ghl
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Post by ghl on May 17, 2009 21:13:20 GMT
the 15hh shp was outstanding in the championship and the only one which did not make any mistakes. Thought the judge made many mistakes but got the championship right.
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Post by GBH on May 17, 2009 22:04:33 GMT
I thought that 7 were entered for the 122cm SHP, which ponies did not come forward today?
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Post by agent on May 18, 2009 5:27:00 GMT
nursrey stakes- millie wonnacot and firefly 13h- possibly valentine heathcliffe there were only 3 ponies in the 15h that hadnt qualified i think. Think there were a few more than 3! Jenny Howell was 2nd and qualified in 15h. Jessica Andrews-Gayler was 4th in the Intermediate WH and got the ticket - only 2 clears.
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Post by Splendid on May 18, 2009 7:25:17 GMT
Anyone know the intermediate show hunter results? 1st Opium........... with Yasmin Cuddy 2nd Colorado I think................ ;D Who qualified then as those to have already qualified???
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Post by bundle on May 18, 2009 8:01:08 GMT
Goodness - thank you for the message Chazzysmum - we had a horrible day but serves us right for counting on good weather. Roll on next year.
The IWH qualifier was Noble Bing who was 2nd although it had a fence and a clear was below it. There were only two clears - the course was quite tough and the going pretty hard even on a surface. 153 cms just three clears and not sure about the others except the poor 133cms had the worst of the weather and deserve our sympathies because it was "stair-rods" of rain during their class.
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Post by marko on May 18, 2009 9:25:50 GMT
does anyone have marks for shp classes, esp 133 and 143 cm, thanks
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Post by jo266 on May 18, 2009 9:35:09 GMT
The 15h winner did not go badly. I was in that class and i think it was a clear winner. It looked brilliant and nearly every other pony had a blip either in the go round or in their shows.
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Post by blip on May 18, 2009 10:22:50 GMT
The 15hh done strange show did not think it should of stayed there in the championship deserved to win but the rider had no respect for the little jockeys in with her
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Post by marko on May 18, 2009 10:54:53 GMT
who qualified in 143cm shp, think top 4 have already qualified ??
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Post by Snippet on May 18, 2009 12:40:38 GMT
The 15hh done strange show did not think it should of stayed there in the championship deserved to win but the rider had no respect for the little jockeys in with her Rubbish! The girl on the 153cm did a great job and you don't go into that Arena unless you want to win. The little ones are older than they look and have ridden at sall the bigger shows. None of the big girls ever complained about little Laura Richardson when she used to cut them up going into gallop on the corners! You alays had to look behind to check where she was!
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Post by samd on May 18, 2009 13:03:50 GMT
The 15hh done strange show did not think it should of stayed there in the championship deserved to win but the rider had no respect for the little jockeys in with her Rubbish! The girl on the 153cm did a great job and you don't go into that Arena unless you want to win. The little ones are older than they look and have ridden at sall the bigger shows. None of the big girls ever complained about little Laura Richardson when she used to cut them up going into gallop on the corners! You alays had to look behind to check where she was! I'm sorry but I have to agree with blip. I thought it was very bad of the rider on the 153 pony to gallop straight into the back of the 122 pony. Luckily the pony coped very well and fortunately the rider was one of the older more experienced jockeys than you often get in the 122 classes. Surley with the weather conditions and the buzziness of the ring the little jockey would have been concentration on herself and her pony not looking behind her at what the others were doing. You would have thought that with the size of the ring there was plenty of room for the bigger one to give the little one a wide berth. I'm sure she knows she made a mistake and will be more considerate another time. Also I thought it was in the rules that tht 122's should only be galloped in fours. Surely a judge taking on judging at this standard of show should be more aware of the rules. I am rather glad that after watching the championship that my 122 pony was 3rd and didn't have to do it. Even though our boy is one of the most well mannered ponies there are, with my daughter only being a tiny 9 year old I think galloping with the whole lot would have been rather nerve wracking - well it would have been for me at least, although she probably wouldn't admit it!!!
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Post by win on May 18, 2009 13:06:30 GMT
Of cause they all in the championship to win but big age gap between a rider on 12hh to rider on 15hh no respect if you cut the little ones up
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Post by smallbutmighty on May 18, 2009 13:48:47 GMT
2009 BSPS rules for galloping of Show Hunter Ponies says:
So you are correct - 122cms should not be galloped altogether with 153cms even in a Championship. I'm assuming it wasn't simpy that the 122cm was unfortunately in the way when shouldn't have been - was she included in galloping the Championship ponies as a 'class'?
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Post by samd on May 18, 2009 13:56:20 GMT
2009 BSPS rules for galloping of Show Hunter Ponies says: So you are correct - 122cms should not be galloped altogether with 153cms even in a Championship. I'm assuming it wasn't simpy that the 122cm was unfortunately in the way when shouldn't have been - was she included in galloping the Championship ponies as a 'class'? The judge galloped everyone in the championship together, then she had the 122,133 and 153 out to do a show all at the same time. The 153 galloped up the front straight into the back of the 122 which was trotting along the front at the time I think.
