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Post by horselad_21 on Mar 29, 2015 21:53:35 GMT
Extremely out of order to list names of people that are on his Facebook page without consideration to why?! Nothing to say that they are supporting him like others have said they may not be frequent Facebook users or even know how to delete friends on Facebook.
Totally unacceptable in my book!!! Go and talk about people behind their backs but don't name them on here for what's coming across as you trying to get some attention.
What's done is done and i'm sorry but there is nothing that anyone of us can do!! It's quite pathetic really!
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Post by Guestless on Mar 29, 2015 23:01:49 GMT
It's one thing to discuss a case that has gone through court and I'm happy to let that continue as long as people do not get libellous. However, I do think naming people who are friends with an individual on FB is a step too far and I am therefore deleting the names on the list. Some people don't visit FB very often and it is unfair if assumptions are made which could be totally incorrect. It's not good netiquette to bring things to one site from another in any case.
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Post by Philippa on Mar 30, 2015 2:27:55 GMT
I also feel the post is out of order, if people wish to contact his 'friends' directly then do so but do not bring the FB issue on here. I was a 'friend' of DH on FB until recently but it was MY CHOICE to remove him. I would have been horrified to read on here that I was in support of his actions just because he was an acquaintance.
*** Sorry GL, I posted without seeing your reply, I was on my way to remove it too!!**
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Post by horselad_21 on Mar 30, 2015 6:40:46 GMT
My apologies if anyone thinks my post is out of order or offends anyone. It was not meant to come across that way. I was mad about what I had read as I know a number of those people that were mentioned on a personal level!
I just want to say one more thing.. This Liza/Lisa (wouldn't want to get name incorrect) these people you have mentioned in your post have worked incredibly hard to get to the places they are weather that's a producer or a judge or both and your reckless action of linking them to this man could have serious effects.
The post was posted without any consideration towards the people you have named and without any care towards the repercussions that it may have on the people named! I am glad that HG have seen that this is a step to far and have deleted the post/names.
Facebook is a horrible thing and I have not been on this for over 12 months for my own personal reasons. Its very sad that someone has passed judgement on other people by who they are friends with on Facebook! Facebook is not the bible but its coming across that way!
Next time please think before you start naming people!! It does no one any favors!
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Post by Philippa on Mar 30, 2015 7:05:03 GMT
I wasn't referring to your post. It was the name one I was referring to.
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Post by Herewego on Mar 30, 2015 8:25:39 GMT
I am his friend on Facebook does that mean i am also classed as a supporter then... No! no i am not i do not support him, i too would be very miffed if my name was brought into a thread for being a friend on fb, i have people adding me all the time i see they have a horse i accept don't think about it i have over 4000 friends on Facebook do i know half of them no not a clue if they annoy me i will delete! Have you thought that people will be keeping him on Facebook to see if justice is made and all these ponies are given the homes they truly deserve..oh and what sh** excuse he makes when all this doeskin blow over and he loses his case. I don't care about him one bit but i do want to know if all these ponies are re homed or what does actually happen to them and after ive said my piece he wont be my friends on Facebook as i too will be blocked from this vile waste of space.
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Post by amsorry on Mar 30, 2015 10:30:14 GMT
well said Lisa also one of the HOYS Judges for M and M at this years Monmouth show!!!!!!!!!
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Post by LizaRakovic on Mar 30, 2015 12:30:59 GMT
Which bit of the word FRIEND have I misunderstood then?
If my BEST friend had been found guilty of causing suffering or death by neglect or cruelty, let alone aaquateance, I would be putting as much distance between myself and them and their name.
The names posted are a matter of public record as they are on a public facebook page.
As I have already said before being a friend to this twice convicted man you have public stated FRIEND of David Hinde. If you are not his friend then why are you listed?
And I couldn't care less about how hard these people have worked to get their they are as a judge. If my publishing their names on here as his friend is going to effect that then it could only be because it is deemed as doing something wrong by the said association or society.
If I am deemed wrong by the association or society then it will not.
