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Post by hoys on Jun 21, 2007 13:38:38 GMT
HOYS: High/fell/dale 1st Lambrigg Amber 2nd Jed of Ednam House 3rd Kilmannan Black Wizard
Smalls 1st Southerly Red Ember 2nd Another shettie - i think birchmoor admiral? 3rd Blackthorn Sea Poacher
A&Bs 1st Waitwith Westwind
C&Ds 1st Drogeda Pearly King 2nd Waxwing Keepsake 3rd Starcrest Soverign
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Post by whattype on Jun 21, 2007 13:48:25 GMT
FMM, beautiful horse. Excuse my ignorance not being a plaited horse type person, could you tell me what type he is. as in what classes he does? Also how are horses like this bred?
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Post by twm on Jun 21, 2007 13:51:02 GMT
HOYS: High/fell/dale 1st Lambrigg Amber 2nd Jed of Ednam House 3rd Kilmannan Black Wizard Smalls 1st Southerly Red Ember 2nd Another shettie - i think birchmoor admiral? 3rd Blackthorn Sea Poacher And how many are home produced amatuar peeps......... hmm A&Bs 1st Waitwith Westwind C&Ds 1st Drogeda Pearly King 2nd Waxwing Keepsake 3rd Starcrest Soverign
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Post by twm on Jun 21, 2007 13:52:45 GMT
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Post by guest007 on Jun 21, 2007 13:57:28 GMT
Does anyone who what qualified in the shp's, especially the 12hh?! Also any results from the M&M workers!
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Post by Question on Jun 21, 2007 13:59:11 GMT
I watched The Philanderer at BSHA champs last year - he was THE horse of the event IMO = magical. They're not machines though. I'm sure he has plenty more good days to come. A definite "watch this space". Thank you - he would agree with you which is half of his problem! Not sure if I am allowed to put this on here - sorry mods and please delete if you need to! How strange that he coped with the buzz of the Nat Champs last year, but is throwing his toys out the pram at tickets on seats at Lincoln and whatever upset him on the other occassions! Horses eh? You do have to be so careful not to overface these young horses - after all if they are good enough, there's no need to cart them around the country. You take your time and enjoy him. BTW, like your coloured cob, but my how Robert Walker's grey LW has come on this year! Ringside opinion yesterday was that he was now a real true cob - the amunition that man has, not fair, eh?!
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Post by Rockstar on Jun 21, 2007 14:06:14 GMT
how many of the above are home produced ar amataurs Jed is totally home produced, well done Beth.
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Post by not true on Jun 21, 2007 14:09:26 GMT
how many of the above are home produced ar amataurs 1st, 2nd & 4th in the hairy class for starters, and the winning C i think. Katherine bowling was 4th - she's HP, and 3rd & 4th in the smalls aren't professionals either
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 14:26:13 GMT
how many of the above are home produced ar amataurs Jed is totally home produced, well done Beth. Fabulous result - well done Beth!
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Post by robbed on Jun 21, 2007 14:28:23 GMT
Sorry to diasgree with the general opinion but i thought Casanova was blatantly robbed in the LW cobs!
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 14:31:26 GMT
How strange that he coped with the buzz of the Nat Champs last year, but is throwing his toys out the pram at tickets on seats at Lincoln and whatever upset him on the other occassions! Horses eh? You do have to be so careful not to overface these young horses - after all if they are good enough, there's no need to cart them around the country. You take your time and enjoy him. BTW, like your coloured cob, but my how Robert Walker's grey LW has come on this year! Ringside opinion yesterday was that he was now a real true cob - the amunition that man has, not fair, eh?! Funnily enough the nat champs is not as bad as Lincoln. My old cob was foot perfect at the Nat Champs, but p1ssed off with me 3 times around the ring at lincoln. Something to do with the hounds, carriages, low flying aircraft, faulty speakers etc etc. Not quite comparable. And HOYS is even less spooky as there is no watching in the ring at 7am in the morning! I didn't watch the cob class (just watched Dinger be ridden and then went to groom for the small rh class). Why was Rob dropped? I know that his coloured was naughty with the judge in the HWs, but not sure about the grey. He came in second, then swapped with Casanova.
