The Sun and The Mail are two newspapers keen to take these things up AND they get things done. What do we say, if we do not have action for these ponies by Monday morning, we make that our Mission?
Failing that, anyone know any animal activists? I am not particularly fussy anymore.
Brindle please pass on to the Facebookers that the rest of us are behind them and keep at it. Video footage of sneaky activities going on would be wonderful for Utube. If healthy ponies are being placed there, this man has lots of friends, shame on them.
Perfect, this isn't going to be easy, it will test our tenacity but I am definitely a stubborn old bat with my teeth well and truly into this.
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 16:16:06 GMT
Plenty of video from Leominster please and ask to see passports, getting them on the legal issues is much easier.
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 16:21:05 GMT
I thogught this might happen and ponies disappear so there won't be a case to answer hence no back patting from me just yet!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 16:22:37 GMT
Under "Penalties" the owner can be made to reimburse the agency under which they animals were placed for their costs engendered www.animallaw.info/nonus/articles/ddukukocdca.htm#penaltiesso the argument that the RSPCA does not touch horse problems as they become too expensive or that they do not have enough funding does not seem relevant
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Post by myriewell on May 20, 2011 16:22:40 GMT
The news of the World is excellent for helping. I have in the past used them for dealings with a very dodgy dealer in our area. and my god they acted very swiftly.
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Post by myriewell on May 20, 2011 16:30:26 GMT
We were at the Brightwells may sale last year 2010 and were horrified at some of the stories we were told by people who were actually helping to load these ponies from named stud. The ponies were in terrible condition then when they came to sale. Terry Court announced how very proud Brightwells were to have the consignment of ponies from this stud at the sale on that day. Shame on him
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 16:36:32 GMT
Right then, The News of the World it is. I shall remind everyone on Monday. I shall need help with the sending off of the photos because I am no good with the old computer.
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Post by kayjayem on May 20, 2011 16:38:46 GMT
I still maintain that horses should come under agriculture rather than under pets then we would not have to rely on charitable organisations to ensure their welfare. I totally agree with you there but I found this article interesting on Kennel Club website www.thekennelclub.org.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=3507&d=pg_dtl_art_news&h=242&f=0I dont know what the results of the proposals were BUT if they were even considering these proposals for puppy farms then maybe the same people could be stirred into action to carry out a similar licencing scheme for pony breeders as they are deemed non-agricultural. Furthermore if a licencing scheme were to be set up it should be encumbent on WPCS to only accept registrations from suitably licenced breeders!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 16:41:23 GMT
I am not quite sure what the RSPCA's game is(?) AND I still cannot find out the Directors name..what kind of a charitable organisation is this anyway? and in whose pocket?? "Gossip"? does Mr Pew earn a salary? Should He???
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Post by gwynsmum on May 20, 2011 16:42:53 GMT
Spoke to RSPCA Area Officer for North Wales Michael Pew or similar I could'nt quite hear and he would'nt repeat it. He says he knows nothing about the case and was extremely rude denies all knowledge of the situation at Criccieth, however he did mention an incident at the Royal Welsh which involved Mr Evans ,which he says was resolved and kept referring to that. His memory then suddenly seemed to return when pressed and when I mentioned having spoken to Owen Williams at Animal Welfare he said Oh I remember it was the WHW who attended the farm and then started asking me if I was refering to all the Gossip on the web,and face book I told him it was not gossip and that there was factual evidence and I told him this is only the begining and that I have yet, to play my trump card. On Monday morning I shall be on the phone to Owen Williams asking him what was the purpose of giving me misinformation regarding the RSPCA. Incidently, he is not my trump card!! Is it just me or does it sound like this RSPCA officer is getting backhanders or something... and could his surname be PUGH...see here...(scroll down a bit www.rspca.west.gwynedd.care4free.net/News%20Archives/N%20Wales%20Inspectorate%20Newsletter/February%202011%20-%20public.pdf )
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 16:48:15 GMT
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 16:51:35 GMT
It is all very suspicious. Mr Evans is neglecting his ponies - fact. He over breeds - fact. He regularly has dispersal sales at Brightwells auctions but carries on breeding - fact. The RSPCA are aware of the situation - fact. so WHY has nothing been done ? He seems to have some kind of a hold on WPCS,Brightwells and the RSPCA. Gwynsmum you could be right - backhanders
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Post by honeypot on May 20, 2011 16:54:42 GMT
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Post by gwynsmum on May 20, 2011 17:01:58 GMT
and if you google RSPCA Mike Pugh, he comes up quite a lot... Has anyone emailed the following person/email address: Equine Rehoming in Wales has become a successful process thanks to the support and foresight of the Wales Board. This newsletter will endeavour to keep the Board, and our wider supporters, in touch with problems and successes during the equine year. Any enquiries regarding equine rehoming should be made via the rehoming offi cer, Sally Learoyd. Sally can be contacted by e-mail; her dedicated e-mail address on behalf of RSPCA Cymru Wales is horsesandponies@rspca.org.uktaken from www.rspca.west.gwynedd.care4free.net/News%20Archives/Equine%20Newsletter/Equine%202011%20Mar%2002.pdf
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Post by colourful on May 20, 2011 17:48:12 GMT
Right then, The News of the World it is. I shall remind everyone on Monday. I shall need help with the sending off of the photos because I am no good with the old computer. Excellent idea SO- they are incredibly good at digging up things that some people may want kept from the public eye, and I dont just mean to do with ponies ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 17:52:14 GMT
The Queen is Patron of both the RSPCA and WPCS. Vice President of the RSPCA is the Arch Bishop of Canterbury. Princess Anne is President of WHW.
