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Post by Constance on Jun 3, 2008 18:30:07 GMT
The finest competition there is Has put Horse Gossipers in a tizz The decision has to be seen as fair Even if it causes some to sware The rule according to the rulebook with which we are all provided Has left plenty competitors and NPS members divided The Lady who wrote the rule Is the judge concerned and certainly not a fool The child Rider did not have her card in the ring At that small fact is the thing We all have to address If we are to treat the Rules with dignified fairness We know that the year before a smaller girl carrying her card From the final was also barred The judge and all connected to her pony Were ridiculed on this forum by all and sundry To make it worse the judge was banned
In order to keep the competition smart The Chairman had to do what was right And correct what happened on Windosr night The fault lies in the judge's hand She wrote the rule so it has to stand! So Horse Gossipers be warned you must play clean Read the written Rules and you may achieve your dream.
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Post by Another view on Jun 8, 2008 20:40:57 GMT
Does anyone know why people are threatening legal action against the NPS? We all have rule books and ours clearly staes that the Rider must have the card. As much a it would be great for the girl to be given back the Olympia qualification no show or society can allow parents and friends to run into the ring as it's a Health & Safety issue. Also as much as we like the people concerned we must ask ourselves if it had been another person or child would people on this site have given them equal support? Be honest - we wouldn't have. You only need to look at the South of England thread to see how nasty and spiteful people can be on here and how selective the moderators are in what they choose to remove. Connie's team would no doubt also agree with this. The other view is that if the NPS have to spend out on legal fees to defend their rules for one pony because someone is selfish enough to take action outside the society then ALL of its members will be worse off. It would be terribly selfish action to take. The NPS is not a wealthy society but a charity and a stud book. The Olympia competitors are but a small proportion of the membership. The child is lucky as she has been to Olympia twice before. For a qualification to be void is the most dreadful predicamant but that child - like many others in many societies who also use cards - has learned the lesson the hard way. She will never forget to check for her card again. Rules cannot be subject to a sympathy vote they are there to be adhered to.
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Post by ferret on Jun 8, 2008 21:33:04 GMT
[quote author=Another view board=results thread=8441 post=100709 time=121295765 You only need to look at the South of England thread to see how nasty and spiteful people can be on here and how selective the moderators are in what they choose to remove. Connie's team would no doubt also agree with this. [/quote] as mods it is very hard to decide where to draw the line ...do we allow you to discuss /or think about the feelings of the person you are discussing ? ...luckily most of the time Horse Gossipers help us out and PM us to remove certain posts and threads . So please remember that alot of what is removed is because of a private mail asking us to remove a post/ thread ... no favours are done
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2008 21:42:07 GMT
Just to back up what ferret has posted. We have a policy of leaving everything posted as long as possible regardless who has posted it. If we don’t get a complaint then we don’t remove it unless it breaks the rules we have for the site. Therefore 99% of posts that are removed or modified have been done so by request. Hope that clarifies the position of the mods on this site.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 8, 2008 21:43:02 GMT
to elaborate on ferret's comments, I would add that in most cases posts are removed at the request of other members. Our rules clearly state we will delete posts if so requested to do. If that makes us selective, then so be it!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 8, 2008 21:50:20 GMT
Absolutely, we understand that feelings sometimes run high and try to let people have a voice on here. But if requested, we will remove posts, in accordance with the rules, and regardless of our personal feelings on the matter. So if you see something on here which is objectionable, offensive or just untrue, you need to let us know!
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Post by Another view on Jun 9, 2008 6:05:04 GMT
Then why have you allowed people on the South of England site to say so many unkind words about a very hard workign young producer who lives for her ponies. Yes, it has also aroused support for her but it is the most wicked form of bullying and bullying is a form of abuse.
Whilst on the subject of South of England Show if anyone is in contact with the organisers please can they advise that classes using marks need stewards who are used to using them. It was obvious across the three days that not all were comfortable in this situation. Some of the stewards were very experienced but a few by Saturday, especially the more elderly ones, looked weary and unsure. As a competitor this is a concern as we know stewards have so much responsibility now and we are very thankful to judges who double check marks for us.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 9, 2008 6:52:08 GMT
With regard to South of England, I did post on the thread asking people to stay on topic. It was felt that both sides of the argument were being put across, and since neither the person in question or their connections have been in touch to request it's removal, it was allowed to run.
At the end of the day, most people can see sour grapes for what it is, and if I had a pony I wanted qualifying, I would now know a person with a very successful show record who I'd like to produce it!
