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Post by posh on Jul 23, 2007 18:22:41 GMT
STOPMONING !!!!!!!!I would prefer to go to Malvern i have been going for over 40 years but i don't think you realize its not the show ground that is the problem its getting there, you have to cross the river seven.
you are living in a dream you think this water will go, i know a lot of people in the area and they all are saying the same thing.
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Post by Lexy P on Jul 23, 2007 18:50:25 GMT
Why is Thursday too late ?
I am sure that the NPS committee and the others involved with the show ground and local representatives are thinking about all that needs to be done ! The unknown is the weather and what will happen this week, and forecast for next week.
There is obviously a chance that they think it will be ok (as backed up by my information from local resident on current status) or they would have cancelled it already. And since it will be a huge amount of cost and inconvenience try and postpone or re-locate, then surely it is sensible to wait until as late as possible to see if this can be avoided.
There is no "right" answer to this problem. All they can do is try and make the best of a bad situation.
At the end of the day even if it is cancelled - it is a horse show. It would be a real shame and I know lots of people (myself included) look forward to the event for many different reasons. But our lives will go on - and most of us are lucky enough to have dry homes to live in unlike many of the local residents !!
Lexy
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Post by Lexy P on Jul 23, 2007 18:52:45 GMT
From NPS Website:-
NPS Summer Championship Show 1st – 3rd August
Please be aware that a decision will be made on Thursday 26 July regarding the situation of the flooding in the vicinity of the Showground. This will take into account the conditions at that time.
This decision will be promptly reported on this Website. Please do not telephone the office in the meantime as there is no further news to give you.
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Post by concerned on Jul 23, 2007 19:03:37 GMT
I recently attended the shetland performance show at Malvern.
As previously stated the show did not use the normal rings because of the wet. They looked as if they had been ploughed they were so bad, so I don't know how "stopmoanin" can say it is "unpoached".
The field which is normally used for stables was so wet that the only 2 vehicles that attempted to park on it got stuck. The rest parked on roadsides.
Where is the hard standing at Malvern? I've never seen it.
I'm quite sure we all want this show to go ahead, but not at all costs if it means our vehicles and ponies let alone ourslves will suffer
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Post by van on Jul 23, 2007 19:20:08 GMT
Concerned, well done! Please everyone take note of this post. Its a show, thats all, one we all look forward to but at the end of the day if you are up to your knees in water and have no electrics or fresh water the last thing on your mind will be nps.
Be grateful that we are not them.
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Post by Bright Idea on Jul 23, 2007 20:01:56 GMT
What we need is a DYNAMIC Council or Show Committee with a positive attitude and the foresight to look at alternatives rather than sit and wait for more rain on Wednesday and decide on Thursday when half of them will be thinking about travelling to Hickstead.
They have had time since their last meeting and all weekend to check other showgrounds, the insurance issues,etc. Another venue is a possibility but it will have to be somewhere with good going. East of England would probably be the most sensible option as the stabling has to up for BSPS and the East is dryer. Kent would off the best weather, good rings, pavillion and will drain if it does rain.
It would take alot of work but it wouldn't be impossible to move the show from Malvern for a year. it might not nbe as polished but chances are it could be more fun.
The worst scenario would be to run the show for a few who dare risk their ponies and not refund the entries to those deciding not to travel. Doubt if they'd be that harsh.
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Post by dont specutlate on Jul 23, 2007 20:05:06 GMT
You have been asked not to speculate but you still do.
If the roads allow it I am sure the show will go on. Look at the Royal Welsh, everyone was condemming that. If you have a problem stay at home, its your choice, but dont condemn other competitors if they decide to go.
Logistically, I dont think it is possible to move a show of this size.
I will be keeping my fingers crossed. Lets work together and not summise, go and fill some sand bags if you have nothing better to do.
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Post by dont speculate on Jul 23, 2007 20:06:46 GMT
Bright Ideas, I suggest you put you name up for the council elections next year, i will nominate you.
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Post by Bright Idea on Jul 23, 2007 20:20:16 GMT
Council isn't an option for many workers. The NPS have very good contacts at East of England and the BSPS. Added to that Debbie Spears is a genius and would be capable of pulling the event out of the mud. If you don't try you don't get.
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Post by geographydegree on Jul 23, 2007 20:25:17 GMT
100's of people in Worcs and Glos have flooded homes, they have no power or water, the water treatment center at the heart of the area maybe out of action for up to 14 days and all you selfish lot can do is whinge on about a horse show, how pathetic and self centered! I was at the showground a few weeks ago on business, it was a quagmire in places. If it stopped raining tomorrow, it would not be bone dry,sorry to disappoint! Surface water drains off the Malvern Hills onto the flat lowlands and saturates the ground. Unless you have a degree in geology/geography or meteorology and fully understand the topography of the area, SHUT UP....the ground will not be suitable, put your energy into thinking about the people stuck in the middle of it rather than yourselves!
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Post by Wait on Jul 23, 2007 20:31:58 GMT
Bright Idea - do you not think the NPS council are not covering all angles - give them a break - people like you are so frustrating! IT'S A HORSE SHOW. Not the end of the world really is it? With all your hot air you could probably dry the whole of Worcester out! Rant over.
