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Post by thatboythatgirl on Dec 16, 2014 11:25:00 GMT
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Post by Guestless on Dec 17, 2014 21:15:45 GMT
The Gatehouse Conquest and Champion Classic are also affected. Not many show hats except the older Charles Owen models that are PAS 015 approved. I love my Fionas
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Post by robrocks on Dec 17, 2014 21:46:11 GMT
The Gatehouse Conquest and Champion Classic are also affected. Not many show hats except the older Charles Owen models that are PAS 015 approved. I love my Fionas I'm a bit thick so easily confused. My Charles Owen h2000 is bs en 1384 and PAS015 on the label? What category does that come into? Thanks
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Post by Guestless on Dec 17, 2014 23:18:47 GMT
The Gatehouse Conquest and Champion Classic are also affected. Not many show hats except the older Charles Owen models that are PAS 015 approved. I love my Fionas I'm a bit thick so easily confused. My Charles Owen h2000 is bs en 1384 and PAS015 on the label? What category does that come into? Thanks You're fine cos it meets both standards. It's the BS EN1384 that is being withdrawn cos the EU couldn't reach agreement. If your hat is covered by the PAS standard, then it isn't affected.
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Post by lancs on Dec 22, 2014 6:40:01 GMT
We have a Fiona, does this mean we can't wear it now and need to get a new hat ? Have the showing society's banned it and are they going to check everyone's hats?
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Post by kirky on Dec 22, 2014 11:49:37 GMT
It appears that you will be ok for 2015 but the ban will come into effect with most societies in January 2016. Bloody EU, just because they can't reach a decision it's going to cost a lot of us a load of money, totally disgusted with them.
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Post by ilovenatives on Dec 22, 2014 13:17:28 GMT
I read a link that said hats already in manufacture are not affected as they don't take the kite mark away ? Maybe I misunderstood and need to look into this again especially as I was going to purchase a Fiona for my daughter soon .
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Post by Guestless on Dec 22, 2014 18:36:40 GMT
I read a link that said hats already in manufacture are not affected as they don't take the kite mark away ? Maybe I misunderstood and need to look into this again especially as I was going to purchase a Fiona for my daughter soon . They don't take the kite mark away but certain societies have already confirmed that by 2016, hats with the EN 1384 mark will not be accepted for their events. If you buy your daughter a Fiona, she can wear it this year but showing societies may follow suit and advise it cannot be used for their affiliated classes. After 2015, using the Fiona for hacking, lessons, etc will probably still be okay unless lessons are on a BHS-approved yard in which case you she won't be able to use it. That doesn't mean the hat isn't safe, just that they are working on another standard which they say may be 2 years away from now....and the Fiona could still meet but obviously can't meet it until the criteria is agreed.
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Post by ilovenatives on Dec 22, 2014 21:36:48 GMT
Thanks for clarification on that guestless , my daughter will probably need a new hat again by the time show season starts 2016 anyway . Could do with the neater slimline hat for next year as daughter just starting to look a bit tall on her Shetland and I think the Fiona will help the overall picture .
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Post by comanchediva on Dec 22, 2014 22:07:23 GMT
Bear with me if I'm being stupid but here goes...
The company I work for manufactures window blinds. The EU brought in a new standard so manufacturers adapted their products to comply with the standard.
It's the same principle I think, so why can't Charles Owen adapt the hat to meet the standard? Or will complying with the standard change the appearance and shape of the Fiona completely?
Just a thought...
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Post by Guestless on Dec 22, 2014 23:16:28 GMT
It's the same principle I think, so why can't Charles Owen adapt the hat to meet the standard? Or will complying with the standard change the appearance and shape of the Fiona completely? From what I've read, it relates to the ventilation that the Fiona offers - this isn't covered by the PAS regulation which is why it doesn't have that as a standard as well as the EN one. If you've ever worn a Fiona, you will be aware that it is MUCH cooler to wear than the other Charles Owen show hats but unfortunately that advantage is one of the things that stops it meeting the required criteria. As I said earlier, there WILL be a new standard but it's not been agreed yet so until it is decided, the Fiona will fall foul of the deregulation.
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Post by rummy on Dec 23, 2014 20:47:32 GMT
I have a charles owen 4* which has ventilation and its PAS covered. I'm not sure what the criteria is but I was lucky to get a PAS showing hat last year as well! I have a just toggs www.justtogshelmets.co.uk/products/product.php?pid=39. Which I find ok! I tend to stick to showjumping hats, they seem to be a little cheaper imo!
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Post by sjw87 on Dec 24, 2014 6:04:56 GMT
If I remember correctly from when I did hat fitting training, the PAS 015 was a British standard dedeveloped before the EU standard was introduced.
