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Post by sandid on May 20, 2011 18:48:22 GMT
I would just like to CONGRATULATE all on here for what you are doing............I have ,up until now, never been a lover of the internet especially facebook, but my attitude has changed completely as so much can be achieved from all round the world so quickly................Keep at it!!!!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 18:54:43 GMT
In carrying out our own investigative journalism within this forum it is necessary to examine all possible avenues to try to get to the bottom of WHY there has NEVER been any follow up on blatent animal cruelty. We are just posing questions not making direct affirmations.
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Post by JadeCannon on May 20, 2011 18:59:06 GMT
If the people of Egypt can rise up and overthrow their entire government we can surely get some action against Criccieth stud. Didnt notice this line before - and it seems very motivating now!! - Keep going everyone! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by pentaran on May 20, 2011 19:02:20 GMT
pencaedu as said above point taken, though if there really is a cover up going on it is disgraceful.
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 19:56:47 GMT
If there is any protection being afforded from action/prosecution re this cruelty through the Masonic order than I will find out the order takes a very dim view of such abject cruelty
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Post by hs on May 20, 2011 20:17:42 GMT
What about Peta? www.peta.org.uk/about/A? Failing that, anyone know any animal activists? I am not particularly fussy anymore.
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Post by CarolineNelson on May 20, 2011 20:29:14 GMT
....speaking of which, Bonnieheather Here is my latest letter sent to a selection of MPs today. Please download and send to your MPs everyone. I have included the web address of where you can find your MP's details by putting in your postcode. Please also send with it the photo of Sunwillow Hernani at the sale + the dead pony foaling. Horrible, I know, but we need to use the means we have - a lot of letters land on MPs doorsteps every day and we need ours to stand out. I am also setting up a little flyer (with warning about graphic images online) that anyone can download to distribute as they see fit at shows, WPCS events, etc. That will follow. Mods, could we have a separate thread/sticky for downloadable resources so that these don't get lost? The photo of the poor, pitiful pony dying foaling - is there proof beyond doubt that this was taken on the premises or registered grazings of Mr Evan Evans? (Hoping so)
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 20:34:10 GMT
Yes I believe there would be evidence, the Wpcs have seen that picture before and failed to act apart from telling Mr Evans re the complaint against him and the identity of the brave honest person trying to get this horror stopped.
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Post by bethwelshcob on May 20, 2011 20:45:04 GMT
I do think that throwing comments of 'backhanders' and 'Masons' is counterproductive & could be considered as slander, if it cannot be substantiated. Remember, we are all responsible for what we post on here. I have no wish to be a killjoy - I want to see something done just as much as anyone else, but it would be very unfortunate if something posted on here turned out to be prejucial to any future legal action. I have read every post on here and ss and agree with a lot that has been said BUT I agree with pencaedu, it would be a shame for things to go tits up because of what people have written on the forums
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 20:49:32 GMT
Just copied this off the facebook group -
*****NEWSFLASH****** Last night a large presence of 4 x 4 and farm vehicles at the stud. A large number of ponies unlike the usual type turned into fields by the road of the stud. All usual ponies appear to have been removed. So well done RSPCA (not) the time you have taken to acknowledge and ACT on complaints has given precious TIME to re decorate.
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Post by razzledazzle55 on May 20, 2011 21:02:16 GMT
According to my local paper there is "an entry of welsh mares and foals" at Halls sales in Shrewsbury next Saturday 28th May. No details on there website, will try and find out more next week.
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Post by pentaran on May 20, 2011 21:10:01 GMT
I believe that the person who reported this mare/foal whose name was released by a council member was actually assaulted and threatened at a later date .
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Post by daizylindsay on May 20, 2011 21:13:29 GMT
We could do with a demo outside the stud with tv presence? Maybe not easy but there is a huge support for this cause. The RSPCA are useless IMO.
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Post by pentaran on May 20, 2011 21:13:44 GMT
Actually to clarify my last post. I dont believe, I know as i was told first hand by the person themselves.
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 21:15:21 GMT
Actually to clarify my last post. I dont believe, I know as i was told first hand by the person themselves. I am speechless!!!!!!!!
