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Post by haribo on Sept 2, 2009 9:39:23 GMT
Dear Ivansmum,
In no way did I have a go at your Daughters riding, I thought she rode very well and got a good tune out the ones I saw her ride, however our fella is a tricky customer and I was stating my shock at the fact that we were confronted with a ride judge when many ponies in that class would be under 14.2hh.
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 10:35:48 GMT
they have ruined many of the monthly shows by their intervention and folks arent attending these poor shows which we so desperately need ...because of them ! We are struggling to find regular local shows where one of the committee isn't stewarding, hasn't hijacked the secretaries tent or just generally interfering with how the show should be run, one in particular is really struggling which never happened a couple of years ago - only since MIDARC have been involved on show day. Not sure how you would get any of them voted off and I can't understand why so many shows continue to hold qualifiers year after year for the benefit of the 4 shareholders.
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 10:35:48 GMT
Well it appears you are all trying to assinate the Midland Championships, so let me as Chairman try and reply to your remarks
First of all though, I would ask why you all hide behind anonymous names as most who know me will know that I will always try and answer you as best as I can, I dont hold grudges and always accept genuine criticism
Right, starting from the top
The charge for the evening performances was meant to be for those who just turned up to watch and had not competed on the day, after all, these events cost a lot of money, and we felt that the spectator who is not competing should contribute towards the costs, otherwise these costs would have to be passed on to the competitor or in many cases their parents. For those of you who were there, there were two speciifc standing areas on either side of the arena to which there was no charge for entry.
The committee have had quite a good year, as the organisation was revamped in the spring, we did expect and did get some hiccups. There have been a couple of people who have left us one reason or another, but they have never been involved in the running of the Championships in anyway shape or form, so the knockers on here are totally wrong.
I cannot comment on the Judging, showing is subjective, we try and have different judges for each event, this year was no exception, in fact out of all the 9 judges we used at Rodbaston, only 2 had previously been to the Championships, and for 2010 it will be a completely different set of judges again.
I dont think we have struggled since senior judges resigned, in fact only two have left, and one of those went before they were asked to. The other one put themselves in a really intolerable situation, it could have been and still is resolvable, but we will have to wait and see on that one.
Yes, we do have pride, but it is pride in the events we organise, but all people are different, and if people decide to walk away and do there own thing, there is life outside Midarc, you dont hear us openly criticise these people, but some have been downright rude, abusive and openly hostile and we are aware that many of these problems are coming from one particular area, and we suspect that some of the comments on here are from people who were not even at the show over the weekend.
It was in the schedule that there was a ride judge, and these classes have had a ride judge for the past few years.
Sorry about the veteran class, this always seem to be controversial as all judges seem to judge this in their own way, but it is a point taken on board and we will try and educate judges in our way of judging this particular class.
Yes, £5 for car parking, why should you as a spectator not pay to come in, what makes you think it should be free, again as per the evening tickets, if you dont pay, then we will have to pass this on to the competitor, be realistic, where can you go these days, and have a potential day out for £5. We have always charged for car parking, so its not new, its 13 shows old, and of course you could have pre purchased a car pass at a reduced rate, many did.
Now Badgerrewoo - I presume no new ring changes, wrong, we had new classes and as said before 7 new judges, , no rules were made up as we went along and if you think they were why did you not come and tell us, it could have been investiagted at the time, other complaints were and resolved there and then. The entry fees are some of the lowest around and have been the same for the past few years, try getting the same entry fees and stable fees at Royal London, Trailblazers, Festival etc, we have deliberately kept them down with our thoughts on the current economic situation.
The X factor was fully explained in the schedule, and if competitors didnt like the way we were staging the competiton they need not have entered, the ones that did, have nearly all asked for it again for 2010, in fact your comments are just what we expected from this type of competiton when your favourite didnt win, its called bad sportsmanship.
Not going into the £7 charge again.
If Lorry parking people were rude, then you should have come and told someone, 72 hours later is not a lot of good to anyone.
We have looked at the Royal london show and others of a similar ilk, and in comparison, we are not ripping anyone off at all, they dont provide displays in the evenings, and just check around you, the Midland Championships is the largest show of its kind in the UK, it is the only show offering, Showjumping, Ridden and In Hand Showing and Dressage, and we are proud of that fact, and that representatives from some of the larger shows came to the show over the weekend and have asked us for ideas.
