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Post by chardonnay on Jun 29, 2009 9:32:21 GMT
The C that won did go well - most things that Sam rides do. She is not it's normal jockey. I think the issue was that it was obvious it was going to win before it stepped in the ring. It is owned by the same family that own the Wortley B pony that was 2nd in the A/B class. This was pulled in 3rd and many felt should have won, it went very well. Certainly the owners were unhappy with the result and made their displeasure known which caused the considerable rechecking of marks. They were also holding the C whilst this was going on and talking to spouses of the judges, making it very obvious which C was theirs. I wonder if the win was 'compensation'? It may have won anyway but feel it looked very obvious. Whilst also accepting the judges may need to take a break between classes but would question if it is in good form to sit amongst competitors waiting to go in and talk to conncections? the reason why people are unhappy with the c winning is because of the arguing going on in the break regarding wortley dragoon not winning the a/b class. the owner of both ponies made it very clear she was there to get tickets and due to the loud discussion in the break it was made clear that the c of theirs would win before it went in the ring. such a shame as although this pony did go very well it looks like a connie. sam roberts is not it's usual jockey. when are people going to stop putting a jockey on to qualify? i'd love to see this pony at the royal welsh in a breed class. i think the judges would suggest it was in the wrong breed section!!
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Post by Dartmoors on Jun 29, 2009 10:33:58 GMT
Why was the normal jockey not riding the sec C?
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Jun 29, 2009 11:34:29 GMT
BLACKCURRANT GAUR-DU-LUC HARLLSTONE LINN HYPERION DU MOULIN B B BOY PROTECTOR DAN DE MAN AMEZOLA ALCAZAR Are you sure Harrlstone Linn was third? I thought he was second
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Post by overatdaknee on Jun 29, 2009 11:56:23 GMT
Hi Specialsparkle- down as above on the Hickstead webby so could be a typo!
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Post by race horse on Jun 29, 2009 12:20:45 GMT
Hi where are the results on the hickstead site, cant seem to find them. ;D
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Post by magpie on Jun 29, 2009 12:23:49 GMT
Why was the normal jockey not riding the sec C? i know the womans daughter didnt ride it at Royal cornwall wihc was where i saw it becasue she was parked upa few boxes friom me and i coud clearly see her with Dragoon and Paintbox by her lorry while the C's were in. it just shows that the judges wer not too influenced as the B only got 3rd so :/
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Post by Spot On on Jun 29, 2009 12:51:47 GMT
All were stunning ponies. Stop grumbling and stsart being pleased that some very good examples of the breeds qualified. You're a miserable winging bunch of green eyed monsters.
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Post by zeebeedee on Jun 29, 2009 15:13:02 GMT
ROR results are correct as above. Well done to ROR and Tattersalls for all their sponsorship of the class.
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Post by coblover on Jun 29, 2009 15:47:20 GMT
The Leeman's "Kelly's Dream"
Won the in hand coloured... and went supreme champion.
Beautiful Mare...
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Post by blackknight on Jun 29, 2009 16:17:22 GMT
This is definatly in no way a reflection on Sam who was the ponies jockey for the day, she rode it beautifully as she always does and cant congratulate her enough for qualifying Rumpus - i know how much it means to everyone concerned.
i have to agree about the sec C winner though, it looked like a connie and definatly not 'old fashioneded' in type - there was nothing 'pony of cob type' about it. Whilst i dont dispute it has done well this year it shouldnt of scored as high as it did for confirmation if the breed standard was followed. ( as mentioned by Adrianne on the other thread in the lounge)
Hickstead nearly always use BSPS type judges so it shouldnt come as a surprise when showy types qualify, i go because i love the show and it is probably the only show that i attend regardless of who is judging.
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Post by titch on Jun 29, 2009 16:27:33 GMT
Having competed against the normal jockey and pony all year it does put in a good show show after show. Conformation marks have varied for it and it hasn't always got good ones under bsps judges. It got fantastic conf marks down Royal cornwall and these are nps judges. It's a shame it's normal jockey wasn't on board as she would of been delighted to qualify him! Bet Sam did do a good job though. Look forward to seeing him at Hoys and there are still lots more qualifiers so everybody onto the next and look forward!!!
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Post by Simonn on Jun 29, 2009 18:43:22 GMT
I am sure i can speak for half of the people on hg,that we are not green eyed monsters. We all pay for entries,travelling costs and expect to be judged fairly,amjority of us ride our own ponies to success without the help of a producer to ride a pony in the ring for us. What appalled me was that a competior went to the show thinking they were going to take home the tickets,what a waste for everyone eles.
