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Post by guest at royal show on Jul 9, 2009 19:57:48 GMT
some of the competitors were shocked, i could hear their comments from the ringside, it was shocking to be honest, i know this kind of thing goes on with certain judges and certain competitors and it sort of becomes accepted, but this was ridiculous, how she could not place absolutely beautiful animals that went perfect is just proving that she is either a poor judge or chose to ignore these animals !!!! also i don'tpersonally agree with one judge that rides them as well, there is nobody else in the ring to remind of earlier ones making mistakes, or a second opinion on the placings at least, but there should be two judges really.
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Post by trendsetter on Jul 9, 2009 20:00:09 GMT
Does anyone know what was 2nd in the small hunter?
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Post by shp2 on Jul 9, 2009 20:03:46 GMT
1st first edition jane webber 2nd state policy alwyn fradley 3rd colorado adam winbourne 4th paddy swan claire oliver
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Post by tuppence on Jul 9, 2009 20:12:03 GMT
some of the competitors were shocked, i could hear their comments from the ringside, it was shocking to be honest, i know this kind of thing goes on with certain judges and certain competitors and it sort of becomes accepted, but this was ridiculous, how she could not place absolutely beautiful animals that went perfect is just proving that she is either a poor judge or chose to ignore these animals !!!! also i don'tpersonally agree with one judge that rides them as well, there is nobody else in the ring to remind of earlier ones making mistakes, or a second opinion on the placings at least, but there should be two judges really. What I am surprised about is that she only pulled 3 in, in order. I think it's rude of jugdes not to pull in every single horse in the class, to show the order of merit all the way down the line. OK sometimes when you are very very pushed for time you can pull in the top 6 and then have the rest as they are but to only pull in 3............?
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Post by pootle123 on Jul 9, 2009 20:18:12 GMT
Hi, can anyone tell me who won the cuddy's please.
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Post by hollycane on Jul 9, 2009 21:07:35 GMT
Tuppence, perhaps the order of the rest were literally "as they are"? I agree that to appear to not make any effort to demonstrate that each horse has a definitie place can be disappointing though. I'm surprised that Promises Kept won but I wasn't there on the day. The Philanderer has not neccessarily been sharp but has had a mouth problem. Neither would be my personal top RH choices. Again I wasn't there. It's down to the judge on the day and we all know that if you really object to the results with good reason, write to the BSHA. You will get a response. If you really believe something was amiss we, the public have the power to address any behaviour that we perceive as unfair. Get writing!!!
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Post by guest43 on Jul 9, 2009 21:46:18 GMT
Can someone please explain this to me: The Philanderer can behave in ways that would be unacceptable for any other horse but not be penalised. Why are judges scared to mark it down? I love this horse but don't think it should receive special treatment when it misbehaves as it did today at The Royal. isn't this the same for all the top producers? claire olivers small didnt give the judge a very good ride and was quite naughty in the go around but was stii 4th beating some excellent horses that gave a foot perfect ride
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Post by colourful on Jul 9, 2009 21:56:45 GMT
Dont mean to upset anyone - but you cant judge how good a ride a horse gives - until you sit on it ! and if you could - well what is the point of a judge riding
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Post by guest43 on Jul 9, 2009 22:00:26 GMT
it fell out of canter, not asked for, and went into a really unbalanced and clearly uncomfortable trot before picking up canter again. i'm sure the current small hunter of the year must give a pretty good ride and you dont need to sit on it to say that!
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Post by colourful on Jul 9, 2009 22:04:54 GMT
Sorry but before I judged anything on its ride - I really would want to - well - ride it ?? but heyho, thats showing for you ;D
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Post by guest43 on Jul 9, 2009 22:13:17 GMT
yeah i get your point, but aren't the horses also supposed to be mannerly etc?!
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Post by hog and dog on Jul 9, 2009 22:17:45 GMT
As a spectator of the small hunters today I thought that following the go round the initial pull in was done on faces and not horses. I base this on some bad behaviour and no producer pulled in to my knowledge lower than 8th out of at least double this number.
This is just my opinion.
