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Post by janetbushell on Apr 22, 2016 12:13:49 GMT
Must of gotten confused with something else, but it does also state that 2 seperate letter must be received by two different adult members from different families. Agree with the showing register, there is no real solution There do appear to have been more than two people on this forum thread who are not happy with some of the entrants in PP classes, and I would assume that some of them may be adults, but as I said before - people need to read the rules & check with BSPS if they are unsure, before they enter these classes.
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Post by catkin on Apr 22, 2016 13:47:13 GMT
I must support janetbushell's sensible advice. It would also appear that this thread started with a general observation on rules (which many of us find unworkable/unfair/unrepresentative). Debating these is in itself is a useful exercise and perhaps the thoughts and feelings could be directed back to the BSPS via Area Chairs. We then digressed onto two 'examples'. One of which was dealt with swiftly by the BSPS and the other a case where no rules were broken, so the BSPS have nothing to action. I think its important not to muddle how we feel about the rules themselves with specific examples of where people feel they have been broken but actually turns out to be that people do not agree with the rules rather than any cheating having taken place. As a user of this forum, I think we can do a lot of good, but naming (and potentially shaming) individuals isn't my chosen modus operandi, particularly when no rules were broken.
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Post by Keep it Fair on Apr 22, 2016 19:29:58 GMT
It boils down to morals and personal integrity at the end of the day, either you're an honest person and enter the class in the true spirit it was intended or you're the sort that will bend the rules to the limit and take the ticket when it's not truly deserved and justified. Do BSPS care?.....No.
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Post by bigmama on Apr 22, 2016 19:51:43 GMT
It boils down to morals and personal integrity at the end of the day, either you're an honest person and enter the class in the true spirit it was intended or you're the sort that will bend the rules to the limit and take the ticket when it's not truly deserved and justified. Do BSPS care?.....No. As my dear departed dad, a tax inspector, would say, "Whilst anything is left to people's honesty/integrity, there will always be those who will cheat"
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Post by forester on Apr 22, 2016 20:35:44 GMT
It boils down to morals and personal integrity at the end of the day, either you're an honest person and enter the class in the true spirit it was intended or you're the sort that will bend the rules to the limit and take the ticket when it's not truly deserved and justified. Do BSPS care?.....No. As my dear departed dad, a tax inspector, would say, "Whilst anything is left to people's honesty/integrity, there will always be those who will cheat"If Bsps didn't care then why do they disqualify people? Wise words bigmumma
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Post by Keep it Fair on Apr 22, 2016 21:57:46 GMT
If BSPS cared, why are they allowing people to compete in HP classes whilst employing their own professional grooms? Fair enough rules aren't being broken but sometimes cases need to be treated individually for the sake of other competitors who are competing honestly and fairly.
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Post by Philippa on Apr 23, 2016 4:28:05 GMT
If BSPS cared, why are they allowing people to compete in HP classes whilst employing their own professional grooms? Fair enough rules aren't being broken but sometimes cases need to be treated individually for the sake of other competitors who are competing honestly and fairly. I don't think the bsps can be blamed for people entering these classes. Are they supposed to know everyone and their personal circumstances ?? Come on give them some credit!!! Also isn't it a case of you are either eligible or you're not??? Why do you feel the need to look at certain individual cases and decide otherwise? That's the whole point of rules. You either fall into the category or you don't!!! I'm not saying people don't flounce the rules, some may well do without realisation but if anyone has a problem then I suggest the first port of call be the BSPS. As in Forresters case they were on it like lightning. Credit where credit is due.
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Post by ta on Apr 23, 2016 5:21:44 GMT
BSPS accept the rules are flawed and this topic, I am assured, is up for discussion. Competitors are expected to enter in the spirit in the competition, sadly not in this case and sadly this is a repeat of an identical situation 3 years ago. We can only hope this time that BSPS support and listen to their members and adjust the rules to create a level playing field.
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Post by Member etc on Apr 27, 2016 14:15:01 GMT
Whilst my views are not necessarily those held by The BSPS, I wish they would abolish these classes. I am sure that Monday mornings are taken up with nothing but complaints regarding Pretty Polly. I they cannot abolish them, then Ithink they should say that no-one except immediate family (there is a list) can assist in the preparation of pony or rider at the show. Come those that doubt BSPS - YOU devise a rule that means that there can be no doubting "spirit" because there is precious little of that around
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Post by F1J4 on Apr 27, 2016 16:30:27 GMT
I have been informed by a friend today that children are able to ride for others, but still compete in PP classes on their own home produced ponies.
Perhaps I am completely over looking this, but, whilst I wait for a reply from bsps, is it obvious to others who could maybe point this out for me in the rules?
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Post by s72 on Apr 27, 2016 19:02:50 GMT
I have been informed by a friend today that children are able to ride for others, but still compete in PP classes on their own home produced ponies. Perhaps I am completely over looking this, but, whilst I wait for a reply from bsps, is it obvious to others who could maybe point this out for me in the rules? I asked the BSPS a similar question as we had one pony in production and one done totally at home, they told me as soon as my daughter rides the produced ride any other pony she rides is not eligible for PP
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Post by forester on Apr 28, 2016 0:26:44 GMT
I have been informed by a friend today that children are able to ride for others, but still compete in PP classes on their own home produced ponies. Perhaps I am completely over looking this, but, whilst I wait for a reply from bsps, is it obvious to others who could maybe point this out for me in the rules? I asked the BSPS a similar question as we had one pony in production and one done totally at home, they told me as soon as my daughter rides the produced ride any other pony she rides is not eligible for PP A friend was also told the same One of her ponies has been ridden by someone else at a show her daughter can no longer ride him at shows otherwise she forfeits PP with her other pony
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