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Post by sjp on May 26, 2011 9:43:00 GMT
Ponycrusade, good post. Now is the time to introduce DNA testing for every foal registered with the WPCS. This would then make the stud books worthwhile and the expense of it would cut over breeding. We would be happy to pay the increase for the few foals we breed.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 9:44:23 GMT
Last post for a while, need to work with others on getting the website up and running..volunteers???
Let's remember that there was a catalysing event that happened, which turned the spotlight on practices which were accepted for many years. We are not in a position to make exact comments on the catalysing event for obvious reasons. There was apparent abuse, there was apparent cruelty, there are laws and legal bodies that can see they are applied . Public attention was and will continue to be focused on this catalysing event which in turn spurs on the legal entities to do their job. I find it pitiful that Brightwells and WPCS did not do their utmost to dissuade one individual from presenting his animals in that condition in a public sale and becoming the focus of public outrage. Why would friends do that?
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Post by kayjayem on May 26, 2011 9:54:36 GMT
Milliesmum, I believe from what I read on here that she was at Tullibardine stud, who's owner died thus Hernani returned to Mr Evans. She stayed with a forum member on her way back to Criccieth who reported her in good condition in November. I'll look for the old post. How disgusting, can this "man" get any worse? Not only has he neglected the poor creature to such an extent tbut to then blame some poor person who has passed away and unable to defend themselves. What a scumbag!!
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Post by stormyskies on May 26, 2011 10:03:37 GMT
Ah but don't lose heart, there sounds like their is proof from another forum member that in Nov she was fine.
The man really is despicable
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Post by LinzyD on May 26, 2011 10:19:22 GMT
Can the person who liaised with the H&H please provide them with the evidence about Hernani's condition when given back to Criccieth and how long she has been there? H&H have run a fantastic, leading piece here and I am sure that in the interests of good journalism they will want to follow up with more factual information as it becomes available. It is going to run and run provided we keep the story 'live' and although action against ELE is probably going to be fruitless, it all serves to highlight the wider cause at a very high level.
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Post by fayecary on May 26, 2011 10:23:42 GMT
Can we try and not lose sight of the fact that Brightwells are actually one of the "Good Guys" and usually run d**ned good sales... The REAL targets here should be the shyte sales..such as Brecon/Telgarth/Llanybiddyr where "welfare" is at best poor and at most non-existant. I feel these should be addressed equally..although a well organised, carefully actioned campaign would need to be set up to have ANY impact whatsoever on these establishments..
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Post by hs on May 26, 2011 10:35:07 GMT
Ah but this person who passed away hopefully has family or friends who are willing to defend her reputation. Someone must have transported the pony from her stud down to the ELE's stud and seen her condition at the time and know more. Only having the pony a month is no excuse - there was a foal in poor condition with its ribs showing in a field near us that had obviously been bought as a companion for another foal who was in great condition. Within a month of proper care the poor condition foal was blooming and looking almost as good as the other foal if given the correct care the good doer sorts can pick up remarkably quickly with a bit of TLC. I would not be surprised if after a month with proper care from Ms Barr Hermani will look like a different pony. Milliesmum, I believe from what I read on here that she was at Tullibardine stud, who's owner died thus Hernani returned to Mr Evans. She stayed with a forum member on her way back to Criccieth who reported her in good condition in November. I'll look for the old post. How disgusting, can this "man" get any worse? Not only has he neglected the poor creature to such an extent tbut to then blame some poor person who has passed away and unable to defend themselves. What a scumbag!!
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Post by CarolineNelson on May 26, 2011 10:37:24 GMT
Can we try and not lose sight of the fact that Brightwells are actually one of the "Good Guys" and usually run d**ned good sales... The REAL targets here should be the shyte sales..such as Brecon/Telgarth/Llanybiddyr where "welfare" is at best poor and at most non-existant. I feel these should be addressed equally..although a well organised, carefully actioned campaign would need to be set up to have ANY impact whatsoever on these establishments.. Is that McCartney's? There are numerous all over the Uk which have sales far worse than the three mentioned above. Otherwise, well said........... However, it's not only the 'establishments' but the 'clientelle' who wouldn't be likely to change the habit of a lifetime (and were raised to this existence by their forbears) Again, I refer to those who choose to sell at Appleby, Stow etc.
