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Post by lalalala on Jul 16, 2007 12:59:34 GMT
we have been spectators at the uk showing show held this weekend, the show was very, very well run and well supported. the standard was very high for an unaffiliated competition, but we were disappointed to see that people who had qualifed for hoys were competing and winning. it seems unfair that this is unaffiliated and these people are just pot hunting. the organisers said that they found it too hard to stop people who had qualified for hoys after they had entered the uk showing, but they expected people to be honest enough not to go had they qualified.
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Post by hahaha on Jul 16, 2007 13:22:47 GMT
Well run? was you at the same show as myself? It was a shambles
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Post by layla on Jul 16, 2007 13:26:09 GMT
Is there a rule that says people who have qualified for HOYS can't go? If not why shouldn't they go, just because they have qualified doesn't mean they will win their class!
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Post by hello on Jul 16, 2007 13:48:20 GMT
do you no who the photographer was??
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Post by lalalala on Jul 16, 2007 13:58:13 GMT
well the horse that won the cobs was last week ridden by a judge in a show to qualify for hoys and then the owner rode it there, where is there fairness in that? its almost like having it with a producer.
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Post by star123 on Jul 16, 2007 14:07:27 GMT
I'm sure you didn't intend it to be lalalala, but IMO your post comes across as a bit patronising. As far as I know there is no rule for UK showing or the FOC etc that states that ponies qualified for HOYS or RIHS cannot enter. These are riding club championships and therefore those that enter should be members of their local riding club, if they enter and win at their RC why shouldn't they go My daughters and their friends do a riding club, some affiliated shows, some County shows and a few HOYS qualifiers, if one day they are lucky enough to qualify for HOYS (actually one of them has in the past) , then should they be banned from doing anything other than affiliated/county level shows? I couldn't afford to do this for a start, and we see the RC shows as a social event to catch up with friends and the kids to have fun with their mates, affiliated showing gets so serious and b*tchy that it stops becoming fun for anyone (not just the kids) if we were ever stopped from doing 'fun' shows I think we would give up showing altogether.
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Post by not unusual on Jul 16, 2007 14:24:33 GMT
In a recent Olympia qualifier, the 5th place went to a horse and rider that won a class at our local PC last autumn?!
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Post by frobster on Jul 16, 2007 14:37:42 GMT
I thought it was very well run It wasn't their fault they weren't allowed to use some fields! I agree about the HOYS horses/ponies - my class was won by a HOYS qual'd horse, and I think 2nd had too! UK showing has always been full of HOYS ponies as a practice with the atmosphere, and I do think it is unfair when for most of the people there, it is their HOYS and the closest they'll ever get to it! If they did ban them, I think over half the classes would have had different winners! But what do you expect? If not why shouldn't they go, just because they have qualified doesn't mean they will win their class! Well they nearly all did ;D Even if they did something wrong, they are over double the quality of half of them there, so they won. Where some people aim to get to HOYS, others aim all year to qualify for UK showing, and maybe their only chance of being in an evening performance with all the lights etc. So when their placings are taken by HOYS ponies, I'm sure you could understand how they must feel I was lucky enough to be highly placed in both my classes and the feeling is amazing when you're called out. One thing that got me irate, was when a woman in a near stable to ours started saying how she hates the "riding club lot" and the "turnout is far better at county" etc Why the bl@@dy hell was she there then? Taking places of people who wanted to be there Her next breathe was about her HOYS conformation arriving!! Annoyingly she ended up winning atleast 2 classes and a championship
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Post by frobster on Jul 16, 2007 14:39:39 GMT
Forgot to say - I do love this show and have been every year However, I think the evening performances aren't as good as they used to be, but it's all health and safety now isn't it.... Still had great fun and the atmosphere was fab!
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Post by Bonkers on Jul 16, 2007 14:52:19 GMT
The cob that won deserved it!!! So what if its off to hoys, his owner has schooled that horse by her self, and the judge was only riding it upto last week as the owner had a operation !!!!!!
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Post by cob on Jul 16, 2007 14:59:05 GMT
out of interest which cob did win and where is this show, I've never heard of it?
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Post by bryn on Jul 16, 2007 15:53:47 GMT
Congratulations to everyone who had success at the UK Showing Event. They were all there as they qualified to go, (one or two classes excepted). Everyone had to compete under the judge on the day, it is not guaranteed that those that have qualified for other championships or even HOYS would win. They support Riding Clubs as well, so why should they be excluded from this show?
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Post by okcaj on Jul 16, 2007 16:07:55 GMT
well the horse that won the cobs was last week ridden by a judge in a show to qualify for hoys and then the owner rode it there, where is there fairness in that? its almost like having it with a producer. Someone else that needs to get their facts right. Yes my cob has qualified for the RIHS ridden by myself and yes my INSTRUCTOR did ride him last week at North of england as i had an operation on my wrist and had stitches in ( wouldnt have been much fun for me riding !!! ). But so what my cob doesnt always win, its luck of the draw and he does have to go well dont forget and you cant take that away from him because the two days we were there he didnt put a foot out of place and he deserved what he won. Why are people so bitter !!! I am always happy for people that get placed higher than me cause there is always a reason. I have worked extremely hard with my cob and no one will take that away from me, it has taken me 3 years to get him to where he is !!!!!! If you have something to say then have the front to say it to my face PLEASE
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Post by Whoa on Jul 16, 2007 16:21:42 GMT
OOOO Handbags at Dawn!