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Post by whp on Jul 23, 2007 20:32:34 GMT
who rattled your cage?we all know about poeple that have lost homes etc... but for some of us this show is our holiday and have worked bloody hard to qualify for the show,so i would just butt out.if the show goes ahead then it does weather or not it is held at malvern
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Post by whp on Jul 23, 2007 20:33:51 GMT
above post was for the geography degree nobody
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Post by Reality check on Jul 23, 2007 20:34:51 GMT
I cannot believe what i am reading !
You people are right to be concerned but at the end of the day its a horse show, just seen the channel 4 news and they have another 8 severe flood warnings for this week in Glouster and there are 350 thousand people without fresh water or power !
I for one think it would be irresponsible of the nps to run this show, the emergency services and volunteers have enough to do without the added worry of hundreds lorries and ponies travelling through these counties to get to the show!
And to a short message to the poster "stopmoaning",for the record iam simply airing a view!
I still have running water and power , my family and my horses are safe so with repect to the people that have lost everything think carefully before you accuse anyone of moaning a cancelled show in these circumstances is nothing !
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Post by dont speculate on Jul 23, 2007 20:37:20 GMT
Council isn't an option for many workers. Added to that Debbie Spears is a genius and would be capable of pulling the event out of the mud. If you don't try you don't get. Bright Idea, do you think that all council members dont work. I think many of them have full time jobs, take their holiday leave for the show and meetings, but they chose to work with their hands and minds not their tongues Its all about priorities, shut up or do something helpful. Dont put the onus on Debbie Spears she is a genius, but not a saint (well not yet anyway) bless her. What will happen will happen just stop going on about it. I know its the champs but at the end of the day as said above it is only a horse show and you are already pointing fingers at the NPS.
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Post by geographydegree on Jul 23, 2007 20:42:55 GMT
WHP......buy a dictionary!!
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Post by DM on Jul 23, 2007 20:46:05 GMT
I can not believe the thread!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I posted the news about the AHS national show being cancelled, little did I realise what a selfish lot SOME of you are. If you go on the the Arabian Lines web site, no one, and I mean no one is moaning about their champs being cancelled. They are all sad yes, but they seem to care what happens to their horses and the health and safety aspect. They are all looking forward to 2008. Yes its very sad if the NPS is cancelled but so what if it is, does the world end, from what some have said, it does!! there is always another year another NPS champs. Sorry but I get the impression that its s*d them whos flooded out, I want my rossette, my pony will be knee deep in mud, but hey I want my rossette, my pony has pulled a tendon but I got my rossette, any non horsey person reading this thread would be appalled by some of the comments. All I can say is I hope it is cancelled, and welcome to the real world, get a life, that does not revolve round a show in August, and again there is always another year, another show, a sound pony!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by posh on Jul 23, 2007 20:46:12 GMT
If the show is canceled fine, but i would like to know in time to book a flight as we have also worked very hard this year and need holiday.
I am extremely sorry for these people that are without water etc etc., if i could do something to help, i would, but i have no idea how to, yes it does sound petty to moan about a horse show but every thing is relevant, to ones self. If we moan or we don't it will not make a jot of difference to these people. I couldn't imagine what it must be like not knowing when all will be OK again and simple things in life are now the most important.
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Post by dont speculate on Jul 23, 2007 20:53:22 GMT
Posh I suggest you book a holiday to Hollywood and then you never know what may happen, the airport could be flooded, they were on Friday.
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Post by DM on Jul 23, 2007 20:56:50 GMT
So posh you would like a holiday? i am sure that the people who are flooed out would like to get away from it all to, just like my friend Carol Danvers who called me tonight to tell me that there lane is flooded, and not only is it flooded but her much awaited foal, who was only 3 months old, drounded last night because the water level rose so hight that they could not get to the mare and foal to rescue them. GET A LIFE.
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Post by well said on Jul 23, 2007 20:58:06 GMT
I can not believe the thread!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I posted the news about the AHS national show being cancelled, little did I realise what a selfish lot SOME of you are. If you go on the the Arabian Lines web site, no one, and I mean no one is moaning about their champs being cancelled. They are all sad yes, but they seem to care what happens to their horses and the health and safety aspect. They are all looking forward to 2008. Yes its very sad if the NPS is cancelled but so what if it is, does the world end, from what some have said, it does!! there is always another year another NPS champs. Sorry but I get the impression that its s*d them whos flooded out, I want my rossette, my pony will be knee deep in mud, but hey I want my rossette, my pony has pulled a tendon but I got my rossette, any non horsey person reading this thread would be appalled by some of the comments. All I can say is I hope it is cancelled, and welcome to the real world, get a life, that does not revolve round a show in August, and again there is always another year, another show, a sound pony!!!!!!!!!!!!! very well said, congratulations, i'm pleased i'm not the only one who feels like this. there all willing to spend a small fortune on the entry fees, diesel etc. but i bet not one if asked would have given that money to a charity to help people in need!