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 21:16:29 GMT
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Post by supes on May 20, 2011 21:17:15 GMT
Exactly what I said would happen has happened! Can I firstly say I do not wish to deflate or demoralise anyone with the fantastic job you are all doing in bringing this subject of acute neglect to the fore of as many medias as possible, but I tried this 14 years ago and got nowhere- and the reason I got nowhere is that Mr Evans has many many friends in high places, he has many WPCS Council Friends (lets face it, it is Council members who elect which members will get honorary Life Membership, of which Mr Evans is a recipient) and whenever this neglect is reported (which is often) they close ranks around him and he is literally untouchable! Brightwells have made many thousands of pounds out of him in their sales, not only as a seller, but also as a buyer of some very highly priced, beautiful ponies and as a result, Terry Court, by his own admission is a close personal friend, so therefore he is protected from this aspect too...as for the RSPCA, well unless it`s something like a hamster stuck in a drainpipe with Rolf Harris and a film crew present they don`t want to know!
THis last paragraph I would like to state is MY OPINION only as I don`t want anyone getting into trouble for what I am saying , BUT it is a week tomorrow since this Sale took place and I have a feeling that all of the ponies in a poor condition for whatever reason will have either been removed or destroyed and the evidence disposed of and only ones of acceptable condition will be there for the Welfare authorities to now see....the reports that there has been movement around the Stud with 4x4 and horseboxes have sickened me to my stomach as I am pretty sure these won`t have been the Welfare Authorities removing his animals, it will have been his vast army of followers `getting rid of the evidence`, I am afraid it looks like we have been too late and I would like to finish by saying SHAME ON YOU that support him, and SHAME ON YOU who have stood back and let this happen without doing anything and SHAME ON THE MANY WPCS BREEDERS AND SHOW PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY EITHER THINK THIS SITUATION IS ACCEPTABLE OR DON`T WANT TO RISK BEING NOT PLACED IN THIS SHOW OR THAT SHOW FOR SPEAKING UP ALONG WITH THE HANDFUL OF OTHER WELSH STUDS WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS CAMPAIGN - ITS THE SAME OLD STORY, I GET PM`S BY THE DOZEN FROM WPCS MEMBERS SAYING THEY ARE SUPPORTING US BUT DAREN`T SAY ANYTHING...WELL HIDING BEHIND A PM ISN`T SUPPORTING US, GET OFF YOUR ARSES AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THE REST OF US! I am getting tired of being the mouthpiece for so many WPCS members who wind me up to do their dirty work for them so I`m the one getting the black mark all the time whilst they hide behind their anononimity-
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 21:18:23 GMT
Absolutely brilliant Lindzy,
Could we please have that letter to MPs put on a separate thread asking people to send, etc.
Just this thread, rightly, is going over pages very quickly and it will be lost.
Lots of people who haven't the benefit of coming on regularly will be very sorry to have missed it.
Thanks everso.
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Post by colourful on May 20, 2011 21:19:37 GMT
Just copied this off the facebook group - *****NEWSFLASH****** Last night a large presence of 4 x 4 and farm vehicles at the stud. A large number of ponies unlike the usual type turned into fields by the road of the stud. All usual ponies appear to have been removed. So well done RSPCA (not) the time you have taken to acknowledge and ACT on complaints has given precious TIME to re decorate. IF this is genuinely the case then video footage, pictures of those involved and vehicles regs. are necessary - BUT this in itself is not proof of wrongdoing - okay so some folks were moving ponies around - that in itself is NOT illegal. Tread warily please. The law is complex and difficult and we need media and welfare on our side - without this we could be seriously in trouble. We must work within the law - I know it is an emotive issue, but if we are to help we have to get it right - ANYONE A LAWYER? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by supes on May 20, 2011 21:20:03 GMT
I would also like to add though that I do appreciate the many messages of support received by Non WPCS members, they are very thankfully received.
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Post by daizylindsay on May 20, 2011 21:20:34 GMT
I think people who support these villains or turn a blind eye to be in with a rosette are as bad as him.
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 21:23:06 GMT
AMWAP is very knowledgeable but she is on holiday. We used to have a lady called legalchick.
If there is any legal beavers on here that don't think it ideal to become publicly involved, please would they pm millismum and just say if we are a bit near the mark.
