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Post by forester on Apr 19, 2016 17:13:08 GMT
Yes. Bsps rang me yesterday afternoon to say the winner had been disqualified and that as I was 2nd I now have the qualification
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Post by alm701 on Apr 19, 2016 17:56:06 GMT
Fab news, Well Done Rhi!!x
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Post by forester on Apr 19, 2016 19:00:55 GMT
Fab news, Well Done Rhi!!x Thanks Hun x
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Post by Philippa on Apr 19, 2016 19:28:17 GMT
Well done.
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Post by ilovenatives on Apr 19, 2016 21:18:05 GMT
Well done on qualifying but such a shame you didn't get your moment on the day , that's the best part of qualifying . My daughter was in the class as well , ours was the palomino who acted a numpty in his show due to an incident with a dove flying in his face in the open earlier . I think he thought doves were going to jump out on him from every corner lol .
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Post by forester on Apr 19, 2016 21:55:13 GMT
Frustrating I didn't get the win at the show but heyhk atleast Bsps acted very quickly. At one point I thought I was going to tread on the dove it wouldn't move!!!
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Post by sarahp on Apr 20, 2016 6:01:48 GMT
There used to be doves in one of out unaff dressage venues. Story has it that one competitor did tread on one and kill it without even breaking rhythm of their trot. Trot, trot, trot, splat, trot, trot............
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Post by catkin on Apr 20, 2016 12:22:51 GMT
I totally agree regarding the aunt point. Only one step away from a mother, surely?
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 20, 2016 12:42:13 GMT
With the immediate family rule wouldn't that rule out ponies on loan?
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Post by catkin on Apr 20, 2016 13:28:50 GMT
not if you had a bsps lease agreement
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Post by We all know on Apr 20, 2016 18:15:56 GMT
Don't make me laugh. It's obvious why David Marsden led the pony prior to the pretty polly class. Ringside had a great chat regarding how to use legal but morally incorrect tactics and felt if we were as corrupt we would also promote our pony this way !
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Post by oh really on Apr 20, 2016 18:39:00 GMT
so then, "we all know " not jealous at all.
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Post by We all know on Apr 20, 2016 19:17:26 GMT
Unfortunately due to your connections David I would not call you and give my name as I would be more likely than not never get placed again,so rightly or wrongly, morally or corrupted I shall stay hidden behind a guest name. I sure you can appreciate my reasons
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Post by We all know on Apr 20, 2016 20:18:33 GMT
No slander written on the posts. I certainly am not jelous as I'm 100% with my daughters pony and have never had anyone else lead it as we just enjoy all aspects of pony life and showing is not the end and being of my life. My daughter thrives and it's not my dream it is my daughters to get a red rosette. Personally can't stand the corruption so have just stopped doing county last month and have bought her a racing pony. Far more fun!
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Post by oh really on Apr 20, 2016 20:39:12 GMT
so she has gone from lead rein to racing !!!!!! how bizarre, or are you just trying to put people off the scent, because they have a pretty good idea who you are !!!!!!
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Post by pinkypie on Apr 20, 2016 20:41:19 GMT
God - I don't know what you are all complaining about if all David did was lead the pony.............In our PP class last Sunday at Area 15, Elliee Stunt, a fairly well known Show rider rode the pony Rhosyr Elizabeth in for the child, ring coached her and accompanied her into the ring. There were of course loads of complaints - well you would be a bit miffed wouldn't you? A show rider that has ridden for many top producers, there, performing all aspects of show and ring production and completely legit. They won and took the Championship - and according to BSPS the result will stand because apparently, if your Professional Trainer only works for you - which I believe she does, you are allowed to participate in the PP classes. Although not many people know that because nowhere in the rules does it say this. Basing your decision on unwritten rules is an interesting concept but there you go - all you people that thought it was not above board - it was rubber stamped by BSPS. Even though totally above board and legit - I still think this trumps David's little lead rein debate!
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Post by We all know on Apr 20, 2016 20:44:16 GMT
Not sure what scent you mean? Are you going to hunt me down? Hence my earlier reply re being a guest. I think that could be classed as a threat my fellow guest
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Post by oh really on Apr 20, 2016 21:01:32 GMT
Threat !!!!!! i think my dear you are paranoid,
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Post by We all know on Apr 20, 2016 21:06:49 GMT
Oh really. It is clearly written. Please be aware I am not yor dear with the grammar you use
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Post by forester on Apr 20, 2016 21:53:21 GMT
Pinkypie
Mine was also at area 15.
Unfortunately PP is mother father sister brother and no one else so David wouldnt in fact be able to lead the pony so therefore unable to do PP
The winner of my class (now disqualified) has had someone else ride her pony since the 1st March hence the disqualification Bsps were very quick on the matter
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Post by Maddies Mum NLI on Apr 20, 2016 22:35:53 GMT
Pinkypie Mine was also at area 15. Unfortunately PP is mother father sister brother and no one else so David wouldnt in fact be able to lead the pony so therefore unable to do PP The winner of my class (now disqualified) has had someone else ride her pony since the 1st March hence the disqualification Bsps were very quick on the matter [ That is my interpretation of the rules, and I was told the same by the BSPS office when I rang up to question my own situation. A friends daughter rode my Dartmoor in off the lead classes at a BSPS show for me, meaning that he is not eligible for PP as she is not in my immediate family. In addition to that if I let Maddie ride him at a show then that would disqualify us totally with all ponies, as she would have ridden a pony that has been shown by someone else. The office are really helpful if you ring them. As for the comment on Ellie Stunt, I don't know her employment status at the moment, but if that is the only family she works for then it is within the rules. She comes from a lovely local family to me, and I know wouldn't break rules intentionally. I think this is a great forum, but the bit*hy/witch hunt theme on this friend is really not necessary.
