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Post by not surprised on Jul 22, 2007 10:41:23 GMT
I was'nt there yesterday but I have never been able to follow any of Ms Claytons judging (have been at the top, been at the bottom of the line)
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Post by ferret on Jul 22, 2007 10:49:30 GMT
i only watched the connis and couldnt really follow the judging either ...bet it is very frustrating judging with another judge who has very different views . Still dont understand why they didnt pull in order originally
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Post by think about it on Jul 22, 2007 11:08:25 GMT
I think it is best to not pull them in. That way the judges cant just start marking high and then go down 2 marks for each pony. I personally think that is the best way to judge a class and sometimes maybe have no communication between judges during the class. I think anyone who thinks ponies should be pulled in an order in a marking system class are off their rockers.
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Post by dnt think so on Jul 22, 2007 11:11:40 GMT
Waterside Ben II was the dales in 5th This is the Dales i said would give black wizard a run for his money. Wizard pony sould of got placed went fantastic.
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Post by ferret on Jul 22, 2007 11:14:16 GMT
why not just walk in and line up then Think judging this way is killing the art of showing ...why do we all try to find that pony with ' sparkle ' ? If they pull in any order you dont need any !!!! And what is wrong with a judge pulling in order and then judging it on a marks system ? At least they can see all the ponies go together and have an initial idea what they like ?
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Post by fr on Jul 22, 2007 11:14:56 GMT
Can anyone please please tell me the results for the f/r MnM HOYS. (especially what won)
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Post by Rebel on Jul 22, 2007 11:19:19 GMT
Is that Rudgeway Silver Rebel? And a HOYS qualifier? Fab news if it is. it is just entered as Silver Rebel As the owner of Rudgeway Silver Rebel I can say it sadly wasn't him! I don't think he was there. I believe there is another Silver Rebel connie without prefix going round in Yorks/Lancs area - tis very confusing!
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Post by why on Jul 22, 2007 11:20:16 GMT
I was there all day the only class i wasnt there to see was the f/r. i haw in the hoys fells , highlands, dales i didnt get placed but i got the 3rd highest show mark. Well i was also in that class. 1st placed got the highest mark from both judges, 2nd placed got the 2nd highest ride mark (i think) and 2nd highest conformation mark. 3rd placed got high marks from both judges also. Maybe you just need to accept that on the day the conformation judge didn't like your pony? It's no reflection on your pony, i'm sure we've all had time where we've had 48 for conf one week and 28 another!! lol! Your show mark is separate to conformation and if RS was doing his job correctly then his marks were rightly reflecting ride only, why are you so surprised at being able to get a high show mark without a high conformation mark??
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Post by But on Jul 22, 2007 11:34:44 GMT
“Why” To an extent I do agree with you as your ride score can change every week due to the performance you put in. However conformation mark should remain quite static as conformation will not change on a weekly basis.
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Post by gutted on Jul 22, 2007 11:36:33 GMT
I was there all day the only class i wasnt there to see was the f/r. i haw in the hoys fells , highlands, dales i didnt get placed but i got the 3rd highest show mark. Well i was also in that class. 1st placed got the highest mark from both judges, 2nd placed got the 2nd highest ride mark (i think) and 2nd highest conformation mark. 3rd placed got high marks from both judges also. Maybe you just need to accept that on the day the conformation judge didn't like your pony? It's no reflection on your pony, i'm sure we've all had time where we've had 48 for conf one week and 28 another!! lol! Your show mark is separate to conformation and if RS was doing his job correctly then his marks were rightly reflecting ride only, why are you so surprised at being able to get a high show mark without a high conformation mark?? Ok then personally i was just making a point. Secondly i didnt say that my highland was fantastic and always got high conformation actually her conf just not that good. SO i would like you to point out where i said i expected to get a high conf mark just because of my show mark. All i was actually saying was that its a shame to get 3rd highest mark and then be dumped with the conf. I completley agree with the top pony its GORGEOUS and always goes fatastic (which is why its qual everything). The second pony didnt get second highest marks just to let you know so stop trying to have a go at me when you have twisted EVERYTHING i have said and its not just me that said the conf judge was a bit funny with her mark. Im not going to qualify hoys flat but i next year i might just have a go with workers. Who knows i might have more luck there.
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Post by no no no on Jul 22, 2007 11:39:59 GMT
why not just walk in and line up then Think judging this way is killing the art of showing ...why do we all try to find that pony with ' sparkle ' ? If they pull in any order you dont need any !!!! And what is wrong with a judge pulling in order and then judging it on a marks system ? At least they can see all the ponies go together and have an initial idea what they like ? A pony/horse should stand out to the judge(s) without having to be pulled in if they like it that much they will remember which one it is.