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Post by titch on Jun 29, 2009 22:28:13 GMT
But didn't get both!!!!
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Post by Honalulu on Jun 30, 2009 13:46:57 GMT
I am sure i can speak for half of the people on hg,that we are not green eyed monsters. We all pay for entries,travelling costs and expect to be judged fairly,amjority of us ride our own ponies to success without the help of a producer to ride a pony in the ring for us. What appalled me was that a competior went to the show thinking they were going to take home the tickets,what a waste for everyone eles. What Utter Crap! It's a very good pony and deserved to win. The judge is straight through & through You may be amateur but think like a pro - tomorrow is another day. Your time may come when you least expect it. Rememebr it is only the M&M crowd who act in this way. The horse people are more mature ;D
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Post by coxwood on Jun 30, 2009 14:58:06 GMT
I think there might be repercussions we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by ponymum on Jun 30, 2009 15:17:31 GMT
Repercussions?? How can there? The judges decision is final....surely??
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Post by monarch123 on Jun 30, 2009 16:53:03 GMT
i spoke to one of the connections with the c and even he admitted it was not true to type and did have a word with the judge after the a/b class as he felt the B should have won, he knew he was going to get the c through because of what had happened in the previous class.
I am not a green eyed monster and my pony is having a good season. I just like things to be done on a level playing field and clearly this isnt happening. I used to have sj and event horses, where there is no bit*hing, you have to jump etc to win. No facey judges!! and favours
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Post by seagull on Jun 30, 2009 18:24:23 GMT
its not about pro and amateur or green eyed monsters.its about straight fair judging.i have been lucky enough to ..get my pony to the top.its been hard but i have done it myself not with producers on board.judges should start to look at the animals not the face of the jockey.
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Post by Honolulu on Jun 30, 2009 18:43:00 GMT
I think there might be repercussions we will just have to wait and see. There won't as any objection against the judging would be down to self interest only. Only those who expect to win and then lose object because they are they ones with egos too big to accept defeat. Judging results depend on beauty in the eye of the beholder not competitor verdicts. Great to see new ponies up the line. this season was becoming hte most boringly predictable on record.
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Post by coxwood on Jun 30, 2009 21:33:46 GMT
Well '' Honolulu Guest '' I had no pony competing in any of the classes or for that matter even entered so certainly had no expections of winning / losing . I have never seen the point in objecting far better to get on with the job , I'm all for new ponies coming to the fore as long as they are good examples of their breed and not just because of who's sat on them .
And if its all about looking beautiful my boy will have no problem cos he gorgeous !!! haha.
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Post by monarch123 on Jul 1, 2009 0:21:31 GMT
Has anybody found any of the photographs? I have looked on pleasure prints and there are none listed there. Please let me know as I would like to order one if possible.
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Post by fmm nli on Jul 1, 2009 5:04:12 GMT
The bit of pleasure prints that does hickstead never puts the pixs on line - you have to buy them there and then.
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Post by noodles on Jul 1, 2009 7:43:36 GMT
they didnt take any of the h/f/d section...said they missed it.
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Post by Kittiwake on Jul 1, 2009 8:20:14 GMT
Saw Steph taking photos for Showing World before the championship if that helps.
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Post by emmajs04 on Jul 1, 2009 9:44:38 GMT
Well done to the slush family with Rumpus you deserve it and they always look fab. Hope Alex gets his next.
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Post by hannah smith on Jul 1, 2009 21:55:49 GMT
Having competed against the normal jockey and pony all year it does put in a good show show after show. Conformation marks have varied for it and it hasn't always got good ones under bsps judges. It got fantastic conf marks down Royal cornwall and these are nps judges. It's a shame it's normal jockey wasn't on board as she would of been delighted to qualify him! Bet Sam did do a good job though. Look forward to seeing him at Hoys and there are still lots more qualifiers so everybody onto the next and look forward!!!
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Post by forester on Jul 2, 2009 7:07:17 GMT
in fairness i think keeshen renagade should have won the c class he was robbed.
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Post by dollar on Jul 3, 2009 11:37:49 GMT
Has any one got a copy of the Hoys D marks ;D
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Post by hunter on Jul 3, 2009 17:47:39 GMT
sorry but imo the c is stuning as as for saying he is not typey ,what utter rubbish ,he IS a true old fashioned c not one of these awfull boneless modern c's that look more like B's should be tand go up and down on the spot like sewing machines nearly knocking there teeth out with there knees !!!!! And im not surprised nps judges prefer him .
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Post by titch on Jul 3, 2009 22:22:13 GMT
Yes alot do go up and down and look impressive but even my 12 3 c can cover more ground than them!!!!
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