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[mufty]

I was at a local show Sunday July 6th 2008 A class had been called by the ring steward both out side the ring and over the very loud speaker by the commentator . The class then went ahead and had finished. The judge had given out the qualifying cards, rossettes etc, and the competortors had left the ring when the steward was approached by a very irate person whom I over heard using foul language to the steward. (missed the class I understand) the steward immediately radioed through to the organizers, who we were told had said that they wished the judge to take way the awards and re run the class to accommodate this person. The judge refused this so a completely separate class was called to accommodate the competitor. Is this the way shows are usually run or was this because of the face on board.

[bluelucy]

I was at that show too and heard the same competitor, a professional producer kick off! Good on the judge to stand their ground, poor show on both the organisers and producer, not even big qualifiers to grab. How dare they think (and get away) with throwing their weight around! Shame it bucked with the judge!

[donkeydo]

OMG where was this

[Guestless]

That's a disgrace, but I guess local shows don't have the same rules about the ring being closed when the class goes into trot. Maybe the show secretary was scared about any backlash.

[perhaps]

i have come across this at local before.....a competitor came into a ridden class after most of the competitors had done their individual show, did a show and was placed 1st turns out the pony belonged to the niece of the organiser!

[nativenellys]

sibton >:(how dare he upset the steward i would not expect any entries in the future from them >:(lets stick up 4 all stewards they do a grand job

[nativenellys]

bluelacy u are so right >:(who do they think they are some one special I've seen who we think it is booeeeeeeeeeeed at puk summer champs in the passed why don't they stick to HOY'S and let us enjoy our local shows

[thecremellosociety]

We will not tolerate any kind of verbal abuse or other to any officials and all are asked to report it to me with competitor number and i will have the persons removed and bar future entries, these people give up their time and without them they have no show, if you miss your class, TOUGH LUCK !!!! Hold a grudge against me after show day or what ever, but look at the situation, would you go and verbally abuse a shop keeper as he had ran out of your fav choc bars ? mind you in this day and age the answer is possibly yes, we will aloow late entrants at the judges discretion, none of our classes start BEFORE the alloted time, thats all a show can do !!!!! STAND UP FOR STEWARDS JUDGES & OFFICIALS, they hsould not feel bullied !!!

[commission]

The exact same thing happend at the RC show that I went to on Sunday, I had won the class and all competitors were doing their lap of honour when this irrate women came up demanding the class was run again, luckily out comittee and judges stuck by their guns and said no perhaps next time this competitor will listen out for the clear announcements

[ellieraga]

this sort of attitude is not acceptable at any show, i also think these sort of people are always placed highly at some shows as the judges sometimes dont want the abuse from them if they dont win !! rules are set and rules should apply to all competitors

[nativenellys]

would like to see all producers banned from our local shows they are only POT HUNTING to impress there clients views please

[dancer]

Most schedules state that it is the competitors responsibility to check whether classes will clash as they will not be held up - unfortunately if you enetr a lot of classes at a show it's inevitable some may clash, you then choose which you are going to compete in.
For a Producer to behave like this is disgraceful - maybe they didn't want to explain to a client why they had paid entry fees but their pony hadn't competed??
Surely it's not a good advert for their services.

[doodah]

Jul 8, 2008 19:32:39 GMT nativenellys said:

would like to see all producers banned from our local shows they are only POT HUNTING to impress there clients views please

some have very novice ponies that need to embarrass themselves at local level- not HOYS

i kind of agree that it's not good for the other competitors to be beat by a producer unexpectedly, none of us like to "rob rosettes" off local competitors, why do we do it? because sometimes it is necessary- producers constantly have to have the best ponies, they have a reputation to maintain- they need to make a living somehow.

also- nothing is banning producers from entering these shows and you can't just think that they will stop, but i would like to see everyone amateur and professional alike, play by the rules or the fun just goes.

and i don't think clients are impressed by winning at local shows

and just to end this on a funny note so you all don't think i'm completely boring:

i went to a show on sunday- only local level- unaffiliated-type but with royal london qualifiers (that's what we went for), i won 2 classes- and champ- basically by default- and in my lap of honour- no-one clapped- i don't know why!
coz thing is i'm really nice most of the time- i even let little children in unaffiliated classes have the trophy sometimes, so i was actually quite gutted that this happed, there was only my mum and grandma clapping out of lots of people :-(

[Plinky]

From a harrassed local show steward, thank you all and it is a shame that we don't get the respect from other people that you all are showing!

