drea
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Post by drea on May 16, 2011 19:36:24 GMT
I think she's looking just about right weight wise, no more or no less, and with a bit of time and work the back end will catch up, good luck showing her
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Post by sageandonion on May 16, 2011 20:42:56 GMT
Well I don't agree with gtr either, but she is entitled to her opinion and if she agrees with the judge so be it. I like this mare very much and am splitting straws for points to criticize simply because the poster would like his/her mare up the line in future.
You see how opinions differ because when looking for a horse the fact this mare's bum is lower than her withers for me would be a massive plus. It means it will make it far easier for her to sit on it at a later date for more advanced movements. It certainly isn't a weak bum.
I brought my mare in tonight and I am ashamed to say she is fatter than yours.
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Post by armada on May 16, 2011 21:34:27 GMT
Well she has had ample opportunity to explain why she agrees with the judge, and if you are going to make such a comment, at least have the good manners to say why you think so when asked, as a judge, either in the ring or replying to a poster I would have the decency to do so.
And I will say, the cob was I imagine in a breed class, not a 'potential to make a ridden whatever class' and was judged as breeding stock, not as an advanced dressage horse.....
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Post by hs on May 16, 2011 22:14:32 GMT
I am no expert on Section D so I just go by what I see in the rings and in H&H. I would say to my untrained eye she looks so slim in comparison to the others that she does look very different to the welsh cobs I have seen, however that does not mean she is not fat but perhaps just that she is no-where near as big as lots of the others!
What class did you enter her in, was it a local show? Could an inexperienced judge have mistaken her for a different breed?
I don't think she does look fat but it may be just because of what we are used to seeing and the view point of a judge that perhaps is used to different horses might be different as they might be expecting to be able to just about see a slight outline of the ribs if going by the WHW weight scoring or if they are used to seeing jumpers or eventers.
It is very hard to tell from a photo though unless she was hugely obese
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Post by sectiondcrazy on May 17, 2011 19:39:18 GMT
I think she looks lovely. I agree she needs a bit more muscle on her back end but that will come with time  good luck with her!! xx |
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Post by hursty100 on May 18, 2011 19:45:45 GMT
Sorry but I would agree with the judge. She is fat. Sorry but that is utter rubbish  I second that! |
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Post by lucretia on May 19, 2011 21:52:05 GMT
If I were judging her I would not think she was at all obese. She looks in lovely condition. Good Luck x
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Post by solitaire on May 22, 2011 18:23:40 GMT
I def would not say she is obese or even fat, lovely condition. Can i ask how she is bred as she looks very like my welsh d mare but she carries much more conditon but is def not fat just lots of muscle and a big front she does have too much tummy at the moment as been box rested for the last 10 weeks due to a cut in her leg but still not fat.
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Post by bud86 on May 22, 2011 18:34:52 GMT
I haven't read any comments, I would say that her neck has become slightly cresty since the 1st pic, not much, but it does tend to give that 'look' of hogged cobs. Be nice to see her from the other side with mane. She's far from obese though! Beautiful girlie  Well dont on your big win 2 weeks ago. I think you have to remember that all judges are different. If I was judging welshies the obese ones would be at the bottom of the line  xx |
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Post by mol123 on May 23, 2011 8:51:20 GMT
she looks to have put a bit of wieght on since the first pic and does look a bit chubby to me for a five year old who should be still filling out, I would be watching her carefully that she doesnt get any bigger with the grass growing quickly now. Not as fat as some I have seen though.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 9:18:38 GMT
I dont think she is the slightest bit obese, for her breed  |
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Post by bouncer on May 23, 2011 13:46:06 GMT
I do think that a judges viewpoint makes all the difference. Last year it was suggested by more than one prominent producer that our sec B could do with a little more weight on him, at the same time an instructor from an eventing background persistently described him as fat and unfit!
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Post by bud86 on May 23, 2011 19:30:43 GMT
I was disgusted yesterday, my friend took her 2 yr old WB coloured to a show. He has had an op on his hock for OCD. So he can't be fed to well. He is looking in top condition for a 2 yr old standing 15.2hh ish, the judge told her he was to immature! He's a 2 yr old for god sake! If I had permission off friend I'd put a pic up!! I really dont like the way of some of their thinking! If a judge tells me my podgy pony (muzzled 23 hours a day on no grass) was trim I'd go nuts!! Dead pony or alive pony!! |
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Post by cathor45 on May 24, 2011 14:44:40 GMT
i'd certainly wouldn't say she is obese but i think she is fine as she is - you certainly don't want her to carry any more condition. However can i just ask something - it may be the camera angle but the top picture was taken two weeks before the second? She looks like she is carrying much more condition in the second picture, so i would be careful if she is putting on weight quickly rather than growing and maturing. This honestly isn't a critisicm, it may just be the angle its taken at. But she's lovely, so well done - just remember every judge has a different opinion and although i think the comment was undeserved in your case, it is good that judges are starting to pull people on fat ponies.
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Post by snowflake on May 24, 2011 20:48:21 GMT
looks fine to me!