The commentator for most of the show was a young lady who has done this for past 3 years as well, other people did fill in from time to time, everyone has their style, some are enjoyed and some are not.
To kay15, you have obviously no idea of what you are talking about, the result of the X factor surpised us and if you wish to know why, contact me directly and i will tell you why, it was judged exactly how it was set out to be, and in 20 minutes we had over 800 text votes, and whilst i will not reveal what the voting was, there was not more 13 votes between the first 3, if you have an idea how it can be done differently then do please let us know, we are always interested in workable ideas.
AS to a judge saying a competitor has been robbed, watch X factor and strictly this year, isnt this what happens with various competitors, ie John Sergeant etc, I think everyone knows where we are coming from on this one.
Hi Dancer, The ride judge was in the programme, it wasnt a suprise, it had been on the schedule for quite a while and has been standard practice at the champs for a few years, but do appreciate your comments about Novice Ponies and we will look at this for next year.
As far as I am aware the Show Liaision officer has answered all queries over the year reasonably thoroughly, and anything he hasnt been able to do he has pased on to the relevant party, and we get copied into all queries and replys.
We will stay afloat and very healthily too, there will always be complaints about judges, it is the nature of the game, there is really most of the time only one happy person and that is the winner, we are not aware of any probationary judges working on their own without our permission, permission has been given on a couple of occasions for this to happen, but it is handful and usually been due to last minute illness etc, if you know different please let us know and we can investigate as this is not supposed to happen and we do take a dim view of this, so if it has happened we apologise, but lets have the shows and dates please.
Favouritism to family members, certainly not at the Championships, if we are talking at other shows, then again information please, it happened once very early in the season and that was nipped in the bud as soon as we knew, but not aware of anything else, dotnt know about probationers judging their own ponies, again details please so we can look into it, and as to shows declining to hold qualifiers, well we jumped from 24 clubs in 2008 to 53 in 2009, and we have a waiting list of interested clubs for 2010, so i dont know of any shows declining to hold qualifiers, please enlighten us, we have turned a couple down though, and we did have one where the chief sponsor threatened to pull his sponsorship if they ran our qualifiers, that makes them a sad person and the show organisers even worse to have their show organised for them
Hi Starlight, yes we agree that to know why a judge has made the decisions they made would be great, we do provide them with score sheets but ,because, well I think this is the reason, they are normally BSPS or Ponies UK panel judges, they decline to use them and without a stand up discussion we cannot force them to, its unfortunate, but we do agree with you
As for all the old faces have left, again this is incorrect, the Championships at least since 2001 have had the same basic 6 people organising and putting it together, there are others that obviously help and contribute in different but very valuable ways, but the backbone of the work always falls back to these 6. perhaps some of you would like to offer your help for 2010.
Commentator remarks are noted and will be discussed, but many of you tell us you enjoy, but we will try and get a better balance
Now to randolph, and comments currently displayed, they are the only ones we have so far sent in, and if you are fair, you know that we publish anything as long as it is not a personal attack on anyone, you will know this because this is what caused a problem with a senior judge back in March, as far as i am concerned you are entitled to say what you want to, but we also have the right to reply, but to repeat we will not publish personal attacks nor anything that is anonymous, and we dont publish personal details, so telling us who you are goes no further.
I dont know where you get the idea we made £12K out of last years show, that is really laughable, and our accounts will be available at the end of the year, but you will have to bear in mind that they cover the whole year and include all the other events and things we organise, some are profitable some are not, but if anyone wants more detailed accounts, please ask, its not a problem
I can assure everyone that all the judges are panel judges with one association or another, the stewards we use are generally our trainees as its gives them good expereince of working with different judges and at a higher level, under no circumstances did any of the trainees actually judge a class.
The Judge (Mrs Chris Andrews) who was "retiring" was given an award for her support over the years, and she was also given a bouquet of flowers, she is not retiring in full, she is devoting more time to her own horses and family, but will still be seen out at local shows like Stanley Park and other events when committments will allow. We appreciate her work for us, and like all organisations, people move on and so does the Championships.
Re intervention in other shows, its a give away really, the only shows we have been involved with have all reported increases in attendances, and it has been noticeable that certain people have not been there, so i think you can draw your own conclsuions to that
As for the man at the top, okay if you want to buy myself and my wife out, please feel free to make us an offer, we would be delighted, I dont suppose you know that my wife collapsed on the showground on Friday night and I dont suppose you really care, she spent most of the friday night in hospital, and then made it to the championships on saturday, only to have to be taken home later.
