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Post by shannon22 on Aug 4, 2011 16:37:06 GMT
Ok, I know this happens alot but I hate it when you ring up about a a horse and they tell you its absolutely brilliant, great for jumping, has 3 fantastic paces, works in an outline and is totally bombproof ect... you travel miles to see it and it ends up being a totally different horse than what they described! E.g. It refuses, spooks at everything it see's even its own shadow, stiff and when you ask it to work in an outline it protests and fights you  I know they are trying to sell it but why be dishonest and let you travel all that way and waste your time as well as there own when its not the right horse! Just wish people would just tell the truth about how there horses are... although I don't mind if they are a little nervous as it is a new rider on there back. Anyone had the same thing happen to them?  Rant over  |
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Post by sageandonion on Aug 4, 2011 17:31:21 GMT
Never, I always look up results and see a video first.
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Post by Milliesmum on Aug 4, 2011 18:14:26 GMT
I think the oldest trick in the book is 'Oh, that one sold this morning, but since you're here, I have this one for sale, would you like to have a look?'. Of course the perfect, within budget, paragon of virtue in the original advert never even existed! I know someone who bought a horse in these circumstances, turned out it had navicular.
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Post by chorro on Aug 5, 2011 0:06:08 GMT
I also think people can be a bit blind when it comes to their horses, myself included. By that I mean some one who told me their horse had a perfect confirmation when it was ewe necked and cow hocked, great length of rein and you are practically sitting on its head, great condition = hughly obese. Also sometimes people over estimate a horses worth I had a lady tell me her part tb 4year old who was barely backed was worth £10,000 it was a nice pony but not outstanding and it had behavioural problems, it reared and struck out at people, charged people in the field and nipped when being led and constantly threw its head around.
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Post by buriedalive on Aug 5, 2011 0:16:34 GMT
Mine was bombproof, great to load, shoe and with the vet and to clip. Turns out he doesn't like the farrier, is hard to load and isn't bombproof! Good to clip is also totally inaccurate as he hates clippers. He had also been abused, wouldn't let anyone touch his head but there were no physical signs of this. Nearly 2 years on, I have his trust, I can now touch his head and do most things and he is overcoming his box problems and farrier problems. If I had known his issues before, I would still have bought him but I just wish I had been told truthfully.
I think those who lie about their horses for sale, can't really care much. I know if I sold one I would be as truthful as possible to ensure the horse got the best and most suitable and loving home possible.
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Post by chorro on Aug 5, 2011 0:25:50 GMT
You are so right buriedalive, I couldn't tell you if mine is good to clip because I've never clipped her but if I ever sold her I would want to be as honest as possible to find her the best home. My mare is actually a genuine little horse 'despite' being an Arab  exceptionally well bred but possibly not the greatest example, though I don't want to admit that as she is perfect to me |
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Post by shannon22 on Aug 5, 2011 9:16:17 GMT
I totally agree, its best to be honest to find a horse the right home. Went to view one a couple of days ago, they said it was bombproof on roads not spooky at all. Also they said it had no vices what so ever and was in great condition. Went up to have a look it wasn't the height they said... it was about 14.2hh when they said it was 15.3hh, it was very very spooky and tried to bomb past a plastic bag on the floor. It was also skin and bone, you could clearly see its rib cage it was that under weight. And to top it all off it windsucked, just wish people would be more honest instead of making you travel all that way to see a horse that isn't what they described. They also asked for a silly price... £4500 just because it was palomino and said it was worth it  I hope i will find the right horse soon |
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Post by sageandonion on Aug 5, 2011 13:09:05 GMT
Could you not tell at least some of these things from the photos/video? Even if a horse is ridden in a menage, you can get an idea of its temperament ridden and whether it is a spooky sort. If you look up competition records, it won't have done great if it sees monsters everywhere. A 14.2 is distinguishable from a horse in a video or a photo, look at the fence in comparison to the horse and ask the height of the rider.
I think you just need to learn by the negative experience and takes steps to ensure you don't repeat by asking more pertinent questions and obtaining evidence before you leave your chair at home.