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 14:34:30 GMT
Sorry to diasgree with the general opinion but i thought Casanova was blatantly robbed in the LW cobs! "blatantly" - (definition - Without any attempt at concealment; completely obvious) So - what was so blatant? And why was he "robbed"? Not disagreeing, but it would be better to back up your statement!
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Post by whattype on Jun 21, 2007 14:36:27 GMT
FMM, beautiful horse. Excuse my ignorance not being a plaited horse type person, could you tell me what type he is. as in what classes he does? Also how are horses like this bred? Sorry just read the whole thread and answered my first question lol. I'm still interested to know though how some of the show horses are bred, as in what percentage of thoroughbred blood do they generally have and is there a place in the ring for full thoroughbreds of a substantial height and build, not the smaller, finer hack types.
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 14:41:03 GMT
FMM, beautiful horse. Excuse my ignorance not being a plaited horse type person, could you tell me what type he is. as in what classes he does? Also how are horses like this bred? Sorry just read the whole thread and answered my first question lol. I'm still interested to know though how some of the show horses are bred, as in what percentage of thoroughbred blood do they generally have and is there a place in the ring for full thoroughbreds of a substantial height and build, not the smaller, finer hack types. Phil is by Kilvington Scoundrel who is the sire of many show horses and ponies. He was also the sire of our old small hack, Dangerous Liaison. Scoundrel is 14.2hh with 15.26% Arab Blood. www.whaltonstud.co.uk/kil.htm
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Post by robbed on Jun 21, 2007 14:44:42 GMT
robbed Sorry to diasgree with the general opinion but i thought Casanova was blatantly robbed in the LW cobs! "blatantly" - (definition - Without any attempt at concealment; completely obvious) So - what was so blatant? And why was he "robbed"? Not disagreeing, but it would be better to back up your statement! No problem! Quality, type, movement, ride, manners should just about cover it i think. IMHO (and of course it is just that) I felt he was by far the better cob on the day.
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 14:45:28 GMT
BTW, like your coloured cob, but my how Robert Walker's grey LW has come on this year! Ringside opinion yesterday was that he was now a real true cob - the amunition that man has, not fair, eh?! Fortunately, there are enough shows to go round! It is true though, that cobs get better as they mature. Dinger was only broken around Christmas last year, so has plenty of maturing to do. We're lucky to have him, Incobnito and The Cobbler out this year to take over from Robocob. Do you think Rob will beat LR with his current horses?
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Post by Heavies on Jun 21, 2007 14:46:16 GMT
Was anyone ringside for the HWs? Again I thought the judging was a little off. All quality animals but some well deserving ones appeared to be missed out. I know you can't really judge from the ringside and no doubt someone will tell me the one we loved (two actually a chestnut that finished mid way - honestly I'm not making this up he had just the one eye and a bright bay ridden by a blonde lady - not placed) Are well known and have x and y which justifys there placing. reading these posts I'm glad we stick to in hand and breeding, no stress then as to if they will perform for the judge etc!
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jun 21, 2007 14:48:29 GMT
Sorry dont agree with Question or Robbed!! Rob Walkers grey was called in 2nd at 3 Counties and then dropped to 4th or 5th and started in 2nd and dropped to 3rd at Lincloln. Bit of a pattern here isn't there?! It took him until the absolute last qualifying show of the year in 06 to get its ticket for HOYS. Great colour, well produced but its conformation is just not as good as the top cobs on the circuit. I have always thought Casanova to be very pony, very short of front and this year very fat! But boy hasn't he done well! All credit to them.
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Post by what on Jun 21, 2007 14:52:03 GMT
robbed "blatantly" - (definition - Without any attempt at concealment; completely obvious) So - what was so blatant? And why was he "robbed"? Not disagreeing, but it would be better to back up your statement! No problem! Quality, type, movement, ride, manners should just about cover it i think. IMHO (and of course it is just that) I felt he was by far the better cob on the day. think robbed was watching a different class!