It is clearly stated in our rules that no-one must enter the ring late, but not a show goes by without someone trying to sneak in at every stage or scream at me because they missed their class (how selfish of me to not go and fetch them when I notice they are missing!!!). Sadly, I find the worst offenders are the 'pushy' mums with over indulged children. I once had one daughter (around 12 years old) tell me to tell the judge to wait because she wanted to do a few more practice jumps - when I told her the judge waited for no-one she did what she wanted anyway and when she came back I told her she had missed her chance. She had an almighty tantrum and her mum set upon me with her foul mouth! The pair were asked to leave the show and only return if they were willing to behave appropriately in the future. When I told another mum that the ring was closed for a major qualifier, she told her daughter to ignore me and join the back, even though shows had started. The daughter went in and the judge asked her to leave, which made her cry and her mum promptly packed her and pony up in the lorry and went home ranting - poor child

I'm no hero, but I and many others give up our spare time for no financial reward to steward, because if we didn't, local shows would not be able to run and my (not at all indulged!) daughter would miss out on her fun. However, if at one of our shows I was told to put on an extra class to suck up to anyone, I wouldn't be volunteering again - disgraceful!!!

[Plinky]

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i went to a show on sunday- only local level- unaffiliated-type but with royal london qualifiers (that's what we went for), i won 2 classes- and champ- basically by default- and in my lap of honour- no-one clapped- i don't know why!
coz thing is i'm really nice most of the time- i even let little children in unaffiliated classes have the trophy sometimes, so i was actually quite gutted that this happed, there was only my mum and grandma clapping out of lots of people :-(
[/quote]

I see this all the time at shows and its awful, I'm clapping for you now

[stinkpig]

Please don't tar all producers with the same brush, my mare is with a producer and was at this show. It was her first time under saddle and we thought that as it was such a nice show it would be a good place to start. It was and we enjoyed it so thankyou to everyone involved, busy but not buzzy a fantastic show for a novice. They all have to start somewhere but there is no need for anybody to be rude and it shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances !!

[Guestless]

I don't mind producers taking babies out to local shows. What does annoy me somewhat is producers taking seasoned ponies (ie competed at HOYS/Olympia, etc) out to local shows where there are no qualifiers on offer. I see local level as a place for those with ponies that have the odd blemish to take part in showing if that is what they want to do. I am always saddened to see top class ponies in the ring as it takes away the opportunity of some to get a coveted red rossette. If they need an outing before a major show then that's fine, but couldn't they do it HC?

[doodah]

thanks plinky

[stinkpig]

Totally agree, it was my mares first ridden show but would never never go pot hunting !!!!!!!

[bluelucy]

It was not the fact that a producer was competing at the show, because his horse obviously needed an outing to settle.
The worst bit is the arrogant attitude when we sawthat the class had finnished and was about to start the championship, after all he had been there since 8.30 and the class was about 11.30.
So whose fault is it if the ring runs fast or there aren't loads of competitiors? Surely someone with the amount of onterage they have could send someone down to the ring and let the steward or judge know if your delayed, thats just manners, something obviously lacking!
Also a proffessional is still more aware than most of how shows run, they have done enough! Back off and have the good grace to admit you mistimed or messed up! It happens to even the best of us.

[Guestless]

Jul 9, 2008 17:54:21 GMT bluelucy said:

Back off and have the good grace to admit you mistimed or messed up! It happens to even the best of us.

Yup, I would go along with that. I'm sure many of us have missed classes due to clashing in other rings or arriving late, etc and we wouldn't expect classes to be re-run for us.

[shelleyj]

even managed to get the wrong day once!!! Turned up a day late for the show, thank god it was only down the road!

[stephjw1]

Well I often steward for Tammy at Warren Farm, we always try to allow for classes clashing, so long as the competitor lets us know we let them come in do their show and then go and do the other class. We also announce classes and I will try to find missing competetiors, however if a class is missed its missed and I would never ask a judge to re-do a class.

[diadem]

Unless stipulated in the rules it would be the judges discretion as to whether a late come can enter the class. But for a lady to enter the ring and shout abuse like that she should (a) get banned (b)buy a new watch.

Secondly, theres nowt wrong with getting babies out to more local shows, and I doubt very much that first string ponies are towed here there and everywhere. Some producers I know do this and why not, theyve been patrons of theyre local show s for many years.

[Flyingbuck]

All comes down to manners, or lack of them.

A zero tolerance policy of any kind of bullying tactics towards officials should be in place or adopted by all shows to stop this sort of outrageous behaviour.