If being his FRIEND was no big deal then why all the defensive outrage?
Ranks closing rapidly as usual. I will let all offended people carry on finding reasons to be his friend other than being his FRIEND.
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Post by Jenna on Mar 30, 2015 14:00:58 GMT
seems like your just trying to cause an arguement, being a FRIEND on facebook does not mean they are FRIENDS in really life as many have said!!!!!
Your getting boring now
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Post by Stunned and very worried! on Mar 30, 2015 14:08:22 GMT
I have worked very hard to bring this man to justice and to get this case the publicity it deserves,(along with a few close friends who have been equally disgusted by this mans treatment of animals), and I was very pleased to see that someone, (not me as I hadn`t thought about Horse Gossip, sorry guys), had put it all onto Horse Gossip for all to see as it is one of the few mediums where the truth can be spoken without the posts being immediately removed by over zealous admin`, I would hate for this thread to now be removed because of the naming of names as I believe this forum is one of the few places the truth will be able to be aired when all this horrendous situation is finalised, and to let all of you people know what has really happened, so please, as angry as it gets you, please do not name names who are `friends` with David Hinde.
LizaRakovic, I fully understand where you are coming from as I too have been horrified by some of the people who are supporting him, but I don`t just mean by being `friends` on Facebook, I mean those `friends` who are ACTIVELY supporting him, and that I mean vocalising and putting into print their encouragement and congratulating him when he didn`t receive a custodial sentence, THEY are the `friends` I am angry with, though I notice that they too have reduced dramatically in the last week so perhaps people are now actually listening to what the actual truth is, rather than believing the rantings and simperings (in equal measure) of a deranged , and let`s face it, a cruel man who is depserately trying to cling onto what he sees as having given him such `kudos` over the year! He is isnt going to win his appeal, that`s plain for all to see...except him of course!
Can I also make the point though that you do not have to be a `friend` of David Hinde to see the whole of his Facebook page as he has it open to `public` in order that he can glean as much support as he can! That said, should he decide to change it from public, I can assure you all that I will give you the truth of everything that happens, as and when it does so.
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Post by Philippa on Mar 30, 2015 14:20:12 GMT
Very well said. I think people need to realise the common ground we all have here is that actually we are all singing off the same hymnsheet regardless of whether we are on his FB list or not.
I've not yet seen any one of his FB supporters post their reasoning behind it on here. If they so wish then let them do that.
I am all for preserving good bloodlines and would have no problems in DH selling or signing over his prefix and ponied to someone who truly wants to preserve the stud name and lines but on doing so he then relinquishes ALL connections and has absolutely no influence or attachment.
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Post by Watching on Mar 30, 2015 14:43:26 GMT
I'm not a member on here but I come to have a look sometimes at what is going on in the horse world. I completely agree that this thread should not be removed this is to important to the horse community to do so. I also agree names do not need to be posted on here although I do know for a fact that quite a lot of the well know names are personal friends of his. That aside I do not intend to name them here nor anywhere else. It is utterly sickening to hear DH whining on regarding his situation but it is all of his own making and how much better for all the animals concerned it would have been if he had received a custodial sentence.
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Post by Guestless on Mar 30, 2015 16:00:02 GMT
Which bit of the word FRIEND have I misunderstood then? If my BEST friend had been found guilty of causing suffering or death by neglect or cruelty, let alone aaquateance, I would be putting as much distance between myself and them and their name. The names posted are a matter of public record as they are on a public facebook page. Ranks closing rapidly as usual. I will let all offended people carry on finding reasons to be his friend other than being his FRIEND. I think it is fair to say that the term "friend" on FB can be used very loosely and certainly does not mean you are BEST friends with someone! While his page remains public, yes his friends' list is also public and there is therefore nothing to stop anyone going on FB and looking for themselves. You can continue to see removal of the names as us "closing ranks" but, frankly dear, I don't give a d**n! This thread was pulled earlier by Admin, but it has been agreed to give it a second go. If people start down the road of pointing fingers at anyone that has not been named in the press, then it will be taken down.