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Post by robbed on Jun 21, 2007 14:52:09 GMT
Like i said, just MHO. It may be on the heavy side this year but is still far superior in type to many of the lights out there competing at the moment. The coloured is just another nice cob but not outstanding. May be different in a year or two when more mature but sorry, not my cup of tea.
Cant comment on the heavies as i had wandered off to see the riding horses and they were certainly a little interesting too!
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Post by Question on Jun 21, 2007 15:23:53 GMT
Was anyone ringside for the HWs? Again I thought the judging was a little off. All quality animals but some well deserving ones appeared to be missed out. I know you can't really judge from the ringside and no doubt someone will tell me the one we loved (two actually a chestnut that finished mid way - honestly I'm not making this up he had just the one eye and a bright bay ridden by a blonde lady - not placed) Are well known and have x and y which justifys there placing. reading these posts I'm glad we stick to in hand and breeding, no stress then as to if they will perform for the judge etc! I think your one-eyed cob may be the one ridden by Robert Walker's father - and what a cob he is. A proper cob, a real mouldy pattern. Pity about the eye!
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Post by I spy on Jun 21, 2007 15:39:58 GMT
I think the cobs have finished now, (M&M hoys)
Kate Harries on a chestnut cob got the ticket, Think its the Felinmor one.
Not yet sure of the other results!
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Post by Heavies on Jun 21, 2007 15:41:47 GMT
Thanxs Question - Its so good to know I wasn't seeing things and there was a cob with one eye, we did debate it quite a bit and OH thought he was merely winking! Know nothing about cobs but does the eye effect him - judge wise I mean, he seemed to go round straight enough. What's his name, is he a seasoned campaigner? Sorry but it interests me the whole one eye thing, still think he should have been higher though, one eye or not. Are there any other one eyed show horses? And before someone flippantly replies, we all know there are plenty of what would appear to be one eyed show judges. lol x
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Post by robbed on Jun 21, 2007 15:45:40 GMT
The lovely one eyed cob is called Raffles. A grand stamp and a true heavy weight cob. I remember talking to a producer one day about him who was a little disgruntled when he came on the scene as in their opinion he cannot be correct with only one eye. Personally i dont think only having one eye has ever really affected his winnings but although he manages to qualify for HOYS every year he never seems to do well there.
I think he's a wonderful type and i aspire to have one like him (but preferably with 2 eyes) one day.
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Post by fmm on Jun 21, 2007 15:50:46 GMT
It is not a conformation defect, or something caused by a conformation defect, so in theory should not make a difference. However, if you have several good cobs in a class, then I would imagine that the two eyed one (if as good in other ways) would come above the one eyed one. Raffles won at Lincoln last year, but did take off with the judge. I remember distinctly as I was standing holding my horse and had to jump out of the way!
He has beenvery successful over the years and the one eye doesn't seem to make a "blind bit of difference" to his way of going. Sorry for the pun, but couldn't resist it.
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Post by skint on Jun 21, 2007 17:05:10 GMT
results 4 hoys a+b
1st waithwith west wind 2nd waxwing paintbox 3rd sunwillow jubilee 4th mynach hornblower
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Post by well on Jun 21, 2007 18:02:52 GMT
the section d was felimor distinction stunning animal well deserved to win!
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Post by kk on Jun 21, 2007 18:08:33 GMT
Fmm he is lovely. What a quality cob. Will watch out for him in action this year. despite working with such gorgeous cobs, im not a cob person. however i absolutely adore dinger! whenever he is being ridden i cant help but watch him and he is such a genuine, nice horse! he is always smiling and very affectionate and gives a dream of a ride as well as having the most fantastic jump!
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Post by info on Jun 21, 2007 20:41:46 GMT
how many of the above are home produced ar amataurs 1st, 2nd & 4th in the hairy class for starters, and the winning C i think. Katherine bowling was 4th - she's HP, and 3rd & 4th in the smalls aren't professionals either Pearly King is produced - by C Atherton - i know this as my sister and i have lessons from her
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Post by cnd on Jun 21, 2007 20:59:47 GMT
does any1 knw the mm whps results..?__x
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