[dawnie]

All the ponies have to start somewhere, and if they go on to better things good luck to them. Everyone who shows is a producer of some sort arent they? Don't forget these producers do take the risk of egg on their face by going to a local show and getting beaten... it does happen. I am however disgusted to hear of somebody expecting a class to be re run because they missed it. As any bigger show, once the class has started .. even you are moments late ... its tough ... you have missed out.

[lollipopsical]

Jul 9, 2008 17:54:21 GMT bluelucy said:

It was not the fact that a producer was competing at the show, because his horse obviously needed an outing to settle.
The worst bit is the arrogant attitude when we sawthat the class had finnished and was about to start the championship, after all he had been there since 8.30 and the class was about 11.30.
So whose fault is it if the ring runs fast or there aren't loads of competitiors? Surely someone with the amount of onterage they have could send someone down to the ring and let the steward or judge know if your delayed, thats just manners, something obviously lacking!
Also a proffessional is still more aware than most of how shows run, they have done enough! Back off and have the good grace to admit you mistimed or messed up! It happens to even the best of us.

Was at the Northern Horse show acouple of years ago when an M&M class was held up for over an hour due to a prodcuer running late!!
p.s Guess who won the class! ( so predictable)

[smokeycott]

I WAS LATE FOR A CLASS ONCE THIS YEAR, WASNT MY FAULT,HONEST, THEY HAD CHANGED THE RUNNING ORDER OF CLASSES, I HAS ASKED SHOW SEC WHEN IT WOULD BE ON AND SHE SAID AFTER ARAB SECTION SO I WAS MAKING MY WAY BACK TO BOX WHEN I SAW WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MY CLASS, RAN TO RING AND ASKED STEWARD WHA CLASSA AND IT WAS EXPLAINED AND SHE ASKED THE JUDGE AND TO MY AMAZEMENT THE JUDGE SAID YES IF I COME STRAIGHT IN SO I DRAGGED PONY OF BOX THREW TWEED ON AND RAN IN RING, PROBABLY IN A STATE,WAS TOTALLY SHOCKED TO BE PULLED UP 2ND IN A MIXED HEIGHT SHP BREEDING CLASS WITH MY LITTLE B FILLY, ANYHOO, HAD LOST OF EVIL LOOKS BY OTHER COMPETITORS WHO MUST OF THOUGHT THAT IT WAS DODGY, BUT HONEST, THE JUDGE WAS JUST VERY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I DID FEEL VERY BAD AND SHOT BACK TO MY BOX ASAP!!!!!

[Candy Floss]

Its disgraceful!

Earlier this year i took my section D to a show which we arrived 3 hours early for! Got there and got Pip out the box and gave him a groom, then noticed that my class seemed to be in the ring, tacked up and got to the ring as soon as, but we where refused entry into the ring as the competitors had alreadys starting trotting, although i agree with the rule, the class had ran 2 hours early because the show had changed venue due to bad ground and there was bearly any competitors. Needless to say, i didn't kick off or caused a scene, just excepted that i was late, i'd never dream of asking them to make any exceptions.

[Candy Floss]

Sept 14, 2008 21:51:23 GMT smokeycott said:

I WAS LATE FOR A CLASS ONCE THIS YEAR, WASNT MY FAULT,HONEST, THEY HAD CHANGED THE RUNNING ORDER OF CLASSES, I HAS ASKED SHOW SEC WHEN IT WOULD BE ON AND SHE SAID AFTER ARAB SECTION SO I WAS MAKING MY WAY BACK TO BOX WHEN I SAW WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MY CLASS, RAN TO RING AND ASKED STEWARD WHA CLASSA AND IT WAS EXPLAINED AND SHE ASKED THE JUDGE AND TO MY AMAZEMENT THE JUDGE SAID YES IF I COME STRAIGHT IN SO I DRAGGED PONY OF BOX THREW TWEED ON AND RAN IN RING, PROBABLY IN A STATE,WAS TOTALLY SHOCKED TO BE PULLED UP 2ND IN A MIXED HEIGHT SHP BREEDING CLASS WITH MY LITTLE B FILLY, ANYHOO, HAD LOST OF EVIL LOOKS BY OTHER COMPETITORS WHO MUST OF THOUGHT THAT IT WAS DODGY, BUT HONEST, THE JUDGE WAS JUST VERY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I DID FEEL VERY BAD AND SHOT BACK TO MY BOX ASAP!!!!!

Sound so simalar to me what show was this?