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Post by fayecary on May 26, 2011 10:45:39 GMT
Can we try and not lose sight of the fact that Brightwells are actually one of the "Good Guys" and usually run d**ned good sales... The REAL targets here should be the shyte sales..such as Brecon/Telgarth/Llanybiddyr where "welfare" is at best poor and at most non-existant. I feel these should be addressed equally..although a well organised, carefully actioned campaign would need to be set up to have ANY impact whatsoever on these establishments.. Is that McCartney's? There are numerous all over the Uk which have sales far worse than the three mentioned above. Otherwise, well said........... However, it's not only the 'establishments' but the 'clientelle' who wouldn't be likely to change the habit of a lifetime (and were raised to this existence by their forbears) Again, I refer to those who choose to sell at Appleby, Stow etc. So, are you suggesting this will all be a waste of time, because its "what the breeders have always done"?
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Post by honeypot on May 26, 2011 10:58:08 GMT
First of all congratulations to everyone in front and behind the scenes for getting this in the H&H. I did wonder if H&H would play safe and not touch it. EMW has been trying to raise awareness of these poor animals plight for sometime but I think what has happened to Hernani has added extra focus and the fact that the WPCS seem to have given up on trying to influence these mass breeders when they could at least try to be a force for change. We now have to be persistant as the people who think we are just 'emotional' wil be wanting us to keep quiet now. I am going to write to the Welsh assembly, the do nothing because it a way of life lot have had it their own way for to long.
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Post by sjp on May 26, 2011 11:02:48 GMT
I've written to the Horse and Hound to congratulate them. Can someone please tell me is the WPCS Welfare Officer a paid role?
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Post by JadeCannon on May 26, 2011 11:24:00 GMT
Well done h&h. - I sat in floods of tears at the lovely picture of Hernani. So so happy for her! My first thought on the matter though would have to be Terry courts statement "... We've found them all nice homes" - how the hell does he know that??? Does BW now check all purchasers backgrounds and see if they are 'nice' Also the vet "... They are better off being sold than going back to where they came from" - how the hell does he know that??? Sorry just the bits that annoyed me! H&H - you are amazing - I will be handwriting a letter of thanks immediately Can't wait to see what horsescene mag have done on it - apparently it has even more info and depth!! It's out next week so I've already put mine on order! Fab work everyone- please visit the Facebook page "responsible equine breeding society" - there is a long way to go but hopefully we can keep up the momentum and make some changes for all the Hernani 's out there.
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Post by bonnieheather on May 26, 2011 11:42:22 GMT
So Hernani came in this condition a month ago? Yet after a week and a half with her new owners you can see the difference?
And the vet has hung the one who brought the ponies to the sale...."... They are better off being sold than going back to where they came from"
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Post by workingcob on May 26, 2011 11:43:35 GMT
What a flaming nerve the vet has as well - describing the ponies as being in "farmyard condition" What the hell is that supposed to mean? We have hundreds of "farmyard" animals here and let me assure that vet, NOT ONE looks like Hernani did at that sale
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Post by tyneath on May 26, 2011 12:02:44 GMT
Any news from Builth? Particularly interested in lot 5 Pyrgll Danny Boy ( fancied him last year) and lot 234 Pendock Holly (nice old breeding!) Would be lovely to hear that the Criccieth ponies have found good homes!!! Edited to change title.
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Post by tyneath on May 26, 2011 12:07:12 GMT
Any news from Builth? Particularly interested in lot 5 Pyrgll Danny Boy ( fancied him last year) and lot 234 Pendock Holly (nice old breeding!) Would be lovely to hear that the Criccieth ponies have found good homes!!! Edited to change title. hi, just seen your comment, just to let you know that Pyrgll Dannyboy is still for sale from home, decided that we would prefer that he be sold from home! still available to a good knowlegable home ;D
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Post by dobiegirl on May 26, 2011 12:12:35 GMT
I applaud the article in H&H and hope they follow it up.
The vet in his interview has said that these ponies were better off being sold than going back to where they came from. Isnt that an admission that the ponies welfare would be comprimised by going back to mr Evans. I certainly feel in that statement they have shot shemselves in the foot.
The horse world is very small and I know of at least 2 racehorses owners who are now aware of this situation and are not happy with Brightwells stance on this. Perhaps when Brightwells business starts to suffer and people start to ask questions they will realise that they have made the biggest mistake of their lives.
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Post by lancs on May 26, 2011 12:18:48 GMT
We are told that all the ponies have been removed from the stud, who arranged this, was the new committee or was it "friends" of the stud ? Are they safe and not going to return to the stud ?