You can only contact the Royal family by mail at Buckingham Palace. Write those letters.....
They may think by getting their mates ponies in now (get some back-bone you mates that condone the treatment of these ponies) but we will not go away.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 17:56:50 GMT
Dear Ms Wehbe Thank you for your email. I have contacted the Office of the Chief Veterinary Office (OCVO) within the Welsh Assembly Government and I have been given a mailbox email address livestockwelfare@wales.gsi.gov.uk for any further enquiries to their department about this matter (or to follow up responses direct). I have forwarded on your email below to OCVO for consideration and you should receive a response within 15 working days. Your sincerely Sarah Sarah Davies Uned Gwynion / Yr Is-adran Gweinyddiaeth Gyhoeddus Complaints Unit / Public Administration Division Adran y Prif Weinidog a'r Cabinet / Department of the First Minister and Cabinet Llywodraeth Cymru / Welsh Government Cathays Park / Parc Cathays Cardiff / Caerdydd CF10 3NQ Ffôn / Phone: (029) 2082 5365 E-bost / E-mail: sarah.davies5@wales.gsi.gov.uk "Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Llywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef." "Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Assembly Government, any constituent part or connected body" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pony@royalwelsh.net [mailto:pony@royalwelsh.net] Sent: 19 May 2011 07:23 To: Davies, Sarah (DFMC - PAD) Subject: Re: Cruel and Shocking Welsh Pony Sales Builth Wells CMSCRM:0000046000015 Dear Madame, Thank you for your immediate reply which is appreciated. May I have the name of the person to whom you redirected my request so that I may follow up in a timely manner? This subject will be addressed by all persons shocked at the actual situation, whether in Wales, Europe or on an international level. Apparently, because the breeder in question is a prominent person in Wales there has been pressure brought to bear on local breeders not to speak out, or give photo proof, with talk of guns etc and of course this is absolutely not acceptable. If the current situation which is in fact not current at all, as when I check see a report dating from 2001, has, for reasons unknown become a "national secret" Well no sense in spending millions for the Welsh Tourist Board to promote the area as the international press that you will garner from this sordid affair will negate many of your monies spent unfortunately. As a major promotor for your wonderful ponies in France this situation is shocking to say the least to us, the professional breeders in Europe. We have systems in place in France to immediately address cases of animal cruelty with severe fines being levied by the courts. It also directly affects our business of raising welsh ponies under correct and healthy conditions, maintaining strict breed standards, as the flooding of the market with substandard ponies at derisive prices implicates us on a broader scale. Can we have a taskforce created to address this issue in an immediate and timely manner without the pressure of "old boy" networks in a very small pond, and all the rest of the existing blind eye mechanisms which seem to be operating? I remain at your disposition. Cordially Candace Wehbe Domaine du Royal Welsh FRANCE www.royalwelsh.net
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 17:57:22 GMT
The RSPCA is attempting to change the law....http://www.rspca.org.uk/in-action/changingthelaw Rome wasn't built in a day... I suggest we help lobby government...
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Post by pentaran on May 20, 2011 18:24:43 GMT
edited, point taken pencaedu
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 18:32:48 GMT
Great stuff Linzy!!!!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 18:38:28 GMT
Linzy I find that an absolutely SPLENDID and honed letter which should also be sent to all members of the Royal Family - "Chapeau" (Hats Off) as we say in France!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 18:41:46 GMT
Linzy did you also send that wonderful encapsulating summation to your press contacts? This could probably be the press release that was needed with the pictures
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 18:45:04 GMT
Well done Linzy brilliant ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by pencaedu on May 20, 2011 18:46:10 GMT
I do think that throwing comments of 'backhanders' and 'Masons' is counterproductive & could be considered as slander, if it cannot be substantiated.
Remember, we are all responsible for what we post on here.
I have no wish to be a killjoy - I want to see something done just as much as anyone else, but it would be very unfortunate if something posted on here turned out to be prejucial to any future legal action.
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