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Post by duster on Jul 9, 2009 22:51:04 GMT
I watched both RH classes completely. Promises Kept went well and has good conformation and appeared to deserve the win. In the championship, he looked slightly less polished and more downhill or flat than Silken Story. The large class was a strong class with some lesser animals in there further down the line. The Philanderer really ought to have been moved down on the day; he has plenty of days when he can win. The winning horse was foot perfect, smooth and very calm. The fourth horse looked a million dollars and I thought would give the winner a run for their money due to his presence and looks. And I am entitled to MY opinion, even though it counts for nothing.
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Post by fmm on Jul 10, 2009 0:30:24 GMT
I am not referring to the large riding horse class foglet....... We would be very pleased to discover exactly WHICH of our horses is being referred to by this "guest". With a rider of Jayne's calibre and a back up team second to none, we don't need to make use of illegal substances. Admittedly the back up team look forward to the break after HOYS and the beginning of the next year's showing in order to recover, as they probably are among the hardest working professionals on the circuit - both with regard to the number of horses they produce each week to an incredibly high standard, and the results that have been achieved this year. Not only with Jayne riding, but with the owners riding as well. In addition, our yard (due to our association with several showing internet sites) always has many work experience people throughout the year and if there was anything "dodgy" going on, then it would be all too easy to be exposed. As there is nothing to expose, then it makes a great environment for people who want to learn more about showing all types of horses. I have not been at the Royal this week as I have been on holiday, but was saddened to see the comments made - not about whether Phil should have been second, fifth or ninety first - that is a matter to take up with the judge - we happen to think he is amazing, but then we would. What has been far, FAR worse are the slanderous comments which resulted from that. If you have something to say, stand up and be counted - don't hide. We all would like to get out into the open whatever it is you "think" you "know" - we don't have anything to hide, Jayne has very few judging commitments, so not sure why you are so scared of putting your name to your accusations as there won't be any repercussions from us.
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Post by jimjim on Jul 10, 2009 6:02:40 GMT
isn't this the same for all the top producers? claire olivers small didnt give the judge a very good ride and was quite naughty in the go around but was stii 4th beating some excellent horses that gave a foot perfect ride[/quote]
Cant beat Claire Oliver under that judge - amazing it got a rosette
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Post by jinja on Jul 10, 2009 6:38:05 GMT
I am confused about whats being said about the small hack class we watched it as we are going into the class next year. The judge pulled them in order as I watched her do so right up to the last one. She moved round her line up because some did not go well for her, the grey did not go forward and she dropped it Simon Charlesworth was naughty and she dropped that. I can not say her choices were mine but she did not have horses that went badly in her final line up. At the end of the day what she likes is her decision.
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Post by ferret on Jul 10, 2009 7:01:34 GMT
when the judge rides in a class its very hard to imagine from the ringside what sort of ride they are getting ?
We all know that a horse can look like it goes very well and then when you sit on it , it can be a very different story !
I think that ride judges put them selves at risk to judge for us and i for one give them the respect for that !
I wish they rode them in M and M ridden classes , i think we would get some very different outcomes !
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Post by tafsmum on Jul 10, 2009 7:24:06 GMT
Can we keep this for results it is getting increasingly boring listening to the Philanderers ride at the Royal! It happens we know it does and we cant do a thing about it complaining on here. We have all experienced in our opinion poor judging and i'm sure as said before some lucky ones have been on the recieving end of some more positive judging. Oh and good luck today to all the horsegossipers in the heritage classes!!
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Post by hairys on Jul 10, 2009 7:25:55 GMT
Not a single result on the last 2 pages of this thread?? Can we get back on track please, afterall there is a moaners area on this site................. What time did the M&M's start this morning?
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 10, 2009 7:39:44 GMT
I agree, both sides have had their say, so I think it's time to move on.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 10, 2009 7:52:17 GMT
Hello, I have just taken a look at this and am shocked by some of what I see.
I was a Ride Judge (Hack, Cob & RH, as it was then) and Ridden Pure/Anglo/Part-bred Arabs, from 1975 to 2002, when I elected to come off the RIDE panels due to too many aches and pains.
You have to be tough and have stamina; you have to be "Riding Fit" you have to have considerable riding ability and stickability. You have to have a good 'eye' and you have to really enjoy riding on all saddles in all weathers. Oh, and you have to be able to Judge - and just for good measure, take the sort of flak that I have just been reading above.
