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Post by fayeandash on Jul 5, 2008 15:07:27 GMT
Just got back from a local show, and wished we'd stayed at home, it was pouring with rain and blowing a gale, but daughter was so excited that i couldn't say no. Anyway we got there (3 hours to early) and warmed our pony up - he was being fantasic considering the horrid weather, we'd entered the first ridden class, mixed type - m&m, show pony and show hunter pony, 9 children turned up for the class - 1 fell with extra tall girl on board, 2 x 13.2hh show ponies, a cob and the rest small m&m's, my daughter on her section A came out to do her show and pony went fab, i was really pleased and thought she was in with a chance, anyway it came to the placings, first was a lovely dartmoor - really deserved to win, 2nd and 3rd were the 13.2hh show ponies, and 4 th fell!! I was so annoyed that i'd wasted my £8.50 on a class that had been judged all wrong, my daughter eventually came 8th - being beaten by a pony that wouldn't canter, and all the judge said to her was " your pony was a little cheeky"
Everybody goes on about supporting local shows, well all i can say is never again, anyway rant over now, just hope tomorrows show is run a little better. x
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Post by lucretia on Jul 5, 2008 17:46:53 GMT
its so hard in mixed classes to see what the judge is looking for sometimes. First ridden classes are often entered as a warm up by some competitors and you can see they are obviously not a true first ridden pony but makes it hard to judge against children just off the lead rein who are really trying. I personally like a safe mannerly pony that takes a child forward but allows them to make the odd mistake without taking advantage. Dont be put off the important thing is you were pleased with your daughters performance. Good luck tomorrow-another day another judge!!
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Post by dancer on Jul 5, 2008 20:30:29 GMT
I agree that a First Ridden should be suitable for a novice rider or a rider just off the lead that will do as the rider asks (howvwer badly they apply the aids) & won't take advantage - not one that needs to be ridden by an adult before it's safe for a child to get on.
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Post by fayeandash on Jul 5, 2008 20:53:01 GMT
me too dancer, my daughter is 6 years old and rides extremely well for her age and pony never takes advantage, i just don't see how a fell of all things could possibly beat her in a first ridden class, yes it did and well planned, calm show, but so it should considering the rider looked about 14, it just really gets on my t*ts when the show organisers are happy to take your money but not take any notice of what is entering the ring.
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Post by fell owner on Jul 7, 2008 10:07:08 GMT
Why shouldn't a fell beat your pony?  |
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Post by littlehorse on Jul 7, 2008 11:01:05 GMT
Why shouldn't a fell beat your pony? Mmm you do rather sound as though you thought the Fell shouldnt have been in the ring let alone beat you! They are M&Ms!!!!! some small enough to be eligible and suitable!  |
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Post by fayeandash on Jul 7, 2008 12:03:13 GMT
The fell shouldn't have beat my daughter as it was a first ridden class!!! open to welsh A, welsh B, shetland, exmoor and dartmoor, and as far as i am aware a fell is classed as a large breed no matter how small it might be!!! Thats the reason it shouldn't have beaten my daughter.
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Post by felly owner too on Jul 7, 2008 12:06:28 GMT
Go hairies  maybe you got what you deserved |
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Post by fayeandash on Jul 7, 2008 12:33:28 GMT
i seriously doubt my daughter deserved next to bottom, he was foot perfect, and it's not like i have anything against fells, infact my daughter has already decided she wants one when she is big enough, it's just the fact it was a first ridden class, for small breed ponies as mentioned above, i was moaning about the judge not the fell pony, it's not the girls fault who was riding the fell - i actually thought she rode very well, it was the judge and show organisers fault.
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Post by nikki on Jul 7, 2008 22:09:31 GMT
In your first post you say it was for first ridden mixed type - m&m, show pony, show hunter type so I would be surprised if a local show was differentiating between small and large in the m&ms. And if the said girl was about 14 years old then it was clearly not being run under any specific rules other than the show's own rules. In which case you just have to take your chance like everyone else does at local shows and not complain when it doesn't go your way. If at the end of the class your pony is the only one you want to take home with you at the close of the day then that is what matters and you can concentrate on the next show rather than dwelling on what you thought should have happened.