But you wont do that, because unfortunately for you, we do have hundreds of well wishers and supporters, and they are quick to tell us who most of you are on here, and for Randolph I know the type of person you are and you wouldnt have the guts to take over an organisation like this, as your ego wouldnt allow you to accept the criticism.
Finally, the Championships was born out of Stanley Park, and this was the 13th time we have staged them. We know that nothing will be 100% perfect, there will always be hiccups, and there will always be judges that you dont agree with, there have been comments on here we agree with and we will look at ways of resolving them, but there are also comments from people who just spread their particular type of vindictiveness around beacuse they cannot get their own way.
We will always accept justifiable criticism, but why dont you instead of going on to a public domain, contact us direct, things are 95% resolvable or explainable, and if they are not, then go on a public domain if you so wish, or better still offer to help put things that you think are wrong, right.
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 10:50:04 GMT
Bryan, I think what you need to take away from the comments made on here is that these were 1st time attenders that were very dissappointed & probably won't return next year. Obviously you can take the view that they are a minority (how many others were unhappy but don't come on here or can be bothered to contact you?) & you will always have your supporters but the key will always be to listen to ALL of the competitors irrespective of whether you (or the rest of the comittee) like what they say & try to act on it where you can so that people can see the changes. Having had ponies competing in the class, I'm not aware that the Ridden M&M's have had ride judges for the past few years only the Horses but good to see you will consider the Novice aspect.
Unfortunately I don't have any faith in any complaints being investigated anonymously 'in house' so won't be taking up your offer to pass on details but others are aware of the times & places.
It's also a bit unfair to class a sponsor as 'sad' & criticise the show organisers for what was obviously a financial decision for them - after all haven't you just listed all the reasons why you have had to charge so much for the champs, should it be considered equally as 'sad' that you charge for car parking?
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 11:19:41 GMT
The show you are referring to has reported increased entries this year except for one weekend.
If people are acting as a Steward, Judge or help in the Secretarys, it is because they have been invited by the show organisers, if you do not wish to compete at any of these shows then that is your choice.
I like to know why you think there are 4 shareholders, there are six and if we are lucky we may get our expenses back out of it
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 11:24:26 GMT
But Bryan, the attitude 'if you don't like it don't attend' is the attitude that puts people off & then the only ones that suffer are the shows with low entries. Your comment shown above "we do have hundreds of well wishers and supporters, and they are quick to tell us who most of you are on here" is another example of intimidatiory behaviour - can you not see how that comes across?
Surely you would be better to take a step back & question why anyone feels like this not just criticise them & tell them it's their problem - as you say on your own website everyone has their opinion & it won't necessarily agree with yours but as a show committee you can't afford to take things personally & need to use comments/criticism as a way to improve.
Also, I wasn't only referring to 1 show!
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 11:40:45 GMT
Hi dancer
We are well aware that these were first time attenders, there were a lot of them and we have literally had a lot of emails saying thank you. In fact both the Supreme Ridden and In hand Champions were both first timers.
The justifiable comments made by them have been noted and will be discussed.
We do listen to all comments, some we take on board, some are not praticable for either the show or the venue, some work when adapted to a different format and some are excellent, but some dont work at all, ie the Miniature Horse Classes, put on by request and sponsored, but 2 entries over 3 classes. You know we are always open to comments, and i do try and treat them failry
Sorry if you feel that you cannot make your comments to us directly for investigation, thats a tad unfair, even the rest of the committee dont get to find out who has made them
We have tried this year and past years to keep the costs down as much as we can to competitors, and we feel strongly that if we can raise funds from car parking and from those who dont actually compete, then it will help keep the entry fees at the same level.
However we are aware that some people were unhappy, and even quite abusive, but instead of going off shouting off elsewhere, if they had come to see any of us, matters would have been resolved.
Re costs, it might be of interest to know that this years event cost approx £19K to stage - and just the judges, stewards and other helpers costs of £6k to pay out on the day
We will be discussing 2010 shortly, this will be one of things top of the list, and maybe we will see you at Rodbaston in August as we are aware you didnt compete this year, and apologise that I didnt get time to say ehllo when you were on the showground
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 11:46:00 GMT
Why dont you just ring me, there is no itimidatory methods use, people are just disgusted that people that obviously know us, are commenting on public domain (not that that is a problem) and hiding behind names, we know who you are, its not that important , you obviously have issues that can be resolved, we are here its up to you.