For what? fot the occasional FANTASTIC ride - and at great risk of omitting some, Formidable, SuperTed, Kilkenny Marble, little Walton Touch of the Blues, and various Arabians (which you probably arn't bothered to hear about on this site) immediately spring to mind. Sorry, I might compile a proper little list when time allows!
I have hit the deck, incurred broken ribs, had to write off clothing - I could continue - we all run that risk.
So, before re-commencing Judge-bashing, why not put yourself up for Assessment for your chosen panel.
Sorry to go a little 'off topic' but this is supposed to be a results thread, so I thought and I am astounded to see how much bitterness is out there.
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Post by bellabella on Jul 10, 2009 7:53:08 GMT
Ok, M&M Hoys classes this morning so get those text ready, PC at the ready, we're waiting for the results please!
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Post by fmm on Jul 10, 2009 7:59:19 GMT
I agree, both sides have had their say, so I think it's time to move on. I understand your sentiment, MM, however, you have allowed an anonymous person to come onto your forum, make unsubstantiated allegations/insinuations that we win classes by nefarious means (apparently doping, although it is difficult to be precise) and we are allowed a single response before everyone is fed up with it? This is not a playground spat. A serious allegation has been made and you have allowed this allegation to sit on your website for 24 hours without taking any action. The yard is run as a business, and as a business, we cannot afford to have this type of allegation made without rebutting it as robustly as we can. We don't care what people think about Phil - as you can see we have not bothered to respond to that part of the thread. You win some, you lose some. However, it is rare for an anonymous poster to come onto the board and pick out one yard, making a slanderous statement of this nature by declaring that the yard wins by using illegal methods. Yes ILLEGAL. And at that point it gets a lot more serious than simply saying that it is not fair if the judge places your pony first or last. Surely you can see that if you are happy to allow insinuations to be made, then the person making the accusations should be either forced to say exactly what they mean, and if proven false, then they should be identified and reprimmanded in some way. As said above, our yard is a business and an accusation such as this CAN have repercussions on that business - if you stand in our shoes for a moment you can perhaps realise the problem. I reiterate the request for the anonymous poster to be brave enough to say who they are and tell us exactly what they are talking about. Our results are achieved through the hard work of a dedicated team of people - don't denigrate what they do by suggesting we use illegal short cuts. Short cuts with horses DON'T work - as you should all know.
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Post by hp on Jul 10, 2009 8:08:39 GMT
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Post by wolfie on Jul 10, 2009 8:14:00 GMT
I was in the small hack class yesterday and was on the grey that was quite rightly dropped for doing a huge spook at the end of his ride. I am sure he takes pleasure in embarressing me every so often! Just to clarify, the judge pulled the first 4 at the end and then asked the rest of is to come in as we were. I agree this was unorthodox but I guess she had moved up the 2 that she wanted and didn't want to rearrange the rest of the line up.
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Post by results0204 on Jul 10, 2009 8:14:12 GMT
been doing my homework on the large int in question...... its entered as "Seatle" and belongs to Sally Boweman and Mary Marshalsea. It is with Thomas' and ridden by Debbies groom. Hope i have got this right!! Well done guest 1234 . It will be one to watch for the future! oh i saw debbies groom on the side line Sophie as she come and collected it from the ring when it was sent out. Perhaps it was a stand in jockey the girl looked quite young who was riding it just tall. She was very upset when she come out hope shes feeling better now. We all have them days when our horses decide they want to show of there new party tricks to all there friends ! hehe
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Post by hollycane on Jul 10, 2009 8:15:31 GMT
Good luck to all you folk today. Hope the weather is as gorgeous at the Royal as it is down here!
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Post by Guestless on Jul 10, 2009 8:16:57 GMT
Just to clarify, the judge pulled the first 4 at the end and then asked the rest of is to come in as we were. I agree this was unorthodox but I guess she had moved up the 2 that she wanted and didn't want to rearrange the rest of the line up. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that - if the judge was happy with the rest of the placings then that was her call and I would rather follow in than wait to get pulled in individually if no horses are being moved about. I guess the comments about some lower placed horses going perfectly are a different topic altogether, but they may have had something conformationally that put them there. Any M&M results yet - inhand or ridden?
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Post by results0204 on Jul 10, 2009 8:17:28 GMT
oh found the jockeys name Gemma Hobbs hope your feeling better now !
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Post by annag006 on Jul 10, 2009 8:34:06 GMT
Any Welsh B results yet?
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