Technically if your instructor accepts money for instruction / advice re horses they are not classed as an amateur as they make money from the "sport". Unless of course you are extremely lucky and your tuition is free.
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Post by pro on Jul 16, 2007 17:34:34 GMT
I think you will find that if she accepts money for lessons then she is deemed as a pro, therefore if she has ridden a horse in a RIHS or HOYS qualifier then that horse can no longer be shown in Amateur classes for the rest of the season. I think this was a new rule with BSHA about 2 years ago.
However well done for all your successes.
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Post by pro on Jul 16, 2007 17:39:24 GMT
also if you are no longer eligible for Amateur then you can no longer do Home Produced classes for the rest of the season either
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Post by lalalala on Jul 16, 2007 20:07:46 GMT
i did only say it was LIKE having it with a producer as she is a judge, not that it was being produced by someone else.
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Post by I was there on Jul 16, 2007 20:38:42 GMT
I felt the show went very well however it is a shame that some people decide to spoil the evening performances by purposley upsetting ponies. it's one thing giving your mates a cheer but another when people make all the racket and then find it funny when children fall off thier ponies !!! PS - Did anyone pick up a schedule for the show that is on in September at Osbaldesaton
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Post by Bonkers on Jul 16, 2007 20:43:44 GMT
guest !!!
What show is that then ??
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Post by i was there on Jul 16, 2007 20:48:11 GMT
I was handed a schedule for a show called british equine events. the lady said it was like uk showing except you didn't have to qualify for it
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Post by good cause on Jul 16, 2007 20:54:12 GMT
UK Showing was brilliant. OK some judging was bizzarre but we'll live it was a good show.
The other show is like UK Showing, it is a charity thing for the ILPH sounds OK. We might go but not if we are too knackered after British Elite!
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Post by Bonkers on Jul 16, 2007 20:56:27 GMT
Nice one I'm all for that !!
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Post by darme on Jul 16, 2007 21:08:36 GMT
well i was there myself and from what i saw it seemed fair enough , a lot of hard work went into running the show and competeing in it also ...and hats of to everyone there .... do know what you mean about going overboard with the noise though my ears are still ringing but overall all well done to everyone who did well and for those who did'nt theres always next year
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Post by okcaj on Jul 16, 2007 21:48:58 GMT
You know what i know how hard i work and we deserved to get what we got at the weekend. You only get out what you put in !!!!!!
FYI my horse is totally home produced, thanks for your comments and thanks for singling me out. Please if you have an issue with me instead of bit*hing on silly pages like this one be an adult come and talk to me, i am not an unreasonable type and i do play by the rules !!!!
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Post by Proudmum on Jul 16, 2007 21:59:38 GMT
Well run? was you at the same show as myself? It was a shambles Im sorry but i agree loads of people where complaining about the M&M Novice Large Breeds Ridden and the rest of the classes aswell where judges awful! They use to have actual pannel judges Could anyone elaborate on which classes or rings they felt were badly judged?? My teenage daughter had a great result on her horse and would be sad to think others thought we didn't deserve it, they haven't had the easiest of partnerships and have produced blood, sweat and tears to get where they have In her class at least, I know the top 3 were not produced or well known jockeys or horses but do consistently well at this type of show. Saw a few results that weren't totally what I would've expected but mostly in kid classes where I presumed the judges went for safety rather flash I think the organisers did a fair enough job under bad conditions, don't forget, many many shows have been unable to go ahead at all and many of us were going stir crazy at not being able to get out showing. Lets not take away anything from peoples acheivements especially when kids are involved (and don't forget there is now a kids lounge so the children are quite able to read any slagging off in this area) every dog has his day or their 15 minutes of fame, lets allow people to enjoys theirs without being slated on the internet
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Post by frobster on Jul 16, 2007 22:07:21 GMT
The only judging I got to see was ring 3 on Saturday and I thought it was VERY well judged everybody who went through deserved to! Well, my horse was a tad spooky in her show and so was very surprised to get through and be placed highly, but everybody else deserved to be where they were I thought the standard was excellent as always too.
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Post by Proudmum on Jul 16, 2007 22:29:28 GMT
Did you have a horse in Ring 3 by any chance Frobster? We had a Sec C in the large breeds , he didn't get placed but felt that was fair enough as he didn't go very well and seemed a bit stage struck by being in that big indoor
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Post by pro on Jul 17, 2007 6:37:55 GMT
okcaj - it sounds as though you didn't break any rules by competing so very well done for all your successes. If it doesn't exclude HOYS qualifiers from competing at the show then why shouldn't you compete?
I was just pointing out that as you have had a pro ride your horse in a qualifier due to your injury then you will be no longer able to do Amateur or Home Produced classes this year.
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Post by okcaj on Jul 17, 2007 8:49:45 GMT
okcaj - I was just pointing out that as you have had a pro ride your horse in a qualifier due to your injury then you will be no longer able to do Amateur or Home Produced classes this year. Thanks for your comments, i am aware of the rules and spoke with RIHS and the british show horse association before Sarah actually rode him, i am aware of my status and Sarahs status. I am not a rule breaker. Like i said all the rules were checked before Sarah rode him. Thanks for the comments though.
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Post by McG on Jul 18, 2007 8:22:35 GMT
Well I was in your class okcaj and was 4th. I have no problem with you having qualified for RIHS or HOYS and still competing at UK Showing - I think its a good thing having such a high standard as it raises the profile of the show. There was also a cob in there that had qualified for HOYS SFAS and alot of other nice cobs too. Anyway being slated on here you've obviously made it
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