jw4216
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Post by jw4216 on Jun 15, 2009 11:18:06 GMT
I cannot comment on the results of any particular class as I only walked past the ring while Mr Avery was judging one class later in the day (not Olympia), but have to say I was rather confused at the ring management. Ponies were lined up the 'wrong' way round and lined up with their noses almost on the rail of the ring with individual shows being done beind the line with all the other riders spun round in their saddles to watch. All looked very bizarre and very 'amateur' I thought and more akin to a local show and non-panel judge setup. I think you will find that Mr Avery was not judging these classes - it was a female judge. Yes it was a very odd way to be lined up.
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Post by inthepassing on Jun 15, 2009 11:27:33 GMT
I cannot comment on the results of any particular class as I only walked past the ring while Mr Avery was judging one class later in the day (not Olympia), but have to say I was rather confused at the ring management. Ponies were lined up the 'wrong' way round and lined up with their noses almost on the rail of the ring with individual shows being done beind the line with all the other riders spun round in their saddles to watch. All looked very bizarre and very 'amateur' I thought and more akin to a local show and non-panel judge setup. I think you will find that Mr Avery was not judging these classes - it was a female judge. Yes it was a very odd way to be lined up. oops, my apologies - I thought I saw Mr Avery in the ring! Nevertheless, to be judging at this level of show they (whoever they were) must be on a panel and should therefore know ring etiquette and how to run a ring
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Post by turbo on Jun 15, 2009 11:34:08 GMT
Yes was a very strange way to run the ring. Poor Richard took the brunt of it when his lovely cob was pulled top and then crashed in to the line up during his individual show, losing him the win!
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Post by millyff on Jun 15, 2009 12:39:01 GMT
Rotherwood Rainbow won small SRT - well done Bow I knew you had the potential to get to the top you just needed to mature and find your niche - well done to your jockey (sorry don't know your name) - Mrs Mansfield is over the moon!! Ive seen loads of videos of this pony on you tube - looks very nice . I take it you use to own this pony thought u might want to have a look www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wln4C_l4M8&feature=related&pos=5
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Post by bellabella on Jun 15, 2009 13:51:38 GMT
Her Welsh D may b fab but if you had been there and witnessed what everyone else did you would be quite embarrassed at the praise you are giving, it was appauling for this performance to have won such a ticket. Let's hope it goes better for her when she gets there because unless she gets another bent judge a performance like that will just be making up the numbers. Crikey! It all going on in Scotland isn't it?! I wasnt at this show, but if the performance was as bad as you say, what on earth was the judge thinking? Does he really think that people wont start to talk, or does he not care? There are some judges out there who think they are beyond reproach. Did anyone video the class? Maybe worth sending a copy to the NPS I for one certainly wont be wasting my money going under this judge. There were rather a lot of NPS judges watching that day.
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Post by caroline1278 on Jun 15, 2009 13:58:35 GMT
I was in another ring at the time of the Olympia championship, didn't see the go round but did see the champion being pulled forward, not knowing who it was I did think it was a nice type but on the lap of honour it took 3 attempts to get the correct leg which I did think was a bit bad but hadn't realised what else had gone on. Not calling the judge or competitor as I don't know either just stating what I saw. The ridden class I did watch, not sure what it was, it was the strangest line up I have ever seen, the ponies were about 3/4 of the way up the ring with shows going on behind, when the first one crashed into the line up the competitors seemed to make a decision to move as far up the ring as possible but all still had to do their shows behind the line! It was to say the least a bit weird, would have been much more sensible to have line up at bottom of ring and shows going on in front of line.
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Post by rubyshoes1 on Jun 15, 2009 17:34:46 GMT
Gosh, its amazing how many guests are posting on this thread!
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Post by coxwood on Jun 15, 2009 18:00:34 GMT
Well I can't help thinking you would all be moaning if the judge had qualified a fellow producer seems to me whoever the judges qualify these days comes in for a bashing whether it is a professional or less polished amateur . The Olympia classes have been very poorly supported this year particularly some sections says it all really !!! personally I would rather be placed in a hoys class of 40+ than win a section that consisted of two .
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Post by magpie on Jun 15, 2009 19:38:47 GMT
I think it is a real shame to take away from the winners "moment", and to publicly slate it and the judge??...well i'm surprised this thread has been allowed to continue in this manner!!! Perhaps those who clearly feel so strongly about it should have paid the money and followed the correct procedure regarding complaints rather than coming on here and imposing their ringside-judge's view on other people! if you look at the title..it is called results/results post mortems..hence that someone is always gonna have something to say about showing
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Post by Moving on on Jun 15, 2009 20:53:14 GMT
What can I say???
I just think you probably needed to have been there to truly get this thread!
It takes a lot to make me speechless but the judging on Saturday did the trick!!
I am generally a very positive person and like to think that everyone gets a fair crack of the whip, but short of the rider falling off, the D was going to get the ticket!!!!
What can be done??? Not so sure on that one, but I for one won't be wasting my money again!
I am against the forthcoming 'one rider' rule. I happen to believe that the whole concept of Olympia should be the best looking and performing animals should be going through. Despite who is on their backs. And often the producers have the pick of the best, and therefore often get more tickets on merit. I have no issue with that. But events such as Saturday, do not give the critics of the rule much ammunition that it is a level plaving field!!
But hey, that's showing. And we move on.........
