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Post by abby3 on Aug 21, 2011 18:55:41 GMT
I have a sausage dog whos absolutely gorgeous. His a very true type but has no papers, l thought about putting him up for stud but have no idea on stud fee or even how to make him perform...! He seems to want to hump everything else lol! His 9 months old
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 21, 2011 18:58:18 GMT
Serious breeders will only use registered dogs so that they are able to register the puppies,also 9 months old is too young really  |
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 22, 2011 18:37:06 GMT
goodness.. wait till he is at least 2....puppy's do hump everything in sight, its quite normal.
as BR said.. no papers.... hmmmmm.. some will want him, but to be fair, most breeders want them registered.
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Post by JaysMum on Aug 22, 2011 19:29:07 GMT
why breed him at all? so many unwanted in the shelters and homes looking for people to love them... fair enough if you are a breeder and do things right, but if pup bought for a pet.. let him be a pet. |
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Post by xxshowponyxx on Aug 22, 2011 19:53:14 GMT
I have bred and shown dogs for many years and nothing dissapoints me more than this. If you were sold a pet quality puppy without papers it was because the breeder (hopefully with their considerable knowledge of the breed) decided he was NOT a good enough example of the breed to show or breed from, and the price would have been reduced because of this.
The fact that you believe at 9 months he is old enough to stand at stud proves your lack of knowledge in the dog scene. Please - have your boy castrated and give him a great life as your beloved pet.
Serious breeders with quality bit*hes would never consider using an unregistered dog anyway.
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Post by JaysMum on Aug 22, 2011 20:55:10 GMT
a little off topic... but how old is a bit*h when she's ready to breed? someone i know bred her girlie who is just a year old... she's had 5 pups and im really sorry to say she was bred so she could get money to go on holiday with........ 5 pups, both dogs unregistered, £300 a pup  |
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Post by Philippa on Aug 22, 2011 21:24:04 GMT
I have bred and shown dogs for many years and nothing dissapoints me more than this. If you were sold a pet quality puppy without papers it was because the breeder (hopefully with their considerable knowledge of the breed) decided he was NOT a good enough example of the breed to show or breed from, and the price would have been reduced because of this. The fact that you believe at 9 months he is old enough to stand at stud proves your lack of knowledge in the dog scene. Please - have your boy castrated and give him a great life as your beloved pet. Serious breeders with quality bit*hes would never consider using an unregistered dog anyway. Well said. Totally agree. It infuriates me as does crossbreeding. We breed to better our show stock. Not for profit. |
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Post by Philippa on Aug 22, 2011 21:27:09 GMT
a little off topic... but how old is a bit*h when she's ready to breed? someone i know bred her girlie who is just a year old... she's had 5 pups and im really sorry to say she was bred so she could get money to go on holiday with........ 5 pups, both dogs unregistered, £300 a pup This makes me sick but if people keep buying people like this will keep exploiting their poor dog. I have pugs and the pug people say breed at 18 months as the pelvis is still soft and the heads are less likely to get stuck. However I prefer my girls to be at least 2 yrs old before they breed. My min pin was 3 and my pugs will be 2 1/2 & 3 1/2 when I mate them in January. |
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Post by Milliesmum on Aug 22, 2011 21:37:30 GMT
Why not cross your pug with something with a smaller head? Then they won't get stuck??
Is it not exploiting your pug having pure bred puppies that are so extremely bred she will struggle to deliver? And the 'large round head' is part of the breed standard?
You say you don't breed for profit, do you keep all your puppies? Or do you give the ones you can't keep away for free?
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 23, 2011 18:10:15 GMT
Lets be fare....I am also an accredited breeder, and you do make a profit on a good sized litter if you dont take into account your time.
MM, I think phillipa was trying to say she didn't breed for the intentions of making money, but to better the breed and probably keep one for herself to show etc..
this is purely the reason why I have litters, and yes I made a profit. however, if you took out the time involved in looking after them, then I think my hourly rate was £3.
going back to Jaysmums question. It all depends on the breed. I personally don't breed until they are 4.