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Post by bennylasarche on May 24, 2011 21:41:29 GMT
We show welsh breeds somtimes we win and somtimes we loose,I think somtimes we forget at any show on the day we all pay our entry fee for one persons opinion good or bad if you show you take it on the chin and accept you and the judge may have different views,you may differ in opinions but you have paid for that judges opinion and should and accept it gracefully,I have never been to any show where everyone agrees with the result but thats showing mark it down to experiance and move on we have all been a winner one day and at the end of the line another day ,
So long as you have what you like and take home the best becaues its yours thats what matters
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Post by norwalk on May 25, 2011 0:22:12 GMT
Well I don't agree with gtr either, but she is entitled to her opinion and if she agrees with the judge so be it. I like this mare very much and am splitting straws for points to criticize simply because the poster would like his/her mare up the line in future. You see how opinions differ because when looking for a horse the fact this mare's bum is lower than her withers for me would be a massive plus. It means it will make it far easier for her to sit on it at a later date for more advanced movements. It certainly isn't a weak bum. I brought my mare in tonight and I am ashamed to say she is fatter than yours. Well said! I think she looks a lot lighter than many we seen shown (a lot at top level look like limousin bulls!!!). Does need to mature, back end is lagging behind ( but often takes until 7 or 8 for the natives to organise themselves..). You will do her more favours keeping her at that weight than trying to pile it on at the moment. Would imagine the judge in question perhaps doesn't judge the breed very often (although equally entitled to their opinion and constructive advice as that is what we pay them for!)... Also, difficult from a picture to see distribution of "fat" - sometimes, especially in younger ones you can see pads of fat in different areas (eg, over the kidneys), but overall picture looks lean. Not a judgtmental reply - mine too either look too light or too fat depending on the day. Will reserve comment on my personal BMI...!!!!!!! ;D |
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Post by glanvrynwylisa98 on May 28, 2011 21:12:17 GMT
She is NOT fat. She has muscles in the right places except for her bum. You can get that though by hill work, poles etc. Some people just don't know Welshes. They can give the illusion of being slightly obese when they really aren't. She's pretty. She's chunky. She's what I would expect from a welsh and you should be very happy with her |
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Post by cherylm1 on May 28, 2011 21:19:39 GMT
I think she looks great they ment to be chunky and she is not fat at all keep up your good work she looks fab xx
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Post by Giddie on May 28, 2011 21:35:41 GMT
We show welsh breeds somtimes we win and somtimes we loose,I think somtimes we forget at any show on the day we all pay our entry fee for one persons opinion good or bad if you show you take it on the chin and accept you and the judge may have different views,you may differ in opinions but you have paid for that judges opinion and should and accept it gracefully,I have never been to any show where everyone agrees with the result but thats showing mark it down to experiance and move on we have all been a winner one day and at the end of the line another day , So long as you have what you like and take home the best becaues its yours thats what matters Don't know where the scriber of the above quote came from as the person asking the question wasn't talking about winning or losing she was just surprised at the comments made and was asking for an opinion.. Why is it people always assume the worse when someone is asking a perfectly sensible question.. All l can say is Diane l totally agree with you, and your comment. Blooming hell l am ashamed to say l have Welsh A's almost as big as your D.. |
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Post by honeypot on May 29, 2011 15:28:01 GMT
Well covered any more weight on her and she would be getting a bit big. Went to a show last week and it was scary the amount of fat small ponies there were we are in the south were there is very little grass. For anyone that hasn't seen it this thread is inspiring, www.horsegossip.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=health&action=display&thread=82453 It shows that hard work and exercise give a pony a healthy shape. At 5 if she is going to be a nice ridden I would want her a bit leaner as some one else has said it makes it alot easier to bend etc and would want to be building up muscle. |
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Post by welshiegirl on May 31, 2011 18:11:35 GMT
seen your horse out and about. stunning, perfect weight! xx
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Post by LucyHebditch on May 31, 2011 18:28:19 GMT
Definately not obese, but to me does look like she is carrying more weight in the second picture, not quite filled out enough in the first and would not to put any more on in the second. She is on the fine line of perfect in both pictures! She is lovely, well done with her |
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Post by amanda on May 31, 2011 23:10:39 GMT
wouldnt let her get much bigger! looks ok but from photo neck and shoulder look to be starting to carry weight! my opinion only :}
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Post by aimeelew on Jun 15, 2011 9:24:59 GMT
She looks fab! some of the ponies you see these days have fat pouches all over them which is disgusting and unhealthy - I love her, if anything she could gain a little xx
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 15, 2011 14:50:29 GMT
Id put up a picof my new A but i'll get shouted at lol, bullock isnt the word!!!! Iv been told thats how the welsh judges like them!!!!
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Post by hj49 on Jun 15, 2011 15:12:31 GMT
she is not obese she has enough on her! wouldnt want any less either
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Post by Wishiwasrich on Jun 15, 2011 15:45:33 GMT
No way is she fat comared with many that you see out showing. xxx
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Post by erminstrudel on Aug 3, 2011 20:36:16 GMT
Looks spot on to me! Certainly nowhere near as big as a lot of the welshies I come across in the show ring. At 5 years old I wouldn't be expecting to see much in the way of topline or quarters yet - if you've got those it's through overfeeding or over working. She's got a lovely deep girth - which is possibly what some are mistaking for a porky belly. I think people get a little too obsessed with creases on the crest too. Soft creases aren't too muchof an issue - if the crest is hard, then you are heading for a problem. My highland always has creases in her neck, however we are often marked down for her not carrying enough 'condition' (by some slightly more old-fashioned judges). This is because she's fit! Something many show judges are not used to seeing. We regularly do 30km + rides. She's gaining grade 1 results for endurance & her fitness level outstrips even some of the eventers on our yard. I can feel her ribs, her back end is solid muscle, she has well defined shoulders but still carries fat on her crest & her flanks - that's just how nature has designed these ponies. My 'cresty' pony out on a 32km endurance  |
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Post by m@m on Aug 4, 2011 21:04:11 GMT
just right, definately not fat
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good luck with her!!
Well dont on your big win 2 weeks ago. I think you have to remember that all judges are different. If I was judging welshies the obese ones would be at the bottom of the line 