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Post by why on Jul 22, 2007 11:58:12 GMT
Ok then personally i was just making a point. Secondly i didnt say that my highland was fantastic and always got high conformation actually her conf just not that good. SO i would like you to point out where i said i expected to get a high conf mark just because of my show mark. All i was actually saying was that its a shame to get 3rd highest mark and then be dumped with the conf. I completley agree with the top pony its GORGEOUS and always goes fatastic (which is why its qual everything). The second pony didnt get second highest marks just to let you know so stop trying to have a go at me when you have twisted EVERYTHING i have said and its not just me that said the conf judge was a bit funny with her mark. Im not going to qualify hoys flat but i next year i might just have a go with workers. Who knows i might have more luck there. Whoa calm down there! I have not "twisted everything" you've said. You said that whatever the ride judge liked, the conf judge went against. And by then saying that you got the 3rd highest ride mark, you were implying that you would have expected to get a high conf mark too? Or else why make the statement that the conf judge went against everything the ride judge did? The point i was trying to make is that if both judges were doing their jobs properly, then no one should complain if they are independent and show little overlap. Obviously you hope that as judges they are both knowledgeable enough to pick up the same faults etc. and reward the same good points, but you can't complain if the two judge just happen to have differing tastes.
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Post by sam smith on Jul 22, 2007 12:32:45 GMT
On a positive note well done and well ridden to the girl on the winning connie.
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Post by hmmmm on Jul 22, 2007 13:14:03 GMT
Everyone likes to do well and i'm sure the girl that won the connie class is pleased to get through to hoys but at the end of the day all of the winners were "northern people" and most didn't deserve it especially the C winner that wrong legged it twice! There were far nicer connies that didn't get placed and personally watching the class i felt that there were other ponies that deserved the ticket more.
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Post by lincolstables on Jul 22, 2007 14:16:14 GMT
Well done..the connie went fab....Sorry if your against us Northern folks winning all the time!!! Seems to me IMO the best ponies are up North!!!
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Post by FR on Jul 22, 2007 15:19:43 GMT
PLEASE WHAT WON THE FIRST RIDDEN FULL SET OF RESULTS WOULD BE NICE THANKS
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Post by claire r on Jul 22, 2007 16:04:06 GMT
can some one tell me the full results for the SEc A's and B's please?
Thank you
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Post by The plot thickens on Jul 22, 2007 16:55:46 GMT
but at the end of the day all of the winners were "northern people" and most didn't deserve it especially the C winner that wrong legged it twice! There were far nicer connies that didn't get placed and personally watching the class i felt that there were other ponies that deserved the ticket more. yep I noticed that as well. Look after your own springs to mind.
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Post by pic on Jul 22, 2007 17:09:30 GMT
Pics are up on RTI, hmmm!
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Post by princess on Jul 22, 2007 17:23:49 GMT
I thought the judging was fantastic yesterday! I liked the fact the ponies were pulled in any order as its fairer and we don't see the marks desend from first to last. I also thought the show was well organised. Well done to everyone who qualified, some lovely ponies competed yesterday!
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Post by bad on Jul 22, 2007 18:29:27 GMT
how the hell can you say the judging was fantastic when the C wrong legged it TWICE i think you need to open your eyes. can someone please explain how a pony can qualify for HOYS when going so badly.
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Post by lesa on Jul 22, 2007 18:56:17 GMT
well done to danielle and sarah getting there ticket with oscar.x
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Post by phhm on Jul 22, 2007 19:24:02 GMT
Exactly "each look after their own" that was predictable though as it is generally the same whatever part your in.
I'd love to know what exactly the connie did that was fantastic??? It didn't seem to knock your socks off and others went so much better.
It will be interesting at HOYS as some ponies will look very poor compared to others.
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Post by guestsss on Jul 22, 2007 19:28:02 GMT
Well Done Judges for pulling in any order
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Post by axe to grind on Jul 22, 2007 19:29:20 GMT
It appears that one or two on this thread have an axe to grind against the ridden judge. Perhaps 49/50 from the conformation judge went someway towards the C winning!
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Post by my opinion on Jul 22, 2007 19:48:33 GMT
imo an automtic mark of 30 or less for ride if a pony goes on the wrong is about right. Didnt see any of the hoys so not commenting on how they went. I do know that people do get very upset when a pony qualifies for anything on the wrong leg.
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Post by MM on Jul 22, 2007 19:57:04 GMT
I would just like to comment that the judging was terrible alot of mistakes were being made and these ponies were being placed..... it appeared that it was the northern lot that were having the favours. some very nice ponies were being left in the back line. Congratulations to all that qualified everybody deserves a chance and a bit of luck , but the judges made fools of themselves and the only advise to them is that 'you should of gone to specsavers'.......
As to the people that made the preditions 'oh you so got it wrong' and i suggest you dont make the comments in future, you must feel really stupid..
Pulling in any order should be done its a mark system so it should not effect it..
It will be intresting to see the final at hoys this year as some very strange judging being going on this year, and yes i have one going and it wont look misplaced and got the ticket in a genuine way with no favours and the pony went well.
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Post by M M on Jul 22, 2007 19:59:57 GMT
The only Connie that got placed in the Torne Valley was 'Tyan Tudor Prince'
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Post by 4fun on Jul 22, 2007 20:15:46 GMT
please someone must have watched the M&M FR Who won???
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Post by not right on Jul 22, 2007 20:42:28 GMT
yes but the winning section C got 42 for its ride on 2 wrong legs surely thats not right. i think the highest ride mark in the Cs was 44 but not much higher! so he should of put the ride mark down alot lower than 42 come on its a HOYS class there were other ponies going 10 times better and getting lower ride marks. it obvious that the ride judge did not penalize the pony enough for its mistakes fair enough he must have really liked the pony but he did not put its ride mark much lower than the ponies who went foot perfect.
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