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Post by coloured on Jul 8, 2008 11:29:23 GMT
We have had some hysterical comments doing local shows. i.e. "wear a navy jacket on your M&M and put a coloured browband on - then you would be placed higher in the line" - is one of my particular favourites.
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Post by polsmith on Jul 8, 2008 13:54:41 GMT
I think it's a bit rediculous a fell going in a first ridden class, wasn't the rider a little red faced? i know i would have been.
I think you just have to take these local shows and their judges with a pinch of salt, i agree with nikki, if your pony did nothing wrong and you were pleased with it's performance then thats all that should matter.
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Post by Guestless on Jul 9, 2008 10:26:45 GMT
I think it's a bit rediculous a fell going in a first ridden class, wasn't the rider a little red faced? i know i would have been. If the rules permit it, then why shouldn't a Fell go into the first ridden? Just because the rider is 14 doesn't mean she has been riding for years - it could have been her first show and IMO a first ridden class would be ideal for people of all ages if they are just starting out. I'm sure most of us can remember the day when we didn't know much about showing and the Fell's owner may not have known that first ridden classes are usually restricted to small breeds. I once took my Fell into a hunter pony class at local level cos there were no M&M classes - the schedule didn't stipulate a type and as far as I was concerned, I could take my Fell hunting so he was therefore a hunter pony! We didn't win, but we did get placed. |
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Post by lucretia on Jul 9, 2008 19:17:29 GMT
when the class description is so open to include m and ms show ponies, hps etc I dont think it is possible to discriminate against the actual pony. If there is no defined height in an open FR class at local level I suppose a pony is a pony and the suitability as a first ridden, manners etc would be the criteria used to judge. If the rules also allowed a (tall) 14 year old to enter then the fell was perhaps a suitable mount. Just another situation where the rules are very flexible and open to a variety of interpretations. Must be a minefield for beginners or novices.
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Post by HOYS i wish on Jul 25, 2008 13:59:12 GMT
isnt there an age limit on first ridden?
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jul 26, 2008 18:01:39 GMT
normally not to have attained 10th birthday before jan of the current year?
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Post by dancer on Jul 26, 2008 20:47:29 GMT
or 12th birthday if M&Ms
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Post by Get real on Aug 30, 2008 19:12:26 GMT
You hairy lovers a being way over protective, a little desperate really - cheap.
THe girl obviously should have been higher than 8th and the chances are the rider of the fell wasn't a novice just wanted an edge over people
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Post by ponylover1 on Sept 7, 2008 11:53:52 GMT
Must admit our local show states in thier schedule what age bracket a child must be (10) & no hieght limit of pony, breeds do not come into it as a daughter of a friend of mine took thier fell into a 1st ridden class as child was only 8 at the time & it was her 1st show.
local show means local it`s a place where most people start thier showing careers & it`s ment to be a fun day.
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Post by potty pots on Sept 26, 2008 15:06:45 GMT
The fell shouldn't have beat my daughter as it was a first ridden class!!! open to welsh A, welsh B, shetland, exmoor and dartmoor, and as far as i am aware a fell is classed as a large breed no matter how small it might be!!! Thats the reason it shouldn't have beaten my daughter. I thinks some times people mistake little local shows and think they are HOYs qualifiers!  Was it written on the schedule that that fell should not have been in the class? if so you should have complained to the organiser, as it appears from you horse racist remarks you havent then I guess it did not state breeding that was eligable. Did it occur to you that the rider of the Fell was a new rider/ her first show etc and it may be her first pony? We dont all start to ride at 6! Grow up :'(and if you want the normal rules then go to shows who are affiliated. I hope you didnt moan and grown like this infront of your young daughter!  |
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Post by caroline1278 on Sept 27, 2008 21:41:09 GMT
First ridden ages are excessive, how can you judge a 12 year old against a 6 year old just coming off the lead rein. Irrespective of ring experience, length of time riding etc. the physical capabilities are totally different. Tiny tots are a joke as well, there are some big tots in this game!! Time the whole age issue was looked at.
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