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Post by Another view on Jun 9, 2008 7:40:09 GMT
Surely you must be aware that some people purposefully do not view this forum because of the hurt and upset it can cause them. This is not the first time you have all alowed this to happen.Your attitude towards leaving spiteful comments against some and not others begs belief. Do you really think it is clever to allow a thread to speak badly of indivuals unless the individual concerned complains? If so the moderators on this site appear to many to be of poor character.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 9, 2008 7:48:26 GMT
All I can say is, if anyone is hurt or upset by something they see on here, contact me by PM and I will do my best to help you, as I always try to do.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 9, 2008 8:45:59 GMT
Your attitude towards leaving spiteful comments against some and not others begs belief. That's simply not true - we don't just delete comments randomly. As already stated, if a member requests us to delete comments, then we do. If however no such request is made, then we leave the situation to run. If a member PMs us and asks for the comments referred to, to be deleted, then that will happen. What we don't want to do is over-police the site and make these decisions without a member's request. Otherwise we will have the show societies complaining that we allow comments to be made about them, but not about individuals - we do promote freedom of speech on here. Having been slated on here myself, sometimes it is better to leave the comments on and be happy to see the response of those who stick up for you. If the comments are being made on here, then you can guarantee they are being said at the side of the show ring, and at least on here you can come on and have your say as well.
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2008 11:59:39 GMT
Surely you must be aware that some people purposefully do not view this forum because of the hurt and upset it can cause them. This is not the first time you have all alowed this to happen.Your attitude towards leaving spiteful comments against some and not others begs belief. Do you really think it is clever to allow a thread to speak badly of indivuals unless the individual concerned complains? If so the moderators on this site appear to many to be of poor character. Have you ever watched the news or picked up a newspaper or ever discussed a situation or happening with another person? If so then that is real life. This site not may not be as high a profile as that but again it is real life with real life discussions and real life views off people. Some good, some bad but either way their own opinions. Would you rather no one have a view or be allowed one.? If that is the case then maybe your life style may be suited better to a communist state. Just a thought.
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Post by Another View on Jun 9, 2008 12:45:53 GMT
You miss the point. The Horse Gossip moderators are openluy selective and look to support spite, bullying and abuse.. I'm sure we could all give examples.
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Post by ferret on Jun 9, 2008 13:35:21 GMT
i dont take kindly to being accused of poor character , or worse . Maybe us mods could take a holiday from the site and see what happens then with all the spiteful comments Or maybe if you became a member on this site instead of posting as a guest , you could apply to be a mod and see if you can do a better job
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 9, 2008 13:39:54 GMT
I remember only recently I got an absolute slating for stepping in to protect a child's feelings. I was accused of all sorts of things, none of which were true. So now I just think, if I do the right thing, and my conscience is clear, people like 'another view' can think what they like about me. The regular members of this site and the people who know me are more than capable of forming their own views as to my character. And they are the people who matter.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 9, 2008 13:45:06 GMT
You miss the point. The Horse Gossip moderators are openluy selective and look to support spite, bullying and abuse.. I'm sure we could all give examples. Please do. As mere humans, we are open to constructive criticism and if there are instances where we have been seen to bully or support spite, then these should be highlighted. I hope you are not suggesting that we do not delete comments because we agree with them, as that is simply not true. We often delete comments that we would like to leave on, but because we have agreed to remove posts on request we always stick to that.
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2008 14:33:08 GMT
You miss the point. The Horse Gossip moderators are openluy selective and look to support spite, bullying and abuse.. I'm sure we could all give examples. “Another view” I am sorry that you see it that way. I don’t necessarily agree with you but you are none the less entitled to your opinion and as long as it comes within the site rules you are welcome to air your opinion. It does not seem by reading this thread that many are in support of your views.