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Post by shannon22 on Aug 5, 2011 15:24:32 GMT
There was no videos to look at so i couldn't tell if it was spooky. They said they where having troubles uploading a video onto the advert, plus the ridden photo's where not very clear. But they assured me it was safe. Ah well gonna be a lot more careful next time  |
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Post by sageandonion on Aug 5, 2011 15:59:52 GMT
Exactly. Next time just politely say you will await a clear video and don't budge an inch until you get one. It is so easy for people to prepare these things these days, they must be prepared to do it. If not, immediate doubts I think. £4,500 is a decent amount to pay after all.
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Post by amanda on Aug 5, 2011 22:45:10 GMT
im sorry would not sell my pony off a video if you are interested come and see!! if you think its the right pony travel !!! or do not enquire and waste peoples time!! videos are subjective and can be edited!!! if you arent prepared to travel dont enquire!!
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Post by armada on Aug 5, 2011 23:11:21 GMT
im sorry would not sell my pony off a video if you are interested come and see!! if you think its the right pony travel !!! or do not enquire and waste peoples time!! videos are subjective and can be edited!!! if you arent prepared to travel dont enquire!! Pretty much agree with that, I cant do video, but it does'nt mean I am not honest or my horse neither, but I will describe them as they are, green, needs work, can it do the job you want? Yes it can if you are as capable as you make out, and that to me is the crux of the matter - theres a lot of talkers out there, but very few do'ers. I know, i've been in the job 35 yrs and my family before me for over 100yrs. I've never in 20 yrs bought one off a video, bought a few unseen, but thats gut instinct, dont make the seller lucky or me a chancer. Get your butt down there and in the saddle, any decent rider can make a duffer look good on a video the proof is what you feel and how you get the animal to perform to your satisfaction on the day. |
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Post by sarahp on Aug 6, 2011 6:40:21 GMT
While I do basically agree with that, a video (although I've never bought one from one either) could rule one out for the buyer, which could save both parties time and trouble. But then go and see it if it looks as if it might fit the bill - particularly if a ridden - there's no substitute for seeing it in the flesh.
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Post by shannon22 on Aug 6, 2011 12:59:15 GMT
I do agree that you cant tell off a video. You have to go and see for yourself, but sellers should not waste your time telling you a horse is something that its not... especially the height lol!
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Post by aimeelew on Aug 8, 2011 11:54:52 GMT
Many moons ago I went to see a ''fabulous sec d, very well mannered, good family pony but also would make it in the show-ring'' it through the poor girl off and then stomped on her! They apologised and pulled out this sec c mare, scraggy, been used on the school wouldnt canter on right lead, all the usual bad schooling faults - bought her and went on to be a fabulous show hunter pony! Sometimes I think its fate! |
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Post by princessalysx on Aug 8, 2011 14:34:17 GMT
I once went to see a Highland colt foal, we had stressed that we wanted something Hoys quality, and she assured us it was. We drove over 3 hours to see him, and when they brought him out he was lame and extremely cow hocked! Gutted. She had sent photos and he looked gorgeous, unfortunately we hadn't received a photo of him from behind!
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Post by shannon22 on Aug 8, 2011 16:33:22 GMT
That's a very long drive to find out its not what it says. What a shame  Luckily I have never drove any further than 2 hours to see a horse. |
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Post by wildnative on Sept 16, 2011 19:44:41 GMT
I don't think i would ever buy a horse from a video. I feel it's best to see thenm "in the flesh". Saying that, I bought my New Forest filly from photos ! Saw the pics, agreed to buy her, then travelled from Edinburgh area to beyond Southampton to meet her in person, speak to her breeder and pay for her. So, I travelled around a 1000 mile round trip to buy a pony just from seeing her photo. She is stunning and is an absolute angel . The other day, I saw photos of a Welsh D 4yo, contacted the seller, checked out the pony's breeding then agreed to buy her, again, JUST from a couple of photos ! I'm off up to Aberdeen next Thursday to pay for her and bring her home. So that's around a 300 mile round trip to buy her. I'll have bought 2 ponies in 4 months, from opposite ends of the country, a total distance of 1300 miles, based on seeing a photo of them. |
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Post by hatman on Sept 18, 2011 9:23:15 GMT
Ive been lucky as both my 2 ponies i have bought and sold from word of mouth
I did go with my friend to see a horse for eventing they said it hack alone and was well schooled. It napped going from the stable to the field it was turned out in every day and was not going to go out the gate. Dont think it would have gone x country. Luckily it was not to far away. They went to the opposition stud and found the perfect horse so all ended well.