The standards relate to impact, crushing, penetration damage and coverage of the head.
When the BSEN1384 standard was brought in, it actually had lower criteria than the PAS015 so in essence whilst a BSEN1384 hat is adequate, the PAS015 gives better protection, particularly for higher risk activities such as jumping.
What that means is a hat with PAS015 will always meet BSEN1384 too hence having both standards on the label whilst a BSEN1384 does not have to have met the PAS015 in the past (like the Fiona) until these regulations are brought in.
Kitemarking is different - it just shows that the manufacturer has sufficiently tested the hat to prove it meets whatever standard they it claim it does.
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Post by maddiesmum on Dec 24, 2014 8:56:35 GMT
That's how I understood it to, as my mum would never allow me to have a "showing" hat always had the showjumper ones as they met the higher PAS standard. Now I am a mum myself I understand!!!!
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Post by sundance20 on Dec 25, 2014 6:12:10 GMT
I'm not sure what I'm going to do come 2016, the Fiona is the only velvet hat that fit my head! Although you never know I might have fully converted to dressage or jumping by then
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Post by cholderton on Dec 29, 2014 22:02:01 GMT
British Dressage are only allowing the Fiona for the 2015 season, then it will not be allowed at competitions.
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Post by shelliewilson on Dec 30, 2014 19:33:48 GMT
I am currently selling my daughters fiona due to her outgrowing it, obviously I want to buy a hat to replace it but I'm going to avoid the fiona if it's no longer useable after next season, does anyone have any recommendations on other hats that are as nice but obviously approved?
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Post by clueless on Jan 6, 2015 10:46:57 GMT
The h2000 will be the neatest but chunkier than the Fiona, the Fiona would need to beef up to pass the pas015 standard making it look more like the h2000 anyway. Anyone doing workers ect have a look at the Wellington classic, not sure it's right for flat classes but its a really nice hat. The h2000sq is also legal as is the showjumper xp. Whilst I understand people saying the can't remove everyone's hat to check, the majority of fitters can tell you what your wearing as you trot past..... We need to get a life! Lol
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Post by gobby on Jan 8, 2015 20:58:21 GMT
Just started a thread about this in guest area!
Was looking at the co show jumper xp as an alternative.like someone else has said,I'm a taller girl on a smaller pony and didnt want anything too bulky. What do people think of these?
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Post by Guestless on Jan 8, 2015 23:25:03 GMT
Just started a thread about this in guest area! Was looking at the co show jumper xp as an alternative.like someone else has said,I'm a taller girl on a smaller pony and didnt want anything too bulky. What do people think of these? That's what I used to use before I got my Fiona. They are fine for the show ring.
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Post by gobby on Jan 9, 2015 10:04:42 GMT
Do u have a pic I could see please guestless with it on
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Post by diadem on Jan 9, 2015 10:21:02 GMT
Am gutted, got one still in box, found a friend that wanted it, but I doubt she still does now, if so I'm gonna cut the straps off n use it for in hand
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Post by clueless on Jan 9, 2015 14:31:40 GMT
For a neater look on a small pony have a look at the Hampton too, its neater than the xp which can look a bit bulkier in front in any size over a 65/8.
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Post by titch on Jan 9, 2015 14:37:31 GMT
I love the hampton I have a brown one a blue one and a grey one.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 9, 2015 14:53:08 GMT
Do u have a pic I could see please guestless with it on Here's one - I've got quite a small head and the deep crowned hats look totally ridiculous on me (but I know they suit others). The hat is labelled as a SJ2000 but I think that has now been renamed as the SJ XP - someone will know if that's wrong!
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Post by clueless on Jan 9, 2015 14:57:08 GMT
Guestless I'm will to bet that's the older version of the showjumper... The 2000 not the xp. This was re-named the h2000. They then do the very high crown the h2000 sq.
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Post by clueless on Jan 9, 2015 14:57:48 GMT
The button is further forward on a xp. The h2000 is a better shape.
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Post by titch on Jan 9, 2015 16:16:07 GMT
I have a very old h2000 looked good but squished my forehead.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 9, 2015 18:59:23 GMT
Guestless I'm will to bet that's the older version of the showjumper... The 2000 not the xp. This was re-named the h2000. They then do the very high crown the h2000 sq. Yes, I said on the post that it's labelled as the SJ2000 So that's the H2000 now? I may go back to one of them if the new standard doesn't cover the Fiona. I'll still be gutted though as my head stays lovely and cool in the Fiona, but sweats like blazes in other velvet hats lol!
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Post by clueless on Jan 10, 2015 10:09:53 GMT
Yes that's classed as a h2000, the liner in the Fiona is thinner and the headband is a different material so that could make a difference? Although if you get hot the Wellington has hidden ventilation.
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