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Post by amanda on May 26, 2011 12:36:36 GMT
lancs i asked this question earlier when poneydestiny stated they had been moved? no answer on this thread as yet, i think after all that has been said and all the publicity we should know what has happened to these ponies!!
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Post by Milliesmum on May 26, 2011 12:50:43 GMT
Appeal on behalf of a HG member.
Please could anyone who knows or is in contact with the transporter responsible for collecting Sunwillow Hernani from stud in scotland, or from Criccieth for the journey to scotland, please get in touch with me. Discretion assured. Thank you.
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on May 26, 2011 12:55:29 GMT
Well done to H & H for reporting about this in this weeks issue, I too did wonder whether they would shy away from it BUT seeing as they did a report a while back about welfare abroad and transporting abroad they had to act on a problem closer to home. Well done to them. This was testimony to everyone who acted and got the wheels in motion from here and the FB page and all the letter writing and emailing. Let's hope that some good comes from all this and we never have this appalling situation again.
If the ponies from Criccieth have been moved, I sincerely hope and pray they have gone somewhere for their benefit and that they get really good homes.
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Post by jinja on May 26, 2011 13:02:38 GMT
We are told that all the ponies have been removed from the stud, who arranged this, was the new committee or was it "friends" of the stud ? Are they safe and not going to return to the stud ? I would like the same answers as the above, I have followed this story from the start and been extremely upset by it, we were led to believe that the ponies had been moved by friends of Mr Evans to save him from any repercussions brought about by this story. This is the first time I have read the ponies were rescued. I would like some proof of this can you please respond, and why were we not told the ponies had been saved rather than us all thinking they had gone elsewhere for more of the same. I also find it hard to understand that Mr Evans would just allow people to remove his ponies. I really do feel we deserve to hear the full story.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 26, 2011 13:03:43 GMT
If nothing else I think the powers that be have realised that this sort of thing won't pass un noticed, and that we aren't going to go away quietly.
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Post by jdd on May 26, 2011 13:13:09 GMT
Not commented on this until now but well done all for getting into H&H and I have emailed to congratulate them for doing so.
Would love to know the ponies were rescued not moved as well.....
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Post by poneydestiny on May 26, 2011 13:32:48 GMT
Let me give this to the readers another way.
Because of the actions of all of the readers, the other forums, the FB pages, the media, and various other initiatives, ponies are no longer at the stud in question. That's it and all I am saying and if anyone wants to get involved in the huge information flow we have going at the moment, I invite them to volunteer for a committee as there is more than enough information to go around for everyone at the moment, and we are dropping in our tracks from exhaustion on the front line - it is much easier to pose questions than to run around getting them answered, and my hat off to the many many people doing just that behind the lines. Sorry if it is a bit short but we still have huge things to accomplish to get a satisfactory ending to a very large problem and we invite you to roll up your sleeves and help us so we put this to bed as quickly as possible. Remember also that on this forum are people from time to time who do not share the same views as the majority and are fishing for answers or trying to slow the process - sometimes coming in and out briefly. Thanks again to all the wonderful people bringing this forward inch by inch and ALL of your efforts count
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 13:43:36 GMT
I haven't bought H&H yet - this is good news and congratulations to all those on here who kept the momentum going - do we know where the ponies have gone?
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Post by trueblood on May 26, 2011 13:53:38 GMT
Just seen h & h and congratulations to everyone to help bring this around, its nice to see finally some reward for all the hard work people have put in!
Poneydestiny you should be a politician with such a diplomatic response but yet with no answers, everyone has followed this from the start and I would love to know what has happened to the rest of his ponies.
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Post by jdd on May 26, 2011 13:55:30 GMT
They may not be at that stud but stating rescue would make it appear it is known they are safe but the above suggest that in fact it isn't know where they are so could be worse off - in a barn hidden away with no food or water.....
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2011 14:10:15 GMT
For anyone who needs it or who has been kicked off this forum here is my email pony@royalwelsh.net or send a message from the FB pages We don't just " kick people off the forum" For your information pippard removed their own account. This site as far as we are concerned is Democratic. We leave what we can as long as we can. If that was not the case this thread would have gone long ago due to the pressure put on us from outside sources.
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Post by kmc on May 26, 2011 14:20:34 GMT
i wish i went and saved some of these poor ponies now! :-(
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