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Post by itsme on Jun 14, 2009 21:11:43 GMT
This isn't a case of here we go again. I think you will find that Ms Chadwick is a very close friend of Mr Avery, which bear in mind isn't the problem. It becomes a problem when friends clearly haven't done the best show and get unfairly rewarded for this. Then again if you where to follow Mr Avery's results at a lot of shows at varying levels then you would see the same facey pathetic pattern happening all the time, it's called keeping one another in a job. What do the NPS heirarchy think of such results?
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Post by fredaf on Jun 14, 2009 21:12:48 GMT
RIHS whp results I think were Exc 138 Rebel Rouser & Ch 122 to 138 Nice connie(will have to find catalogue) Res Not ex 122 Brether Go The Exies !!! Res was Kilmazing Red Kite
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Post by skip on Jun 14, 2009 21:19:46 GMT
This isn't a case of here we go again. I think you will find that Ms Chadwick is a very close friend of Mr Avery, which bear in mind isn't the problem. It becomes a problem when friends clearly haven't done the best show and get unfairly rewarded for this. Then again if you where to follow Mr Avery's results at a lot of shows at varying levels then you would see the same facey pathetic pattern happening all the time, it's called keeping one another in a job. What do the NPS heirarchy think of such results? They are the worst for this sort of thing.
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Post by itsme on Jun 14, 2009 21:37:02 GMT
What do the NPS heirarchy think of such results? They are the worst for this sort of thing. Maybe that will explain why so few people paid to be judged by Mr Avery on the day. Low entries cannot be good for NPS business, in another sense, you could say the NPS membership own the NPS, not the hierarchy, without the membership, the paying customer, there would no NPS.
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Post by bigmama on Jun 14, 2009 21:41:30 GMT
Congrats DEBORAH on qualifying Olympia on home-bred fell ... please see update below
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Post by itsme on Jun 14, 2009 21:43:03 GMT
Bigmamma, if we are talking about the same Debbie and same show, it was a section D that Debbie Chadwick rode at NPS scotland, not a Fell.
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Post by bigmama on Jun 14, 2009 22:13:11 GMT
Oops! I wasn't there so assumed it was her lovely fell stallion .... sorry! i do know her Welsh D and he's fab ... still well done Deborah, i'm really pleased for you
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Post by cruella on Jun 14, 2009 22:18:20 GMT
Her Welsh D may b fab but if you had been there and witnessed what everyone else did you would be quite embarrassed at the praise you are giving, it was appauling for this performance to have won such a ticket. Let's hope it goes better for her when she gets there because unless she gets another bent judge a performance like that will just be making up the numbers.
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Post by itsme on Jun 15, 2009 6:05:04 GMT
Perhaps Debbie Chadwick was not aware of just how bad the go round and the attempt at an individual show looked from outside the ring. She was genuinely delighted to be going to Olympia having commented she's waited 35 years to get there.
If there is a connection, which would certainly explain why the worst performance on the day got the ticket, I would not count on any blushes or embarrassment from Mr Avery.
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Post by parryshowteam on Jun 15, 2009 8:51:47 GMT
any hoys lr results
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Post by Olympia on Jun 15, 2009 9:24:26 GMT
Was its performance that bad then
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Post by bellabella on Jun 15, 2009 9:28:49 GMT
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Post by shocked on Jun 15, 2009 9:51:53 GMT
Her Welsh D may b fab but if you had been there and witnessed what everyone else did you would be quite embarrassed at the praise you are giving, it was appauling for this performance to have won such a ticket. Let's hope it goes better for her when she gets there because unless she gets another bent judge a performance like that will just be making up the numbers. Crikey! It all going on in Scotland isn't it?! I wasnt at this show, but if the performance was as bad as you say, what on earth was the judge thinking? Does he really think that people wont start to talk, or does he not care? There are some judges out there who think they are beyond reproach. Did anyone video the class? Maybe worth sending a copy to the NPS I for one certainly wont be wasting my money going under this judge.
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Post by whyw on Jun 15, 2009 10:22:11 GMT
shocked you have got it in one -- the Judge does not care , if you look backat some threads you will see the judges name came up and lots of peeps said that this judge was worth watching, and i do not think people should have apop at the winner ( who i do not know) as it was hardly her fault the judge did what they did would think NPS sCOTLAND WILL HAVE QUITE A BIT TO SAY ABOUT THIS oops cap key on just my thoughts
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Post by Guestless on Jun 15, 2009 10:25:20 GMT
Oops! I wasn't there so assumed it was her lovely fell stallion .... sorry! i do know her Welsh D and he's fab ... still well done Deborah, i'm really pleased for you She did have a Fell there but wasn't her stallion - think it ended up 3rd in the hairies class.
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Post by bigmama on Jun 15, 2009 10:27:39 GMT
Her Welsh D may b fab but if you had been there and witnessed what everyone else did you would be quite embarrassed at the praise you are giving, it was appauling for this performance to have won such a ticket. Let's hope it goes better for her when she gets there because unless she gets another bent judge a performance like that will just be making up the numbers. I show no embarrassment in congratulating Deborah on getting to Olympia .. re. performance no i was not there but i have seen it all in the M&M ring and have come to the assumption that anything goes ~ if the judge likes your pony then that's enough to win I guess the rest of you will just have to put that judge down as one not to show under and vote with your feet
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Post by turbo on Jun 15, 2009 10:31:38 GMT
I think it is a real shame to take away from the winners "moment", and to publicly slate it and the judge??...well i'm surprised this thread has been allowed to continue in this manner!!! Perhaps those who clearly feel so strongly about it should have paid the money and followed the correct procedure regarding complaints rather than coming on here and imposing their ringside-judge's view on other people!
