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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 6:38:42 GMT
Thank you everyone for all their help both in front and behind the scenes, together we are making a difference. May I suggest that as many of you as possible write a letter to the editor of H & H? And subscriptions and advertising for what is now very much in the forefront of being an "Ethically Minded Magazine" The Core Committee is working on many many more initiatives, which you will see falling into place as the days go forward, but now we need to recharge our batteries and it will become more quiet on the "Front" Line as we move into the addressing of the major issues in an organised and professional manner. We did get the ponies out of Criccieth within 7 days which we are proud of. We are also calling for Volunteers, if during the first round somehow you made your presence known but we did not capitalize enough on it, please come back to us again, as we will start to work with rotating teams to take the pressure and enormous workload off the Initiating Committee. Don't worry about time constraints, we are happy for any time committment! Thank you all again for your patience when we had to go silent at times to get this done.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 6:42:39 GMT
We urgently need a logo! We will be organized under the following designation going forward to address the issues at hand and in the interest of full transparency
Responsible Equine Breeding Society (REBS)
The logo creation will be a contest with a price and recognition.
Also anyone who has FB, Internet website creation skills please contact me as we would like to have this accomplished in the next couple of days along with the logo. Contact whomever you know! Thank you again
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 6:44:33 GMT
We will be giving a prize not a "price" for the Logo Competition!
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Post by sageandonion on May 26, 2011 6:47:40 GMT
I think the logo should be a pic of Hernani's head and she should be our 'founder mare'.
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 26, 2011 6:49:59 GMT
Good idea Sagey I shall be bying H & H today for the first time in years!!!!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 6:51:53 GMT
or Hermani as our Mascot, and a logo that looks professional and strong and is immediately recognizeable to the world at large (?)
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 6:53:04 GMT
Could Pippard please contact me ?
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 7:06:17 GMT
For anyone who needs it or who has been kicked off this forum here is my email pony@royalwelsh.net or send a message from the FB pages
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Post by getyourfactsright on May 26, 2011 7:14:19 GMT
"I was amazed to read Pippard saying that she found the referrals of our Publicity Officer to his own ponies very boring. Perhaps he has something to be proud about?? He sells his foals on the Fayre Oaks Sales for £1,550; £1,500 (and they go on to win prizes at the Horse of the Year Show etc) whereas there were plenty of others in Brecon for £5. How much do you (Pippard) get for yours and do they all end up in good homes?
In answer to the above:
Yes those were high prices, but you fail to mention foals sold by Dr Wynne for £40 and £50 each at Fayre Oaks and other sales. When you take into account production costs, registration, entry fees, etc. it's clear that he too makes a huge loss on his inferior stock. So do please present the whole picture rather than pretend ALL of this breeder's foals command tremendous prices. He, along with all other breeders produce some foals that are far better than others.
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Post by junetimp on May 26, 2011 7:26:53 GMT
I too will be buying H&H for the first time in years.
Well done everybody.
I can hear lots of whinnies echoing that !
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Post by Milliesmum on May 26, 2011 7:32:23 GMT
The price is almost irrelavent - it's the condition that matters. Whether they are going to end up at HOYS or on a european dinner plate, they should have their basic needs met whilst they are alive.
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Post by bonnieheather on May 26, 2011 7:42:25 GMT
^^^^ Quite right MM!!!! Perhaps low prices were made due to 'other' stock, not as well cared for that get the attention of people... £40 or £50 can not ever cover the costs of those responsible breeders that reister, vaccinate, worm, passport, feed, feet trim etc, etc.....and these responsible breeders are loosing out...
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Post by fayecary on May 26, 2011 7:58:50 GMT
The price is almost irrelavent - it's the condition that matters. Whether they are going to end up at HOYS or on a european dinner plate, they should have their basic needs met whilst they are alive. One of the best replies i've read on here Applauds
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Post by fayecary on May 26, 2011 8:00:02 GMT
Whilst I'm here for 5 minutes, can i ask how many of you know of and know the work of, EMW?
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Post by mpc on May 26, 2011 8:09:49 GMT
I note in the H&H Article, Mr Evans son; Alan, stated the Sunwillow Hernani had only been in his fathers care for "a month, so her condition was not down to him" I understand it was much longer than this and H&H say that they have heard from another source that the mare had been at Criccieth since November.
Does anyone know the truth on this?
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Post by hs on May 26, 2011 8:28:20 GMT
Have they been removed by a welfare agency or are they with friends of the breeder? We did get the ponies out of Criccieth within 7 days which we are proud of.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 8:40:11 GMT
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Post by gypsy1 on May 26, 2011 9:01:14 GMT
WELL DONE ,
I was at Builth and saw the ponies and if in a different position i woul d have taken one home but couldnt .
There are too many of these ponies being allowed to be bred and societys should act firmer .
I have heard of one mountain pony stud where all the colt foals go to a Wildlife park as food for the lions / tigers and other carnivores .
There is too much over breeding !!! and needs to have a tight rein put on it now ...