By the way, the sponsor referred to, was invited to the championships, come and have a meal, and he was going to be invited to judge the ridden supreme. But apart from an acknowledgement and they would let us know, I did not have the courtesy of a reply, so i think that shows the standard of person we are dealing with, and to bring yours and my friend inot who was semi retiring was totally disgraceful
Ring me if you want to discuss, you know where I am
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 12:21:49 GMT
Just for the record I have not commented on the senior judge who retired but it was nice to read that her help has been appreciated over the years!
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Post by jodievn on Sept 2, 2009 12:33:30 GMT
can i just say that the only reason i mentioned parking was because my friend got charged and she wasnt spectating she was just droping off our jockey then going. apart from the veteran in hand class i did enjoy my time at the midlands championships and i thought the rosettes and trophies were v nice
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 13:18:17 GMT
Hi Jodieven Sorry about that, contact us by email to midlandriding@yahoo.co.uk and we will organise a refund for you, its not a problem. So apologies, our gateman can be a bit over enthusiastic at times
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 13:20:17 GMT
Hi Dancer Her help and yours have always been appreciated, without it, the association would not be where it is today, and she has told us and reiterated last night that she would be still be about but albeit on a much reduced scale, so its not all bad news
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Post by applejack1 on Sept 2, 2009 13:39:11 GMT
I agree with starlight. There was a L/R M&M pony which stopped on its show and didn't want to go forward. Surely other ponies that went perfectly sweetly on their show should have been placed above that? It was our first time at the Midland Championships. We were pleased to have qualified, and took our baby pony, but don't think we would return.
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Post by Guestless on Sept 2, 2009 13:40:13 GMT
Can members please note text speak should be kept for the junior lounge on here only.
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Post by applejack1 on Sept 2, 2009 13:41:33 GMT
I agree with starlight. There was a L/R M&M pony which stopped on its show and didn't want to go forward. Surely other ponies that went perfectly sweetly on their show should have been placed above that? It was our first time at the Midland Championships. We were pleased to have qualified, and took our baby pony, but don't think we would return.
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Post by ivansmum on Sept 2, 2009 20:19:58 GMT
Ivansmum, I'm sure no-one had any complaints over your daughter's riding - she seems to do very well with her own ponies & others from what I've seen & as a MIDARC probation judge yourself I'm sure you will defend them to the end!! My query was that if you are having a ride judge it is usually advertised prior to the class starting - not advised on the day, I'm sure you are aware some novice ponies may not be used to being ridden by others & this is the MIDARC champs after all, not BSPS/PUK/NPS so most people expect it to be suitable for bringing novices without having these extra rules thrown at them at the last minute. I don't have any query that I would bother directing to the Liaison Officer but will be interested to see if this association manages to stay afloat next year amid complaints about judges, probationers without supervision, favouritism towards committee family members, probationers judging their own ponies & shows declining to hold qualifiers. I am defending the comments made about my daughter as a mother not in any capacity to do with Midarc I do not have that authority which is why I directed the query to the shows liasion officer. You are correct in your description of her sucess this year, she is also involved with another pony who has gained a HOYS ticket. I am however a little disconcerted about your other comments, are they directed toward either my daughter of myself? If they are as you have exposed my own identity can I then suggest you do the same.
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Post by lottiechad on Sept 2, 2009 20:20:59 GMT
I think the biggest problem with MIDARC is the aforementioned mouthy sidekick!! and Bryan I wouldnt think that is Pat that anyone is referring to. we have competed with great success and enjoyment at these shows in the past but we are very glad to have moved on before things have gone in the direction they have. It is a real shame as these shows used to be a fantastic day out and if you did well you would feel a sense of acheivment, this would no longer seem to be the case, sadly.