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Post by CarolineNelson on May 20, 2011 21:29:45 GMT
Exactly what I said would happen has happened! Can I firstly say I do not wish to deflate or demoralise anyone with the fantastic job you are all doing in bringing this subject of acute neglect to the fore of as many medias as possible, but I tried this 14 years ago and got nowhere- and the reason I got nowhere is that Mr Evans has many many friends in high places, he has many WPCS Council Friends (lets face it, it is Council members who elect which members will get honorary Life Membership, of which Mr Evans is a recipient) and whenever this neglect is reported (which is often) they close ranks around him and he is literally untouchable! Brightwells have made many thousands of pounds out of him in their sales, not only as a seller, but also as a buyer of some very highly priced, beautiful ponies and as a result, Terry Court, by his own admission is a close personal friend, so therefore he is protected from this aspect too...as for the RSPCA, well unless it`s something like a hamster stuck in a drainpipe with Rolf Harris and a film crew present they don`t want to know! THis last paragraph I would like to state is MY OPINION only as I don`t want anyone getting into trouble for what I am saying , BUT it is a week tomorrow since this Sale took place and I have a feeling that all of the ponies in a poor condition for whatever reason will have either been removed or destroyed and the evidence disposed of and only ones of acceptable condition will be there for the Welfare authorities to now see....the reports that there has been movement around the Stud with 4x4 and horseboxes have sickened me to my stomach as I am pretty sure these won`t have been the Welfare Authorities removing his animals, it will have been his vast army of followers `getting rid of the evidence`, I am afraid it looks like we have been too late and I would like to finish by saying SHAME ON YOU that support him, and SHAME ON YOU who have stood back and let this happen without doing anything and SHAME ON THE MANY WPCS BREEDERS AND SHOW PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY EITHER THINK THIS SITUATION IS ACCEPTABLE OR DON`T WANT TO RISK BEING NOT PLACED IN THIS SHOW OR THAT SHOW FOR SPEAKING UP ALONG WITH THE HANDFUL OF OTHER WELSH STUDS WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS CAMPAIGN - ITS THE SAME OLD STORY, I GET PM`S BY THE DOZEN FROM WPCS MEMBERS SAYING THEY ARE SUPPORTING US BUT DAREN`T SAY ANYTHING...WELL HIDING BEHIND A PM ISN`T SUPPORTING US, GET OFF YOUR ARSES AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THE REST OF US! I am getting tired of being the mouthpiece for so many WPCS members who wind me up to do their dirty work for them so I`m the one getting the black mark all the time whilst they hide behind their anononimity- You speak wisely. Particularly in regeard to the anonimity. For many years my dear late Mother (proud to be a WPCS Member/Breeder) and I (proud to be ditto) worked so hard to try to prevent overbreeding. Overbreeding everywhere. But that was before the days of the masses wanting to own or (sometimes worse) save, a pony. I thank the good Lord that she didn't live long enough to see this distress of her favourite Breed. Has anyone thought to contact Dr Wynne Davies MBE?
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 21:34:11 GMT
This is a tough 'fight' but it is not impossible. The cowards that are supporting these actions are as bad as the one who has performed them. And for those too scared to say anything.....erm....look at those pictures!!! We do not give in to bullies.....
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Post by lozloz1 on May 20, 2011 21:34:29 GMT
That letter is brilliant Linzy D ickinson, I shall be using it!
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Post by pentaran on May 20, 2011 21:40:26 GMT
Dr Wynne Davies was virtually drowned out by groans from the floor and front table in the LLandudno AGM when he tried to put over his concern for the plight of some ponies and the issues of overbreeding.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 20, 2011 21:49:59 GMT
I have now put Linzy d!ckinson's fantastic letters, in full, on the contacts thread at the top of the lounge, so that anyone who wishes may copy and paste and forward to the relevant organisations. I hope that is OK Linzy - please let me know if not.
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 21:52:53 GMT
Supes - I agree with you 100% There are a lot of Welsh Studs and welsh people from the area that actually normally post on this forum and many threads but strangely quiet on this one...closed ranks some of them and the rest too worried about upsetting any wpcs panel judges.
Thank God for the Nps is all I say we have high profile breeders and members of that society on here and on the FB group and they not afraid to post either suporting this issue - hang your head in shame those of you who are too afraid of this man to speak up or your rossettes are ultimately more important to you!
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Post by Milliesmum on May 20, 2011 22:00:02 GMT
I can't make the link work, is it just me?
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 22:01:28 GMT
Wont work for me either
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