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Post by FF on Sept 18, 2011 10:12:16 GMT
I think videos are useful in an advert. It helps decide if you like the basics. I wouldn't buy from a video but it helps you to see if you should spend time travelling to view it in the flesh or not.
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Post by nj on Sept 18, 2011 11:38:31 GMT
We travelled 6hrs to see our 14.2 SP, the ad stated that he was not a novice ride, but a gentleman, we thought right we will go. did the 6hr drive and he was a dream, the girl who owned him told us everything about his quirks!! he disliked green wheely bins, and there was no point riding him when it was bin day. She was very truthfull about everything.
We did another 12hr drive there and back to get him. And up to this day, everything the girl said is true, except for the wheely bins!!! he doesn't bat an eye lid when he goes past them!!! We were lucky and love him to bits.
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Post by smudge99 on Sept 19, 2011 13:09:24 GMT
I agree with FF, I would never buy from a video but you can get the basics to decide if you want to go and look at it.
When I sold my daughters pony I took 3 videos, 1 of her conformation with no rider, 1 of her doing flat work and 1 jumping round a course. I sent it out to 8 people on the first day of her advert going on PC site and she sold to the first person who came to look at her.
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Post by horsesmakemehappy on Sept 20, 2011 1:27:49 GMT
I went to see a pony the other day a 13hh welsh lovely looking little thing the lady said he had been backed was very quite, bombproof would be brilliant with kids etc, poor little bugger had clearly been knocked about he was so nervous and head shy and jittery wouldn't let me near his back and looked extremely unhappy and uncomfortable been tacked. I wanted to buy him just to get him out of there but she was asking way too much and I had to be sensible as it was for my kids so no way suitable. But also whilst there I noticed the horses where knee deep in there own muck all very nervy, one horse had a large deep open cut across it's head that clearly had been there a while but not seen to, I don't know whether to get RSPCA involved?
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Post by rhosyn on Sept 20, 2011 9:21:05 GMT
It's hard to tell if a pony/horse has truly good paces just off a photo. Depends on distance really, if it were more than an hour or so's drive I'd want to see a video, definitely.
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Post by mirosa on Sept 28, 2011 20:00:34 GMT
Perhaps if the horse / pony you're after buying is a serious distance away it would be worth paying for a reputable independant person to go & look first. Has to be cheaper.
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Post by proudwilliam on Sept 28, 2011 20:37:31 GMT
I flew to Ireland to see a show hunter and within 30 seconds or so we saw it's curb!! Oh it will go was the quote.
Expensive trip.!
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Post by Julie(luke3) on Sept 28, 2011 21:50:21 GMT
I do agree that you cant tell off a video. You have to go and see for yourself, but sellers should not waste your time telling you a horse is something that its not... especially the height lol! I learnt about this when I went looking for a welsh/tb at the cob sales! What was meant to be 16hh turned out to be around 14.2hh!!! I ended up buying a pure Sec D at 16hh! Who is now around 16.2hh ;D |
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Post by watchbank on Oct 24, 2011 6:15:26 GMT
Oh gosh im on the hunt for a larger section d and its been such a struggle i am not looking forward to this part!
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Post by mushypeas on Oct 24, 2011 20:28:26 GMT
Urgh I thought the trend for leggy Ds was coming to an end. I like a nice compact 14.2hh ish D. Leg in each corner how they should be. Not a stretched out version.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 26, 2011 6:39:13 GMT
Not all tall Ds are leggy, there are some beautiful, deep bodied ones about. We all have our preferences, but as long as one is true to the breed standard it doesn't matter what height it is, there is no height limit.
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I know they are trying to sell it but why be dishonest and let you travel all that way and waste your time as well as there own when its not the right horse! Just wish people would just tell the truth about how there horses are... although I don't mind if they are a little nervous as it is a new rider on there back. Anyone had the same thing happen to them? 
exceptionally well bred but possibly not the greatest example, though I don't want to admit that as she is perfect to me 
I hope i will find the right horse soon 
Luckily I have never drove any further than 2 hours to see a horse.