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Post by DM on Jul 23, 2007 20:59:53 GMT
Sorry for the spelling mistakes above but getting angry now.
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Post by posh on Jul 23, 2007 21:00:10 GMT
Not all airports i think you will find!!!!!!!!! Why Hollywood !!!!!!!!! your point is? ?
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Post by KT on Jul 23, 2007 21:05:14 GMT
because thats where the other self centered Posh has gone !!!!
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Post by posh on Jul 23, 2007 21:06:34 GMT
OH how right you are!!!!!!!
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Post by mara on Jul 23, 2007 21:07:49 GMT
I too am starting to feel pretty at the attitude some posters are taking. Just what sort of image is it going to present to non-horsey people when they get turfed out of the site buildings that are they're currently staying in as their homes are flooded out & then they see streams of shiny lorries turn up with equally shiny ponies/horses coming out of them? I can't exactly imagine many of them wishing you well & it would probably only encourage them even more to think we're all a load of snotty a*sed morons with more money than sense & that we deserved all we got with the hunting bill. Perhaps those of you who want a holiday should take your lorries down there & offer to help some of the people out - maybe then you'll realise just how ridiculous your whining is. Yea gods - I don't think I've ever come across such a bunch of selfish, self-absorbed whiners in all my life before. Some of us have barely had a season with RHS viruses, strangles scares & shows cancelled non-stop - we've accepted it & are already looking to next year instead.
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Post by KT on Jul 23, 2007 21:12:49 GMT
I can not believe the thread!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I posted the news about the AHS national show being cancelled, little did I realise what a selfish lot SOME of you are. If you go on the the Arabian Lines web site, no one, and I mean no one is moaning about their champs being cancelled. They are all sad yes, but they seem to care what happens to their horses and the health and safety aspect. They are all looking forward to 2008. Yes its very sad if the NPS is cancelled but so what if it is, does the world end, from what some have said, it does!! there is always another year another NPS champs. Sorry but I get the impression that its s*d them whos flooded out, I want my rossette, my pony will be knee deep in mud, but hey I want my rossette, my pony has pulled a tendon but I got my rossette, any non horsey person reading this thread would be appalled by some of the comments. All I can say is I hope it is cancelled, and welcome to the real world, get a life, that does not revolve round a show in August, and again there is always another year, another show, a sound pony!!!!!!!!!!!!! very well said, congratulations, i'm pleased i'm not the only one who feels like this. there all willing to spend a small fortune on the entry fees, diesel etc. but i bet not one if asked would have given that money to a charity to help people in need! Well said the people above as quoted I did not enter the NPS champs this year (have been for the last 12 years) having my wedding instead, see there is more to life than showing, for goodness sake just think how devestated the area is if they cancel it will be for a good enough reason not just to annoy you all. Its a show, peoples livelyhoods, homes etc are far more3 important than strutting round a show ring or living in a lorry for half a week!!!!!
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Post by Bright idea on Jul 23, 2007 21:39:09 GMT
As said before leave the Malvern showground for those who it can help. Agree the emergency services are there to support the community and not a show.
When the show is cancelled it'll give lots of ponies and everyone on here a week off. What has happened to all the people in Gloucester and its surrounds is dreadful as was what happened in Yorkshire.
If the show could be moved - and that still remains a possibility - then there would be nothing wrong with that. No doubt everyone would be willing make a gate contribution of £10 to go to help those flooded out and donate their prizemoney to assist those in need.
It's not only the areas we've heard about which are threatened, if the Thames barrier is closed to save London then many on the South East coast will suffer flooding which for political reasons is rarely reported by the media.
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Post by papahotchie on Jul 23, 2007 22:25:12 GMT
I would just like to make a couple of points that should be reflected by the individuals posting critisms on this thread.
1. Anyone who thinks that NPS Council members and Office staff have not been completely consumed with this issue, should try talking to one of them when they next bump into them on the circuit. In addition maybe you should ask them about all the free time that they give up to put on the Summer Championships, including taking a weeks holiday off work to ensure that things run smoothly. 2. The implication of moving a championship show of this size is a logistical nightmare....not only do you have to think about the number of people / horses etc to be accommodated, but in addition you need to understand that all booked "services" are regionally sourced, therefore any change impacts everything from temporary stables through to catering facilities.... 3. In addition to this all cancellations potentially come at a "cost" - therefore moving "regions" is not only logisitically difficult, but also financially crippling, especially for a "charity" 4. Moving "region" also has a huge impact on the people who have entered the championships.....the NPS Championships is considered a holiday by a lot of members, but entry decisions etc are often made with location in mind, therefore a 250mile change in venue has impact.
Hundreds of events have been effected by the freak weather, hundreds of lives have been effected by the freak weather.....and unfortunately no-one can wave a magic wand and fix it........
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Post by Guestless on Jul 23, 2007 22:45:10 GMT
Well said papahotchie. I think at that, we should stop the speculating and wait to see what the NPS has to say on Thursday. Perhaps until then some of you could reflect on what your lives would be like if you lived in one of the badly affected areas.
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