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Post by shelleyj on Jun 9, 2008 15:19:12 GMT
Hi mods you're doing a good job
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Post by Olympia Fan on Jun 9, 2008 16:23:46 GMT
Have to say I agree with Another View's opinion on the Olympia shambles, some of the stewards at South of England and moderators comments. Crass and crap things have been said about people on this site and left up for ages for all to see. What happens if people don't use the site, are on holiday, etc? The Mods do quite a good job but yes, they could also be fairer. Sorry guys pull your socks up
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 9, 2008 17:10:05 GMT
Have to say I agree with Another View's opinion on the Olympia shambles, some of the stewards at South of England and moderators comments. Crass and crap things have been said about people on this site and left up for ages for all to see. What happens if people don't use the site, are on holiday, etc? The Mods do quite a good job but yes, they could also be fairer. Sorry guys pull your socks up What happens if Mods go on holiday? Or aren't we allowed to have a life? The mods do this job to the best of their ability, and give freely of the time they have to spare, however they also have work commitments, ponies and families! And I'm sorry, but for every person that wants a post removed, there is another one who is angry at having their opinion censored. It's what's commonly known as being in between a rock and a hard place! As previously said, anyone who thinks they can do a better job is welcome to PM the mod team and put themselves forward for a moderator position. I won't hold my breath.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 9, 2008 21:34:29 GMT
Crass and crap things have been said about people on this site and left up for ages for all to see. What happens if people don't use the site, are on holiday, etc? The Mods do quite a good job but yes, they could also be fairer. Sorry guys pull your socks up We've already said we delete posts when requested to do so. We can't help it is something is said about someone who happens to be on holiday - if that is the case, then another member can PM us to ask for removal of a post. It's not always the person being talked about who asks for removal. If we start making decisions on what to leave and what to remove, then we will be guilty of exactly what we are being accused off just now. As it is, we let the members police the site themselves by giving them the opportunity to let us know when things need edited or deleted.
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Post by fair play on Jun 11, 2008 7:53:15 GMT
Maybe constance should go back and read the rules regarding competition record cards. The rules have changed completely. Only those who are in the ring under certain circumstances know the pressure a judge is put under. The rules are made by the nps council not one individual.
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Post by Another View on Jun 11, 2008 17:28:28 GMT
Have to agree with Constance here as it looks to be quoted from the 2008 NPS Rule Book - see NPS Baileys Horse Feeds page which we were all sent in the Spring. Have you received an amended version or are you making Rules up as you go along. My son has read it aloud to me to confirm my reading glasses haven't let me down. Surely all ideas originate from one mouth before being voted on by the NPS Council?
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Post by fair play on Jun 11, 2008 18:56:37 GMT
If only that were true, you have no idea the interference of people who wish to make a name for themselves. Take the new Olympia Rules as an example.
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Post by Not sure on Jun 11, 2008 19:24:30 GMT
If only that were true, you have no idea the interference of people who wish to make a name for themselves. Take the new Olympia Rules as an example. That last post is a bit contradictory "fair play" if you read your previous post. Mmmm maybe you are not quite sure what you mean or what you are trying to say.?
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Post by Another view on Jun 12, 2008 17:13:30 GMT
At least Dancer sees the point.
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Post by Rule Book Quote on Jun 22, 2008 22:02:35 GMT
Quote from the 2008 Official list of Judges & Rules
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"First and second placed ponies compete for the Championship when the Champion pony on:
a] Presentation of the qualifying rosette, then b] Provided the Adult/Showing Membership card is produced by the rider, in the Ring, will be deemed to go forward to the final at Olympia in December"
For another person to enter the ring is a Health & Safety issue As previously said it is a tragic situation but Rules are Rules.
If it had been someone the judge wasn't so keen on the pony without the card would've been dismissed and the Reserve on production of their card would've been passed the qualification. This would've been the correct thing to do at Windsor but the Reserve wasn't even provided with the opportunity to so.
All those commenting on the Waitwith Connie site are being very selfish and need to read their Rule books.
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Post by Waitwith Connie The Issue on Jun 23, 2008 7:45:33 GMT
Come on Waitwith Connie threaders READ YOU RULE BOOK & USE YOUR HEADS.The rules were broken - according to the doctrine of the Rule Book
You cannot have people running in the Ring
The NPS Council is obliged to stand by it's Rules - otherwise it will be seen as breaking them itself
Competitions can't be won on a "penalty shoot out" sympathy vote
Judges have to act by the Rule Book or face disciplinary procedures - haven't they been criticised on here many times before
However The child need NOT have changed her jacket - Navy coats are correct dress for Royal Shows - It shows respect for the event
People shouldn't be pressurised
Council members should lead by example
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Post by absent on Jun 23, 2008 16:42:29 GMT
Most of you were not there so how do you know there was a health & safety issue? I was told nobody entered the ring.
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Post by minded on Jun 23, 2008 18:58:23 GMT
If no-one entered the ring how did the card get to the judge when the Rider hadn't got it in her pocket? Fairies???!!!
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