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Post by Well done admin on Apr 1, 2015 11:02:04 GMT
I would like to applaud admin! The voice of reason!! I wholeheartedly agree with the topic but naming and shaming is on step too far.
Bring friends on FB is a loose term. I have 'friends' on FB I haven't seen for 15 years and probably never will do again - shall I delete them just because of this?! Do I even know who they are?!? Have I ever bothered to delete them?!? No because I do not live my life my FB!!
Social media has a lot to answer for and people read far too deeply into things on FB - I'm actually suprised it hasn't started a war !!! Well I suppose it has on here!
I do not for one minute condone animal cruelty but naming and shaming 'friends' ?!? Really?!?
I have had people say hello to me at a show and afew days later had a friend request - I suppose this has never happened to anyone else. This does not mean they are my 'friend'
I couldn't give a hoot who his 'friends' are on Facebook ! The people standing by him and the people who he deems his friends know who they are. They are not under assumption - but the FB friends are?!?
People have stated the problem they have with HIM let's not drag everyone else into it shall we?!? Friends or not..why not address the people you have a problem with directly instead of on here between yourselves?!?
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Post by catkin on Apr 2, 2015 12:40:35 GMT
I too think the use of the term 'friend' cannot be taken literally in the social media context. Consider, for example, that businesses have FB profiles with 'friends'. Posititve, supportive statements are something else entirely.
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Post by mcnaughty on Apr 2, 2015 13:38:40 GMT
I'm not sure about a blanket removal of judges and members .... but if I was the chairperson of a showing council and I found some of my panel judges approving and protecting such a person as this I would definitely be having a firm word in their ear and a certain account of drawing over warmish coals! It is not acceptable behaviour to support a SECOND time around convicted animal abuser if you yourself is heavily involved (ie judging) said animals!
Seriously, I am shocked and appalled by this news!
Oh and I see that some of you are opting for 'guest' log ins - sorry, cowardly. If you are happy to post on a discussion such as this then you should be happy to show your face!
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Post by catkin on Apr 8, 2015 8:48:04 GMT
Does anyone know what has happened to the ponies? I think they had 21 days to sort things out on 19 March
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Post by Philippa on Apr 8, 2015 10:52:53 GMT
Several have been getting 'shipped out' over the last few weeks. Not sure how many are left.
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Post by bigmama on Apr 8, 2015 12:34:43 GMT
Perhaps folk need to be more careful who they accept as general 'friends' on the internet. I mean, if a known axe murderer asked to be your FB friend, would you accept? Pleading ignorance to knowing about someone 'friended' on the internet is not an excuse, it is an individual's person responsibility to know who they are 'friending' before they click the accept button
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Post by LizaRakovic on Apr 8, 2015 17:48:57 GMT
Absolutely agree. To friend someone is to to connect to them. Generally I freind or accept friendship to enable me to converse with them and "like" their posts. I know I upset people by posting names and I accept that perhaps this was s step to far. But I am sorry, I remain disgusted that so many, too many remain connected by association on fb. Take a look. They represent many many people who stand as promoters of all things good about horsemanship. Some run businesses off the back of equines, others purport to be at the top of the game competition wise or stand in judgement of others efforts and animals.... How can they ignore the fact that he has been convicted twice..maybe they are so blinkered they just don't believe the courts or the photos?
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Post by sleepyhead on Apr 8, 2015 18:24:14 GMT
Liza I too felt very uncomfortable with your posting of names but I do understand where you were coming from, I too am rather "old-fashioned" as it were and only accept friends requests from people who I actually know(and like!) or are friends of friends. It does seem as though the creep may have finally crawled back under his stone as he has gone very quiet on his face book page. Emotions were running very high but I really think that once the frenzy that he whipped up has died down he will be seen for the lowlife he really is and a lot of people will be embarrassed at being sucked into self-pitying drivel even if they don't admit it!