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Post by shocked on Jun 15, 2009 10:33:54 GMT
i have seen it all in the M&M ring and have come to the assumption that anything goes ~ if the judge likes your pony then that's enough to win Why not just get any old person off the street to judge then, and just tell them to pick the one with the prettiest eyes or the best tail. Sorry, but I am sick to the back teeth of people justifying bad judging in ridden classes by saying "the judge liked the pony" as if that makes it ok. If they cannot be impartial enough to mark down their favourite pony for a bad performance then they shouldnt be doing it. Stick to in hand!!
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Post by turbo on Jun 15, 2009 10:36:26 GMT
Did you say that Debbie Chadwick was on the panel of the coloured judges. Think about it.
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Post by nitelife on Jun 15, 2009 10:36:45 GMT
I look fowards to watching the final line up at the end of the year,if the judgeing carries on as it has done who knows what will happen!
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Post by bigmama on Jun 15, 2009 10:37:52 GMT
i have seen it all in the M&M ring and have come to the assumption that anything goes ~ if the judge likes your pony then that's enough to win Why not just get any old person off the street to judge then, and just tell them to pick the one with the prettiest eyes or the best tail. Sorry, but I am sick to the back teeth of people justifying bad judging in ridden classes by saying "the judge liked the pony" as if that makes it ok. If they cannot be impartial enough to mark down their favourite pony for a bad performance then they shouldnt be doing it. Stick to in hand!! GET REAL! that's the way showing is .. didn't you know?! (it's happened to us enough times, don't you worry) moaning about it on here accomplishes nothing ~ go thru the official channels if you feel so strongly about it
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Post by Agree on Jun 15, 2009 10:39:07 GMT
Is D Chadwick Judgeing any Hoys classes this year?
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Post by Turbo on Jun 15, 2009 10:41:20 GMT
Why not just get any old person off the street to judge then, and just tell them to pick the one with the prettiest eyes or the best tail. Sorry, but I am sick to the back teeth of people justifying bad judging in ridden classes by saying "the judge liked the pony" as if that makes it ok. If they cannot be impartial enough to mark down their favourite pony for a bad performance then they shouldnt be doing it. Stick to in hand!! GET REAL! that's the way showing is .. didn't you know?! (it's happened to us enough times, don't you worry) moaning about it on here accomplishes nothing ~ go thru the official channels if you feel so strongly about it So you condone it if its one of your mates then.
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Post by bigmama on Jun 15, 2009 10:43:04 GMT
Is D Chadwick Judgeing any Hoys classes this year? Deborah Chadwick is a good and fair judge and i'm sure she would be horrified to be reading this thread ... FORUM MANAGERS, please stop this thread before it get's any nastier
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Post by Shocked on Jun 15, 2009 10:47:11 GMT
moaning about it on here accomplishes nothing I disagree - I know several judges who are petrified of being slated on here, so go out of their way to do the right thing. Judges know they cant get away with anything anymore. Others, as I said above, dont care as they thing they are beyond reproach. Big Brother is most definitely watching
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Post by Scotrider on Jun 15, 2009 10:51:07 GMT
If ir is true that A: the winner & judge are very good freinds, and B: the pony did not perform up to standard in the ring and there were better animals in the ring, then this needs to be made a FORMAL complaint to the NPS - not swept under the carpet.
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Post by turbo on Jun 15, 2009 10:55:09 GMT
Judges should most certainly NOT be forced into judging in a particular way at the threat of being slated by some nasty sore-losers on a horse-chat forum! The judge is there to give their OWN opinion and should not be bullied by anyone outside the ring!!! No wonder judges are becoming harder to find, who would want to do the job if this is what they have to put up with!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 15, 2009 11:00:49 GMT
The vast majority of judges deserve our respect, but there will always be the one bad apple. Not meaning anyone specific. But it's a shame when the good ones are disillusioned by the backlash of a dodgy decision made by someone else.
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Post by inthepassing on Jun 15, 2009 11:01:39 GMT
I cannot comment on the results of any particular class as I only walked past the ring while Mr Avery was judging one class later in the day (not Olympia), but have to say I was rather confused at the ring management.
Ponies were lined up the 'wrong' way round and lined up with their noses almost on the rail of the ring with individual shows being done beind the line with all the other riders spun round in their saddles to watch.
All looked very bizarre and very 'amateur' I thought and more akin to a local show and non-panel judge setup.
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Post by scotrider on Jun 15, 2009 11:02:59 GMT
fair judges have nothing to worry about I think if the post is true, and as I didnt see the class I cant say one way or the other, but it if IS true that the pony went so bad, and IF there WERE ponies in the ring that were better animals & went better than this sort of thing has to be stamped out! This sort of thing is what makes "showing" such a joke to the majority of other disciplines.
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