kayjayem
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 30, 2011 7:05:40 GMT
I think your point was as valid as my initial point, which I still standby but has been lost along the way, that anyone crossbreeding horses for a purpose seem to have double standards when dismissing crossbreeding dogs for a purpose, so on that point we will obviously have to disagree. Incidently in the case of my dog both labrador and poodles are/were gundogs(although the poodle is no longer classified as such) therefore not worlds apart.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 30, 2011 7:40:54 GMT
Anyone cross breeding horse breeds, and the same in dogs, lives in hope of them inheriting the bits from each side that the breeder wants but it is by no means guaranteed, but anyone breeding pure will get a far more consistent result - that is after all the definition of a pure breed, one that breeds true.
The difference with dogs is that there are more qualities in some pure breeds that one would wish to avoid, so indiscriminate breeding of two breeds with undesirables could result in offspring with both - disaster!
I have nothing against labradoodles, and both parent breeds are without the major problems I had in mind - but I think anyone involved in them would agree there is not yet a fixed type.
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kayjayem
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 30, 2011 10:38:10 GMT
The difference with dogs is that there are more qualities in some pure breeds that one would wish to avoid, so indiscriminate breeding of two breeds with undesirables could result in offspring with both - disaster! No-one would advocate indiscriminate breeding of any dog be it pure or x bred that is whole new debate. However, as you say, there are many qualities one would wish to avoid in some pure breeds which can be, to some extent, bred out with cross breeding(breathing problems in the short nosed breeds, back problems in the long backed breeds). Similarly some breeds have hereditary defects which cannot always be tested for and may be recessive therefore these can be avoided. And so the debate continues........................... PS apologies to the OP who seems to havehad their thread hijacked! |
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Post by abby3 on Sept 7, 2012 21:39:24 GMT
I am really quite shocked with how aggressive particular posts are on here particually one near the start. I had forgotten l had written this post. Some advice back to those that have decided to be so apprupt if your so educated within your field why not try to put your point across nicely and in an informative way so people appreciate your point of view. To others that have done this many thanks and l appreciate your advice and information  |
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Post by B_31 on Sept 7, 2012 22:32:37 GMT
To be honest OP; You havent even said why you want to breed the dog? 2 reasons which are rubbish imo are "he deserves to use his manhood" and "i want one of his pups" i have a fabulous example of a working c0cker spaniel...........colour/temprement etc...i could easily get him out working and breed him at stud and people would pay....BUT he's a pet....he's my baby and his manhood is being removed shortly because like your dog he humps everything!! and unlike your dog - HE IS A PET....nothing more. and that to me is a good enough reason NOT to breed!! go adopt or buy from a registered breeder if you must...we did and we have a fantastic pedigree dog! |
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Post by gillwales on Sept 8, 2012 6:49:32 GMT
I do agree with other HG members, but on a funny note and to show that the course of love does not always go the way you plan.... I had a black lab girl and when she was 3 thought it would be nice for her to have a litter, I looked for a stud dog and when making inquiries such as the health of the dog, re if they had been hip scored, I have to say that the dog owners were all reluctant to answer me. anyway my parents met some lovely people with a black lab boy who were keen for him to be a dad. we were lent Charlie for the weekend, or Chinese Charlie has he was nick-named. My girl was very flirty and it looked like love was in the air until Chinese Charlie spotted a ball..... Nobody could accuse Chinese Charlie of being lead by below the waist-band, the rest of the weekend was spent by him hunting the ball which we had tried to hide, he was not prepared to be deterred on this matter! My girl got bored with all of this and with that we gave up on the idea of the patter of little paws...... The moral of this story is its not that easy! |
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Post by pipkin1 on Sept 8, 2012 8:36:33 GMT
To the OP! your pup may not be registered as the KC only allow 4 litters up to the age of 6. His mum may have been bred over this thus no registration! or a failed PRA test, or even a mixed breed (not cross) but a standard and mini cross. My aunt once bought a mini daxi or so she thought, she met the mum and dad so she thought! the "mini" grew up to be a standard. Personally i would be very carefull even having a registration or pedigree doesnt mean they are legit, there are some dodgy breeders out there!! so if you are unsure of the pups background do the more sensible thing and neuter him, He will live longer!!!!!
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Post by sometime on Sept 8, 2012 22:01:54 GMT
I am sure there are thousands of lovely dogs out there that are the current fashion for designer dogs labradoodles, c0ckerpoos etc but as has been said there is no guarantee these dogs will have better health than a health tested labrador or poodle ETC. Sadly too may people think because they have a cross of two pure breds they will get the temperament of a labrador the non shedding coat of a poodle and either smaller or greater size depending on the adult dog. You could get at any point a permanently growing permanently shedding coat on a dog prone to pra, hip dysplasia and fitting etc just as easily as a biddable non shedding medium size dog with no health issues. It is a pet hate of mine not that these dogs are deliberately bred but that they cost almost as much as one of each of the parents pure bred offspring. In many cases you could buy a health tested pedigree poodle and a labrador puppy for what is expected for a labradoodle pup. Now that is just one example I am sure there are many more of these delightful crosses breaking the bank for many unsuspecting new owners what is more they are often the result of father to daughter mother to son matings when they are not first generation or even brother to sister as they tend to be money making prospects rather than the need to improve and provide show/working dogs for their breeders
OP should you decide to go down the route of breeding your dog wait until he is a least 2 years old go to a stud and learn how to handle your dog it is messy, smelly and not always as easy as you think you may have to be very hands on even placing him into the b1tch holding him for up to an hour so he doesnt injure himself or the girl and designing different ways of helping him reach or prevent him from slipping
I would never recommend you used him but be aware how much effort and help it takes for some it certainly isnt necessarily an easy route to making money. What is more by offering him to the kind of people who would use him you may well end up with dozens of pups dumped on your doorstep when the girls owner cant find gulibble enough buyers.
I do know Someone who decided that breeding Jack daniels jack russel cross c0cker spaniel puppies who managed to sell her first accidental litter but was stuck with 10 unwanted unsellable puppies when she did it deliberately
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Post by B_31 on Sept 8, 2012 22:44:03 GMT
as above with the cross bit! my lovely cross - spaniel x collie (Accident from a neighbour that cost me a £50 to cover expenses!) has hip and elbow dysplacia........and bad wrists!
so not all healthier as crosses
too look at her though you wouldnt think theres anything wrong with her - until you look closer and watch her limp ever so slightly!
her bill is currently around £3000 and shes on weekly cartrofen for 6 weeks (at £22 a pop)..
if you do insist on breeding though - get proper health tests (not vet checks)!! relevent to the breed - - hips/eyes!? i dont know the tests for that particular breed as im not interested in breeding!!
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