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Post by Guestless on Apr 8, 2015 22:44:25 GMT
Absolutely agree. To friend someone is to to connect to them. Generally I freind or accept friendship to enable me to converse with them and "like" their posts. I know I upset people by posting names and I accept that perhaps this was s step to far. But I am sorry, I remain disgusted that so many, too many remain connected by association on fb. Take a look. They represent many many people who stand as promoters of all things good about horsemanship. Some run businesses off the back of equines, others purport to be at the top of the game competition wise or stand in judgement of others efforts and animals.... How can they ignore the fact that he has been convicted twice..maybe they are so blinkered they just don't believe the courts or the photos? Your definition of friend could be totally different from someone else's and I really don't think it is right to stand in judgement since you have no way of knowing why some people have not chosen to unfriend him. I reiterate that if this thread turns into some sort of witch hunt, then it will be locked so please keep it on topic and stop banging the same old drum!
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Post by springtimes on Apr 9, 2015 6:28:22 GMT
Several have been getting 'shipped out' over the last few weeks. Not sure how many are left. Has he actually seen sense and sold them does anyone know? I have a few friends desperate to get their old mares back or have they just been moved elsewhere like last time?
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Post by LizaRakovic on Apr 9, 2015 7:28:44 GMT
I understood the topic of the thread was "why are people still supporting this man" Apparently we cannot discuss those as a group who are?! I give up!!!
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Post by Philippa on Apr 9, 2015 7:48:51 GMT
I understood the topic of the thread was "why are people still supporting this man" Apparently we cannot discuss those as a group who are?! I give up!!! Discussing the generalisation of 'people' is fine but to name people who are associated to him on a social media site is not ok. Simples!!!!
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Post by Philippa on Apr 9, 2015 7:50:36 GMT
Several have been getting 'shipped out' over the last few weeks. Not sure how many are left. Has he actually seen sense and sold them does anyone know? I have a few friends desperate to get their old mares back or have they just been moved elsewhere like last time? Not that I'm aware. I think they are just being moved!!!!!
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Post by bigmama on Apr 9, 2015 8:54:37 GMT
It is an individual's choice of who they befriend/support and to question their own morals if they are supporting a person who has been proved in court to have broken the law.
People are answerable to themselves
A public witch-hunt/naming is not the way
Be true to thyself
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Post by LizaRakovic on Apr 9, 2015 12:01:21 GMT
I think if you re-read my post you will find I actually acknowledged the fact that naming was a step too far and have not tried to name anyone since. my post was a generilsed statement Of a group of people.
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Post by Guestless on Apr 9, 2015 14:19:29 GMT
I think if you re-read my post you will find I actually acknowledged the fact that naming was a step too far and have not tried to name anyone since. my post was a generilsed statement Of a group of people. A generalised statement which stereotypes people when you have no knowledge of the whys. As has been said on here several times, there is a BIG difference between those who are his FB friends and those who are vocally offering support. You don't need to agree with that, but you have been asked (more than once) to move on from trying to besmirch a group of individuals without any evidence. For the last time, please either move the topic away from that or it will be locked. This is one of the few places where people have an opportunity to discuss what is happening. If you ruin it for the others, then you will no longer be welcome to come on the site to offer your opinion.
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Post by supes on Apr 9, 2015 23:13:06 GMT
I understand that he is doing the same as he did the last time he was banned and is moving ponies about and `changing ownership`, when in reality, he will still own them! He has no intention of allowing the ponies to be re-homed, he is a selfish arrogant man who despite everything, STILL thinks he is above the Law! He has learnt NOTHING! This deluded, deranged, being, believes he has done nothing wrong, therefore, he will change nothing and he will not relinquish ownership of the ponies as he mistakenly believes they will still give him `status` and `kudos` in the pony world! I fear that before too long we will be seeing the same story in the press again when another of his animals starves to death or dies of neglect :-( Leopards don`t change their spots and this person has never shown any remorse for what he has done multiple times now!He has had many offers to buy ponies, and to re-home the older ones, but he doesn`t want to know...I believe the ponies would be better off with anyone but him now!
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