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Post by shp2 on May 18, 2009 14:59:57 GMT
with the weather conditions being as they were yesterday and the jumps falling down behind the ponies in the wind and the curtains blowing on the stage i am sure the jockys did their best to cope and didnt mean to cause any disruption to eachother as all or most of the ponies misbehaved and understadably so
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ghl
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Post by ghl on May 18, 2009 15:12:34 GMT
Weather conditions being as dreadful as they were, was even more reason for the judge to adhere to the rules regarding galloping.
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Post by shp2 on May 18, 2009 15:44:50 GMT
yes i agree, the riders were only doing as they were told to do and i am sure they did their best to try and stay away from eachother in the dreadful conditions as most of the ponies seemed to be petrified of everything that was going on
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Post by blondy on May 18, 2009 15:58:46 GMT
Anyone know who qualified in the int wh? 1ST PEEPIN TOM 2ND NOBLE BING 3RD CARNSDALE VANITY FAIR 4TH + QUALIFIED WAS LARSENS LEAP AND JESSICA ANDREWS GALER
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Post by wag on May 18, 2009 16:21:53 GMT
What ever the rules are , a true hunter pony should be able to gallop safely in any weather conditions and with a whole field of different sized animals around it. Just goes to show that half the ponies and jockey's that are in the ring have never set foot on a hunting field and the age and size of the child is irrelivant, if the child is not capable to compete with older/larger kids and the pony not trustworthy enough then don't put them that class, keep them in FR until they are confident enough.
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Post by samd on May 18, 2009 16:36:17 GMT
wag, rules are rules and the judges should stick to them. I'm sure most of the ponies and jockeys are totally capable. If you are refering to the fact that my child should be sticking to first ridden, well she has already proved herself of being capable and the pony of being safe enough to be in the ring with the bigger ones thank you!
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Post by issac on May 18, 2009 16:46:42 GMT
samd your daughter is a credit to you one of the most capable little jockeys on the circuit my mum loves watching her do her display when we are at the same show.
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Post by samd on May 18, 2009 16:49:20 GMT
thankyou Issac. Wag does seem to like making sarcastic comments about people from around our area. I wish I knew who she was!
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Post by wag on May 18, 2009 16:50:43 GMT
Samd , please don't take everything so personally, Of course rules are rules i'm not disputing that but if the ponies and riders were proper hunters then when things like this happen in shouldn't be a problem. There have been far too many unhappy and frightened children in sHP classes this year which is not pleasent to see and don't jump on me samd as this is not personal it is mearly a general observation and i am sure that as a judge you have seen this. My point is , as old fashioned as I may be, I believe that a Hunter Pony should be just that , a Hunter Pony.
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Post by samd on May 18, 2009 16:55:40 GMT
wag thats fine but rules must be adhered to regardless of your opinion. I have noticed that you do make some unneccessary comments on here, us in the sussex area have noticed. So maybe you should word your comments with more consideration in future.
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Post by wag on May 18, 2009 17:03:01 GMT
Apologies, not my intention, as you get older you get a little more outspoken, you should here me when Gordon Brown is on the TV !! I am very old fashioned in my views and as they seem to offend i shall keep them to my self from now on.
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Post by Snippet on May 18, 2009 18:29:22 GMT
Maybe the BSPS rules state some classes shouldn't be galloped together but to be fair to wag Hunter Ponies should have hunting field manners and look after their jockeys in gallop. There are plenty out there that do and who hunt all season whatever the weather. SAmazed at samd as in her day she alw had to gallop with the rest of her class even if she chooses not to hunt herself. It's sad for showing and for riding that kids no longer do this as it made the class great fun. Who else remembers flying down the Eton ring at Windsor with the fairground in the corner and that lovely slippy patch of grass to fly off ;D Those were the days when true hunter ponies competed in both the show classes and the WHP's now all we have are woosey children bound up in Health & Safety on fat ponies with no bone.
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Post by rules on May 18, 2009 19:13:30 GMT
Also the judge had the whole 133 shp class gallop together but no doubt the BSPS will take no notice.
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Post by popsox on May 18, 2009 21:39:53 GMT
Actually the clue is in the title SHOW hunter ponies!
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Post by Giddie on May 18, 2009 21:47:18 GMT
No wag l don't think you should keep your opinions to yourself because like Snippet l am in full agreement with you, a hunter pony should be just that and have those hunting field manners..however as samd has said rules are rules and should be adhered to...The one thing amongst others that l would look for in this sort of class would be manners but that is just my own personal opinion.
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Post by woosyjockey on May 18, 2009 21:56:41 GMT
Well said Popsox!! I think a lot of people loose sight of the fact that these are show ponies that cost a lot to buy, keep and show. They don't have to hunt all winter and neither do the children if thats not your thing, some people just like to show. The rules state that the ponies should not be galloped together and thats that. It doesn't sound to me that there was a problem with any kids or ponies geting upset, just that rules were broken.
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