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Post by Milliesmum on Aug 23, 2011 18:46:46 GMT
I understand where you're coming from Dazy, but when a breeder is breeding pedigree dogs knowing a b!tch is going to have problems delivering, from a breed that is notorious for eye problems and injuries purely from the way they have been bred, but they have a nice piece of paper from the kennel club so that's OK then? And when same person is saying crossbreeding 'makes them sick', when actually there's a market for non pedigree family pets which are healthier than their pure bred counterparts, I'm sorry but double standards comes to mind.
When someone wants to 'improve their stock', does that not mean trying to breed the perfect example according to the breed standard? And doesn't that mean more exaggerated features that cause all the health problems in the first place?
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Post by padon on Aug 23, 2011 19:46:47 GMT
Its a Dachshund- not a sausage dog  Im curious to know how he has no KC papers?. This is a very specialised breed and really best left to those who know what they are doing - Im not being patronising. Maybe you could go back to the breeder and get some advice from them?. If you are serious about breeding Dachshunds I could put you in contact with a friend who has been breeding for over 50 years. Despite their size the breed is a big dog on short legs, a litter of these and you really do have a full time job!!. From my very limited knowledge of the breed he is still a pup, and will be for some time to come. My Cousin purchased a Labradoodle, against my advice for £700 - the Labrador sire wasnt hip scored- and the Dam a Standard Poodle wasnt tested for PRA. The result 18 months down the line a poor dog that is weak in its hindquaters and crashing into furniture, it has vey poor sight... Crossing breeds is no "safer" if the parents have faults and abnormalities. |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 23, 2011 19:50:02 GMT
Im guessing the Dachshund has no papers as maybe the breeder endorsed them as it was only of pet standard rather than breeding standard
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Post by pittybeck on Aug 23, 2011 19:50:00 GMT
Hi i am a fully registered Dachshund breeder (also known as weeners at home) I do not breed with my girls untill there last season before turning 3, as they are mini, when a pup is ready to go to its new home they are insured via the ken/club have a puppy pack, first injection and a Dashshund five generation pedigree certificate, as for letting your boy breed at such a young age could cause him back problems (as you need to lift him off the bit*hes back during) which takes time and skill at such a delicate moment as this also protects the bit*h from back injury, if he were mine i would let him mature (2yrs appr).
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Post by JaysMum on Aug 26, 2011 14:00:50 GMT
Perhaps dog does have papers but as breeder didnt want dog to be a stud (thus keeping for themselves or passing to another breeder) kept the papers for themselves so any future owner could not breed from him (or make it harder for them to breed from him..) in any case if the breeder thought pup to be a pet rather than a stud, maybe the breeder should neuter puppy before it is re-homed?
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Post by B_31 on Aug 26, 2011 14:16:21 GMT
OP - simple answer - get your dog castrated....
problem solved for breeding and for humping!
I am the owner of an accidental crossbred dog - who has elbow displasia and a dodgy back leg - her mum was just 12 months old - it was not planned
My pure bred KC dogs - one had a stroke - the other had back problems again - except they were tested.
Its a bit of a risk breeding anyhow - but more so without any healthy tests and purebred dogs/papers..!!
get him castrated.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 26, 2011 17:28:15 GMT
Our delightful mistake - not ours - has a dodgy hip.
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 28, 2011 18:58:24 GMT
Its a Dachshund- not a sausage dog Im curious to know how he has no KC papers?. This is a very specialised breed and really best left to those who know what they are doing - well, a friend bought a mini pup from what she thought was a reputable breeder.. paid £800 4 years ago, was promised the papers and never got them.. We investigated and the breeder said she didnt even know which bit*h we were discussing who had the litter... needless to say I reported her to the KC.. |
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 28, 2011 18:59:34 GMT
I understand where you're coming from Dazy, but when a breeder is breeding pedigree dogs knowing a b!tch is going to have problems delivering, from a breed that is notorious for eye problems and injuries purely from the way they have been bred, but they have a nice piece of paper from the kennel club so that's OK then? And when same person is saying crossbreeding 'makes them sick', when actually there's a market for non pedigree family pets which are healthier than their pure bred counterparts, I'm sorry but double standards comes to mind. When someone wants to 'improve their stock', does that not mean trying to breed the perfect example according to the breed standard? And doesn't that mean more exaggerated features that cause all the health problems in the first place? I know where you are coming from.... and you should never breed from poor quality stock. breed standards dont always mean they are perfect.... |
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 28, 2011 21:23:54 GMT
I can't understand why people who breed cross bred horses/ponies get so haughty about people breeding crossbred(for a purpose and from health checked parents) dogs! What is the difference? Not everyone wants to a dog to "improve the breed" they want a pet to meet specific requirements, their dog is their pet(family member) not a part of their "stock"!