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Post by maddiesmum on Apr 20, 2016 22:50:10 GMT
Logged in now! Wanted to add I was in the class where Marigold qualified, so dispute the comment that it was the talk of the ringside??!! As I didn't hear anything about it?? They definetly deserved to win the class, from reading the above comments perhaps not eligible on a technicality, which would be a huge shame for a little girl! Fail to see why the original poster would create a thread rather than speak to BSPS for clarification??!!!
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Post by ta on Apr 21, 2016 5:35:51 GMT
I believe that BSPS are aware that their rules are flawed and from the conversation I had with them there will be major rule changes next year which will prevent "private producers" next year. They were sympathetic and understanding of the frustration felt by those of us at area 15 this week and whilst the family concerned are "within the rules" they have not entered into the Pretty Polly classes in the "spirit of the competition" I.e. home produced by the family, which is what this competition is all about. I am sure that family and trainer/producer are very nice people and technically they have done nothing wrong if you look at the rules, but morally it's wrong, pretty polly is about family working together and it saddens me to see genuine home produced families being robbed of their moment of glory.
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Post by Philippa on Apr 21, 2016 5:47:46 GMT
But surely the fact of the matter here is that David DID NOT lead Marigold in the ring Sadie did!!!
Good god you bitter people get a life or ring the BSPS.
I was in the ring with Sadie & Marigold only a couple of weeks ago. She won one class beating me and I won a class beating her. There was no 'hoof oil at twenty paces!' We all had a lovely day and if I were happy to be beaten it would be by a pony like Marigold who went beautifully.
It's the first time I've met Sadie & Marigold so no hidden agenda here before you start.
Just go and enjoy your shows for gods sake or go pony racing and leave us to enjoy them.
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 21, 2016 6:56:13 GMT
They rule out genuinely home produced families anyway as they don't include aunt/uncles in there ruling which is a blood relative closer related than a step father/mother
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Post by chloesmum on Apr 21, 2016 7:52:24 GMT
Gosh!! This just reiterates my earlier comment at start of this thread that PP classes cause more arguments, complaints and moaning than any other classes each year and no matter how hard BSPS try to amend rules each year, making them ever more complicated in my view it does not seem to help or please people! Good Luck to BSPS with next years 'amendments'!! Perhaps the class conditions could go to Area Committees/members for views and debate and maybe alternatives considered e.g. Restricted or other suggestions that catkin had. Maybe time for a total rethink. I can see it ending up as please produce your birth/marriage certificate, proof of ownership and signed document that no one else has touched your pony in the last year!!!!! Sorry that is a joke or is it???
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Post by sarahp on Apr 21, 2016 8:34:40 GMT
And mine that it's impossible to write rules for HP that are fair to all, there are so many possible scenarios to cover.
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Post by forester on Apr 21, 2016 8:41:51 GMT
But surely the fact of the matter here is that David DID NOT lead Marigold in the ring Sadie did!!! Good god you bitter people get a life or ring the BSPS. I was in the ring with Sadie & Marigold only a couple of weeks ago. She won one class beating me and I won a class beating her. There was no 'hoof oil at twenty paces!' We all had a lovely day and if I were happy to be beaten it would be by a pony like Marigold who went beautifully. It's the first time I've met Sadie & Marigold so no hidden agenda here before you start. Just go and enjoy your shows for gods sake or go pony racing and leave us to enjoy them. David Led the pony at Bsps winner champs which was after the 1st March so yes they have broken the rules
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 21, 2016 8:58:56 GMT
Gosh!! This just reiterates my earlier comment at start of this thread that PP classes cause more arguments, complaints and moaning than any other classes each year and no matter how hard BSPS try to amend rules each year, making them ever more complicated in my view it does not seem to help or please people! Good Luck to BSPS with next years 'amendments'!! Perhaps the class conditions could go to Area Committees/members for views and debate and maybe alternatives considered e.g. Restricted or other suggestions that catkin had. Maybe time for a total rethink. I can see it ending up as please produce your birth/marriage certificate, proof of ownership and signed document that no one else has touched your pony in the last year!!!!! Sorry that is a joke or is it??? I intend to talk to our area chairman about discussing the immediate family ruling and possible exception to circumstances. I've known alot of people on our committee sInce I was a child and most would think it would be unfair to penalise us because it aunty and niece team rather than mother daughter
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Post by Philippa on Apr 21, 2016 9:36:57 GMT
But surely the fact of the matter here is that David DID NOT lead Marigold in the ring Sadie did!!! Good god you bitter people get a life or ring the BSPS. I was in the ring with Sadie & Marigold only a couple of weeks ago. She won one class beating me and I won a class beating her. There was no 'hoof oil at twenty paces!' We all had a lovely day and if I were happy to be beaten it would be by a pony like Marigold who went beautifully. It's the first time I've met Sadie & Marigold so no hidden agenda here before you start. Just go and enjoy your shows for gods sake or go pony racing and leave us to enjoy them. David Led the pony at Bsps winner champs which was after the 1st March so yes they have broken the rules Ah ok. But again if someone has a problem surely by contacting BSPS rather than coming on here and slating people it would all be cleared up in an instant as was your own situation at weekend. I'm very much of the opinion that these classes should just be done away with. They cause more hassle than they seem to be worth.
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