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Post by jebediah on May 26, 2011 9:08:46 GMT
Whilst I'm here for 5 minutes, can i ask how many of you know of and know the work of, EMW? YES I sometimes write sale reports which are added to their website
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Post by sjp on May 26, 2011 9:12:56 GMT
Ponydestiny, you say "We did get the ponies out of Criccieth within 7 days!. Can you please confirm this as we drove past on the 6th day and there were loads of ponies!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 9:14:42 GMT
Drive by now..
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Post by amanda on May 26, 2011 9:24:44 GMT
where did they go? whats the secrecy? hope they are with a welfare society and enjoying a bit of tlc.
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Post by diadem on May 26, 2011 9:26:02 GMT
I note in the H&H Article, Mr Evans son; Alan, stated the Sunwillow Hernani had only been in his fathers care for "a month, so her condition was not down to him" I understand it was much longer than this and H&H say that they have heard from another source that the mare had been at Criccieth since November. Does anyone know the truth on this? Im insensed by this and had to post !!!! Absolute rubbish, it is common knowledge that this mare went back to the stud about 7 months ago in good condition. If he says that the condition was not down to them, WELL WHAT WAS YOUR EXCUSE FOR ALL THE OTHER SKINNY UNDERNOURISHED UNWORMED PONIES !!!!!!!!
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Post by Milliesmum on May 26, 2011 9:27:03 GMT
YES, I've heard of Equine Market Watch, I think you do a brilliant job.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 26, 2011 9:28:29 GMT
If I remember rightly, hernani went to stud in scotland, does anyone know who her foal is by, and could the stud owner confirm when the mare returned to her owner? I would imagine the person concerned would be most put out by Mr. Alan Evans suggestion that her condition was the responsibility of the scottish stud.
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Post by sjp on May 26, 2011 9:28:44 GMT
Thank you Ponydestiny, I take it from that they have all gone. I live nearly 2 hours away from the stud and went out of concern.
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Post by poop on May 26, 2011 9:29:11 GMT
'Getyourfacts right', i saw Dr Wynnes foals tht made £40 - £50, they were all bay and chestnut colts, but were still all well produced and it is only the fact they were colts that they made no money. At least one I know has gone on to do well showing. The old things that buyers are shortsighted and only buy the flashy and overlook colts. Re HOw long Hernani was at Criccieth, Ann Ble Willims has the facts on this!!!
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Post by diadem on May 26, 2011 9:31:20 GMT
"I was amazed to read Pippard saying that she found the referrals of our Publicity Officer to his own ponies very boring. Perhaps he has something to be proud about?? He sells his foals on the Fayre Oaks Sales for £1,550; £1,500 (and they go on to win prizes at the Horse of the Year Show etc) whereas there were plenty of others in Brecon for £5. How much do you (Pippard) get for yours and do they all end up in good homes? In answer to the above: Yes those were high prices, but you fail to mention foals sold by Dr Wynne for £40 and £50 each at Fayre Oaks and other sales. When you take into account production costs, registration, entry fees, etc. it's clear that he too makes a huge loss on his inferior stock. So do please present the whole picture rather than pretend ALL of this breeder's foals command tremendous prices. He, along with all other breeders produce some foals that are far better than others. REGARDLESS , the issue here is how they are looked after, the Doctors ponies are kept correctly and not neglected, please dont bring him into this as he doesnt deserve it
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Post by LinzyD on May 26, 2011 9:35:35 GMT
I note in the H&H Article, Mr Evans son; Alan, stated the Sunwillow Hernani had only been in his fathers care for "a month, so her condition was not down to him" I understand it was much longer than this and H&H say that they have heard from another source that the mare had been at Criccieth since November. Does anyone know the truth on this? This is the standard response in any case of this sort. It is a bit like when people are done for drugging in showing - they say 'my horse was given the wrong feed by mistake; the bute or whatever was for another horse.' Everyone in the know knows that when someone accused of neglect says they have only just got the pony it means 'I know I am guilty, but I know there is a well-established excuse that I can use.' ELE knows that it is very difficult to prove where Hernani was or was not over the past 6 months or so, especially given that he has so many ponies and they are all grey.... Hernani was not the only pony presented for sale in this condition by ELE and everyone knows that. She is merely a symbol of the wider issue. Congratulations to H&H for a very balanced article and for inviting Brightwells, ELE and the WPCS to comment. I think there is a much more serious concern raised by the statement made by the WPCS. Is it right that the WPCS should issue passports to any member who asks? Is that truly the role of a BREED society? The Horse Passport Agency can do that. Shouldn't the WPCS be doing MORE than that to preserve bloodlines and foster responsible breeding? What are they saying, that so long as you pay your membership fee you can have as many passports as you want, no questions asked? In view of the fact that DEFRA is reviewing the PIOs at the moment, I would say here you go DEFRA...here is one to cull...these passports can easily be issued by one, undiscriminating passport agency... absolutely no need whatsoever for the breed society to issue them seeing as they seem not to care one jot about whether the passports are even for the right ponies let alone whether the numbers bred are 'responsible' or not.
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Post by sjp on May 26, 2011 9:35:58 GMT
Milliesmum, I believe from what I read on here that she was at Tullibardine stud, who's owner died thus Hernani returned to Mr Evans. She stayed with a forum member on her way back to Criccieth who reported her in good condition in November. I'll look for the old post.
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