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Post by storr on Jun 15, 2009 20:56:22 GMT
To be honest I think that the NPS might loose this qualifier as the numbers forward are getting more dire year on year. To have two section Ds forward in the class is a disgrace when at un affiliated, you can have 15+ animals forward so much more competition. Further to this, I personally dont think its appropriate to comment and name people on this type of thread. I take it that people complained on the day through the correct channels. I was there, the animal in question passed me several times and didnt turn my head but then neither did half the class winners. Thats the beauty of showing, we all have different opinions!!
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mac
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Post by mac on Jun 15, 2009 21:16:46 GMT
Usually the Olympia classes are quite well supported at this show. This year the classes were exceptionally small - could it be people already knew this judge and voted with their feet? I for one will never pay an entry fee for his opinion again.
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Post by bellabella on Jun 15, 2009 21:26:42 GMT
Usually the Olympia classes are quite well supported at this show. This year the classes were exceptionally small - could it be people already knew this judge and voted with their feet? I for one will never pay an entry fee for his opinion again. With numbers falling so low, is there a danger now that NPS Scotland could lose the qualifer as has Braco?
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Post by picture on Jun 15, 2009 21:26:56 GMT
Was there a photographer at this show?
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Post by caroline1278 on Jun 15, 2009 21:31:31 GMT
Was there a photographer at this show? Colin Nicholas
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Post by caroline1278 on Jun 15, 2009 21:33:40 GMT
Usually the Olympia classes are quite well supported at this show. This year the classes were exceptionally small - could it be people already knew this judge and voted with their feet? I for one will never pay an entry fee for his opinion again. With numbers falling so low, is there a danger now that NPS Scotland could lose the qualifer as has Braco? Many classes seemed to be small this year, personally I think if you don't have the HOYS qualifiers you won't get the numbers forward. It's a shame really that the showing world has become ruled by qualifiers.
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Post by coxwood on Jun 16, 2009 7:19:43 GMT
I agree , I think the NPS missed the point the one pony rule will not help the classes, would have been far better to have a marks system and two judges I do believe whilst their will always be upsets it would generally improve the system .
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Post by Guestless on Jun 16, 2009 8:32:28 GMT
Not all the classes were small - the hairy classes were fairly well supported (at least the 4 I had ponies in were). Not sure where all the welsh cobs were, but there were also at least another 2 shows on the same day which probably didn't help.
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Post by ckc on Jun 16, 2009 10:44:09 GMT
M&M LR & FR both classes into double figures, very well supported with a high standard of ponies!
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Post by agent on Jun 16, 2009 12:15:20 GMT
It is very interesting to ready this thread and the "observations" by those who prefer to hide themselves away, and then go to the thread in the Lounge on Judges 2009. In that thread everyone praises Mr Avery - and says they would travel miles to be judged by him.
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Post by hopeteam on Jun 16, 2009 15:42:10 GMT
Have To Say, where has the good sportsmanship gone ? Cant you be happy for someone who has achieved a big goal of thiers for qualyfying for Olympia, i know it may be a big kick in the teeth for you if you thought it gave a poor performance but still common decency does come into this! Imagine how much of a High the qualifyEE must be on just now, to come on this thread now and read it would be pretty frustrating/upsetting i imagine!!!
well done to this competitor anyway!!
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Post by aries on Jun 16, 2009 15:45:34 GMT
It is very interesting to ready this thread and the "observations" by those who prefer to hide themselves away, and then go to the thread in the Lounge on Judges 2009. In that thread everyone praises Mr Avery - and says they would travel miles to be judged by him. I dont think you read onto the next page in that case, and you also will have missed the several posts that were deleted at the time after the thread started to detour somewhat from memory
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Post by freya on Jun 16, 2009 17:51:16 GMT
Have To Say, where has the good sportsmanship gone ? Cant you be happy for someone who has achieved a big goal of thiers for qualyfying for Olympia, i know it may be a big kick in the teeth for you if you thought it gave a poor performance but still common decency does come into this! Imagine how much of a High the qualifyEE must be on just now, to come on this thread now and read it would be pretty frustrating/upsetting i imagine!!! well done to this competitor anyway!! You are absolutely right...well said!! Last year our boy qualified for HOYS, it was the first time we had qualified and as you can imagine-we were over the moon. That evening our pony was 'slated' and criticised, i felt unfairly so. We were naturally upset but didnt retaliate at all and made no comment. We know exactly how Debbie would feel if she read these hurtful and uneccesary comments. A good point was also made earlier, that Mr Avery was praised highly by members not so long ago. A good sportsman (lady) is one who can turn to the next and say 'well done' and not be a bad loser. People can be fickle
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jun 16, 2009 19:59:30 GMT
People (mostly, due to the green-eyed monster) ARE fickle.
Live and let live. Is that so difficult??
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Post by puzzled on Jun 19, 2009 15:01:56 GMT
I only watched the championship of the Olympia classes as was involved in another class. I was -As we all do we trying to guess the decision as you see them all together. The finalists were an excellent choice -There were some top ponies of all breeds- easy to distinquish the breeds and very difficult to choose a winner. The only one that dissapointed me was the welsh D- it did not show itself or have the presence or to my eye the quality of type of most of the others. It also did not jump out "welsh D in its way of going (perhaps it was having a bad day!). I was extremely surprised to see it pulled in 1st! It is certainly going to have to pull its socks up to go against these strong typey welsh cobs at the final I do not know the judges or the riders involved and it is a long time since I did Olympia classes but it was extremely disheartening to see this pony pulled in and I feel for the other riders who produced top quality ponies and presented them to such a high standard.
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Post by luvshowing on Jun 24, 2009 8:22:41 GMT
Novice WHP 1nt-Caroline Orr and champion 15hh - Caperann Swift and Tiffany Mactaggart ;D
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