As for the OP I think, with respect, she should not be breeding dog's either with or without papers until she has more knowledge of dog breeding in general.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 29, 2011 5:54:55 GMT
Well for one thing you know exactly what to expect from a purebred, so you could choose the breed to fit your "specific requirements", but crossbreds are unpredictable in which characteristics of each parent they could display.
We were lucky with ours, she has the best of both but could easily have had the worst from both sides. She has the intelligence and obedience of the collie without their "hyper" nature, rather more sighthound laidbackness - but imagine if she'd had the chase instinct and lack of brain of the sighthound (we also have a saluki, so do know about this one!) with the hyperness of a collie? Her father was a travellers' saluki lurcher.
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 29, 2011 11:58:22 GMT
Same could be said for crossbred horses/ponies! I chose my crossbred(labradoodle) to fit my specific requirements and she has done so perfectly. Poodle characteristics, with a lower maintenance coat and slightly smaller than the standard poodle but larger than the miniature. Can't think of a pure bred anything which would fit the bill.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 29, 2011 16:13:04 GMT
Agreed about crossbred horses and ponies as well as dogs - and as an example can cite two full siblings I bred that were AES x Welsh D. One made very nearly 16hh, the other 14.2hh - I rest my case. KJM - what if the one you got had behaviour like a labrador and a coat like a poodle?
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 29, 2011 16:47:45 GMT
In that case SarahP I wouldn't have bought her!! Incidently I have had 3 standard poodles and although they looked alike 2 of them could not have been more different temperament wise so I also rest my case re the pure breds also, you cannot guarantee what you will get. I have also had full sibling sec B's of 12 & 13hands, quite a difference in a small pony. My point re comparing horses and dogs was that some people happily cross breed horses but get on their high horse(pardon the pun) if people do the same with dogs when really it is no different.
Double standards springs to mind!!
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Post by sarahp on Aug 29, 2011 17:21:12 GMT
I bet all your poodles were very different from say a JR though.
With equines, you don't get as much difference between breeds as in dogs, as they are all basically bred to be useful so selection for practical qualities has always been around to some extent.
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 29, 2011 17:44:19 GMT
I bet all your poodles were very different from say a JR though. quote] What a strange comparison, of course they were as is my labradoodle, or should I say first cross poodle/labrador? |
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 29, 2011 18:17:49 GMT
dont you think though that temperament is "made" by good knowledgeable owners... Of course you have your "breeds" that are renown for being on the aggressive/unpredictable side, but I do think that brought up correctly most dogs are OK... as the old saying goes.. no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners...
All my reds have very different characters, although in essence, similar in disposition
I couldn't give a fig if its cross bred or pure bred as long as its loved...
going back to the OP, should breed without knowing its back ground and that goes for X breds and pure breds..
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 29, 2011 18:26:19 GMT
dont you think though that temperament is "made" by good knowledgeable owners... Of course you have your "breeds" that are renown for being on the aggressive/unpredictable side, but I do think that brought up correctly most dogs are OK... as the old saying goes.. no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners... All my reds have very different characters, although in essence, similar in disposition I couldn't give a fig if its cross bred or pure bred as long as its loved... going back to the OP, should breed without knowing its back ground and that goes for X breds and pure breds..  |
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Post by honeybees on Aug 29, 2011 18:43:59 GMT
I agree with Jaysmum and xxShowponyxx
Why breed at all when they're so many dogs in rescues looking for homes?
Especially breeding a dog that has not 'proved' himself in terms of health.
I also think if he was true to type then why is he not papered?
The reason I say this is because the breeder in the first instance would have recieved much more money for the pup KC registered. Did his parents not pass testing..?
I would be skeptical.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 29, 2011 21:06:37 GMT
Just making the point that totally different breeds will have different basic characters. An entirely valid point surely, rather than a strange comparison. Or as dazycutter puts it "although in essence, similar in disposition".
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