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Post by Giddie on May 18, 2009 23:25:54 GMT
Hunter ponies !!!!
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Post by woosyjockey on May 19, 2009 7:32:35 GMT
"SHOW" Hunter ponies. Ones with knocks, splints and damaged legs from hunting will be down the line. They can do Working Hunter Ponies.
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Post by sony on May 19, 2009 8:16:05 GMT
Well there opens another disscussion, as how many WHP's actually hunt? If you look at the likes of Louise Bell, David Tatlow, etc they all hunt their show horses however in the pony world hardly any set foot in a hunting field, I would like to see a qualification similar to the point to pointers that you must have hunted duing the season to compete in qualifiers, then we may see a few more clear rounds . If you don't want to hunt fine, buy a SP but if you want to compete as a WORKING hunter at least have the conviction to miggle with the hounds now and again. Hunt horses/ponies also cost a lot to buy and keep and actually require far more time and effort to keep fit, rather than fat which is when you are more likely to get splints . Several years ago Ann Brickel took her SHP hunting a week before HOYs , perhaps some should take a leaf out of her book and we may see better gallops and ponies which look fit and happy .
perhaps the mods could allow a vote as to see if people think that ponies and riders competing in RIHS and HOYS qual should hunt to enter these classes. I think it would be interesting reading to hear peoples views.
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Post by overatdaknee on May 19, 2009 8:21:57 GMT
It is an interesting thought- we have hunted our SHP's and in fact a few of our show ponies- even a lead rein off the lead too and they loved it. As for worrying about lumps, splints, curbs etc- was not aware these days that they have any effect on placings...................
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Post by wornthetshirt on May 19, 2009 8:28:24 GMT
I used to take show ponies and sometimes even hacks out cubbing before Wembley. Did them the world of good.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 19, 2009 8:39:21 GMT
I don't think it matters a jot whether or not you actually choose to go out hunting. What I think does matter is that the pony is able to demonstrate the conformation, manners, temperament, fitness etc., that the judge can see they would happily do a day's hunting.
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Post by apple123 on May 19, 2009 8:53:35 GMT
My last Hack used to love SJ and going round the gallops at the race yard opposite our place, if I'd have been brave enough I'd have taken her eventing but too old to bounce now! - don't know many (if any) other Hacks that do that nowadays
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 9:11:07 GMT
So what about the folk who do not agree with hunting??? should they have to miss out on doing the workers etc? sorry but there is no way i will be taking my pony hunting, i neither agree or disagree with hunting, but on top of show entries i cannot afford to hunt as well, the point of these classes is to find the horse/pony who would give a good days hunting, not the one who is best at its job!! ?
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Post by jadet on May 19, 2009 9:22:16 GMT
I hunt my working hunter ponies. Always have done, although I have to agree that I do seem to be in the minority!
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Post by Snippet on May 19, 2009 12:10:32 GMT
Have most SHP's turned into fat show ponies with no bone? Surely this is what the judges should be addressing as it should affect the type marks?
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Post by apple123 on May 19, 2009 14:27:29 GMT
So what about the folk who do not agree with hunting??? should they have to miss out on doing the workers etc? sorry but there is no way i will be taking my pony hunting, i neither agree or disagree with hunting, but on top of show entries i cannot afford to hunt as well, the point of these classes is to find the horse/pony who would give a good days hunting, not the one who is best at its job!! ? I don't like hunting. Did it a few times when I was little on my Dartmoor, I overtook the Huntsmaster everytime out and luckily for me he didn't mind and said I could stay up front with him!
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 14:49:25 GMT
apple123, that is one of the reasons i would never take my boy hunting!!! ha ha, he'd love it, toooooooooo much!!! ;D
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Post by apple123 on May 19, 2009 15:03:44 GMT
Straight from the off I had no control, he wasnt nasty just excited! We left the woman I went with at the back in under 5 minutes!!! Does make me laugh thinking about it now but I don't think I was laughing at the time!!!
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 15:13:35 GMT
lol, i can imagine it now! dartmoor on a mission!! lol ours would be a blur of chestnut and white socks from the word go and jockey would have no say in the matter!! stick to just doing the workers me thinks!!
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Post by splint on May 19, 2009 15:46:39 GMT
"SHOW" Hunter ponies. Ones with knocks, splints and damaged legs from hunting will be down the line. They can do Working Hunter Ponies. none of the above are faults due to cobformation so why shouldnt they d show hunter classes?
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Post by splint on May 19, 2009 15:48:37 GMT
"SHOW" Hunter ponies. Ones with knocks, splints and damaged legs from hunting will be down the line. They can do Working Hunter Ponies. none of the above are faults due to cobformation so why shouldnt they d show hunter classes? conformation* oops sorry
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Post by connie on May 19, 2009 15:54:11 GMT
So what about the folk who do not agree with hunting??? should they have to miss out on doing the workers etc? sorry but there is no way i will be taking my pony hunting, i neither agree or disagree with hunting, but on top of show entries i cannot afford to hunt as well, the point of these classes is to find the horse/pony who would give a good days hunting, not the one who is best at its job!! ? I'm sorry but the last bit of this statement confuses me, you say that the point of workers is to find the pony who would give a good days hunting and not the one who is best at its job, surely the job of a working hunter pony is to give a good and safe days hunting so you are looking for the pony who is the best at their job A pony that is out of control in the ring would not (in most cases) be a safe hunter, a pony that fires at its jumps or has to be bought back to trot round each corner if it is not on the correct lead would be a nightmare out hunting. I would think a judge should be looking at a pony thinking would I like to hunt that all day? if the answer is no then it should be marked down accordingly.
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Post by Giddie on May 19, 2009 17:05:11 GMT
I would say Show Hunter Pony is definitely the wrong term if the pony doesn't hunt.. Hunter pony to me implies just that.
As for the hunter l think dartie has hit the nail on the head..
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Post by woosyjocky on May 19, 2009 17:37:41 GMT
The class is for 'ponies of show hunter type'. A pony of suitable type build and manners to hunt but does mean they have to. Hunting is not everyones cup of tea it does not mean that they can't show a pony in show hunter pony classes if they so wish, they pay there entry fees like everyone else. Also a pony with blemishes and splints will be put down in a show class. That is a 'FACT'
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 17:48:52 GMT
what i meant is, it has to be suitable, not proven!! i.e has the manners, the movement,,the jump, type etc etc!! one that WOULD be capable of doing the job! and yes splints etc would be marked down..i've seen a few out hunting that are not capable of hunting!! lol show hunter is a type, a pony that in a judges eyes would give a good days hunting, if it needs to go hunting to do the class then surely there'd be no such class as SHOW hunter, they'd all be WORKING hunters???
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Post by hottoddy on May 19, 2009 18:32:12 GMT
hunting is an expensive game, I for one cant afford to hunt. People are obviously being priced out of showing as it is, entries have been low in all my qualifying classes so far this year! Would be a bit mean to stop people showing their horses unless they ay the hundreds of pounds required to hunt! All that said I also agree that I would not like to hunt some of the animals shown as "hunters" working or otherwise!
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 18:44:23 GMT
hottoddy i totally agree, there is no way i could afford hunting too, it has to be one or the other and im sure if that was a rule then the classes would be alot smaller than they already are now which would be a shame
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Post by connie on May 19, 2009 19:13:24 GMT
what i meant is, it has to be suitable, not proven!! i.e has the manners, the movement,,the jump, type etc etc!! one that WOULD be capable of doing the job! and yes splints etc would be marked down..i've seen a few out hunting that are not capable of hunting!! lol show hunter is a type, a pony that in a judges eyes would give a good days hunting, if it needs to go hunting to do the class then surely there'd be no such class as SHOW hunter, they'd all be WORKING hunters??? Again a bit confused as one minute you are saying that you don't hunt and would not then you say that if a pony needs to go hunting to do a class they would all be doing working hunter classes? So by your own reasoning you should compete your pony in show hunter type classes and not working hunter classes. And i do hunt my ponies and it is no more expensive then showing, if anything it is better value for money as you get the whole day and there is no one to tell you there is a better pony out there then yours ;D
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Post by Snippet on May 19, 2009 19:19:46 GMT
The fact is fat ponies lacking bone wouldn't stay sound out hunting so how can they be of Hunter type and BSPS please tell us why they are consistently being put up to win this season?
We loved the second placed 12 hander. A real miniature hunter that you could scale up or down and looking fit enough to take anywhere.
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 19:52:25 GMT
Dartie, i think you may have misunderstood what i meant, again!! if "hunter" ponies are expected to jump to be hunters then what is the point in a show hunter class? they just want to see type in there and is irrelevant whether they hunt or not..i can afford to do 1 or the other, not all made of money, so cheaper or not i still cant do both! wish i could, so does my horse!!! mine is a section A so i wont be doing show hunters! as for bone, i have a show pony and a thoroughbred who can hunt all day and have never gone lame, unfortunately dont have the money to take them anymore!!
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Post by marko on May 19, 2009 20:12:58 GMT
who qualified in 143shp class, thanks
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Post by connie on May 19, 2009 21:15:57 GMT
I also have natives and am def not made of money but i choose to give my worker its education in the hunting Field (and i also love a good days hunting). I would much rather a pony that may have the odd blemish on its leg BUT could jump and perform its individual show in a controlled manner rather then charging round the ring with its head forced into its chest as the jockey has no control and has to be circled after a fence to regain that control before the jockey is able to present it at the next fence. That is just my opinion!
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Post by nativeponies on May 19, 2009 21:22:25 GMT
am not saying your opinion is wrong, just i dont think it is essential for any pony in these classes to go hunting...thats all i like ponies to do a bit of everything, as for being made of money most horse people are not..i am quite positively skint!!! lol have to make strict choices about how much we do even down to the number of shows we attend this year, we would normally be out every week with various ponies, now we have had to cut 2 thirds of the shows out so if we hunted too there'd be no showing!
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