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 2, 2009 21:03:52 GMT
Hi Lottiechad If you have moved on thats great and we wish you success at a higher level, thats is what we see Midarc as, a stepping stone to better things.. I am interested to know what direction you think we have moved in, all the judges without exception commented on how high the standards are, and one leading Ponies UK judge actually said that many riders would not have been out of place at their Championships. Now you can look at that two ways, a) they obviously believe that the show is of a standard good enough for them or b) what are they doing at what some see as a purely local show I cant answer that. And no I didnt think that it was Pat referred to at all, and if anyone on here wishes to come along and put the work he as done, and that of other members of the committee, then you are welcome to critcise, but to sit on the sidelines and throw the barbs that are being thrown is not good really. We have been criticised for not putting negative comments on the web site, well the truth is we havent had any except for on here, and so far we have been to answer most of the comments to those peoples satisfaction, and the points they have raised have been noted. For a show of this size, the number of small and they are very small complaints, says we are doing something right. There has been one serious complaint made by phone and the matter was resolved very quickly to everyones satisfaction All we aks people is stop hiding behind anonymous screen names, email us and whatever your problem with us is, we will do our best to resolve it
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 21:21:08 GMT
Ivansmum, as I have said to Bryan I do not wish to take any issue further & therefore will not be discussing the who or when on here - I also have not exposed your identity, yes, I know who you & your daughter are from your comment that 'she has qualified her own cob for HOYS', don't think there's many people at MIDARC that can say that are there?! If you don't want to identify yourself then it's probably best to keep your achievements under wraps & why would you particularly think the comments are aimed at you?.
Bryan, it's clear who people are criticising & I'm sure he does do a lot of work for you but again you have to listen to what people are saying - he is putting competitors off from attending, I know it's not intentional & he's probably just a bit over zealous & enthusiastic but nevertheless it's affecting the feeling towards the association & this is something that you have to take into account if you really care about 'listening to the customer', if not, then ignore it but don't be surprised, or defensive, if negative comments are made in your direction.
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Post by ivansmum on Sept 2, 2009 21:33:49 GMT
Well dancer you are not correct, there is another (sorry Starwars pun), one patricular Assistant Judge in her younger years has completed in two of the horse sections at HOYS, but keeps it under wraps I also may be correct in saying one of the 'invisted' judges this year is an old employer of yours, she did a great job and it was so nice to chat with her again and catch up.
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Post by dancer on Sept 2, 2009 21:44:55 GMT
I am sorry to disappoint you - I'm not sure who's misinformed you but as far as I'm aware none of my old employers were judging, ay least I'd be very surprised if they were, they all work in offices ;D but I'm glad you had an enjoyable time chatting to whoever it was!
I am aware that one of the Assistant judges was involved in horse that competed at HOYS in the past but she doesn't have a daughter who has qualified one of her own Welsh cobs this year, as you stated, does she?!
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Post by kay15 on Sept 2, 2009 23:13:53 GMT
hi bryan, can u plz let me no a number i can contact u plz! wud really like to contact u personally! many thanks
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Post by randolf on Sept 3, 2009 7:35:33 GMT
well well well ! I go away for a couple of days and I return to find all hells broken lose !! Mr shear .... I dont know you that well I confess , but it appears you dont know ANYONE on here, with the exception of your judge . Your comments seem misguided at least .... Firstly the trappy sidekick is a SHE ... and no , not your dear wife . John Sergeant didnt pay a entrance fee or probably a stable, car park or for that matter any other fee to be judged fairly , so I fail to see the comparison. Your comments about the judge who you invited for lunch , are both rude and judgemental and I hope she/he reads this and puts a formal complaint on your own site .... which of course you will publish !. I certainly am not whoever you think I am , in fact if I did give my name ...which I wont , as your confidentiality rule has been broken on numerous times to my limited knowledge..you would be none the wiser . Well lets hope it all goes better next year . Try to tone down your acidic comments and you may get along better . Learn to ignore comments you feel are personal... As your nasty replies only show your organisation in a bad light .
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 3, 2009 8:17:39 GMT
loliechad , randolf , well said .what a load of woffle of mr shear . and does it matter that IF you do know people on her !!! the show was a total rip of and an al full lot of people now it and said it !!! and buy the way you did move classes that competitors very nearly miss there class , the x factor was farce the wrong one won it should of been the 2 with the highest marks not the one with the most friends ,with the lowest marks !!! and i have no connection at all , like i siad it was a very good class that went wrong !!!
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Post by dancer on Sept 3, 2009 9:20:26 GMT
Following on from Ivansmum incorrect assumption about who I am - can I just clarify Bryan that it would appear from your posts that you also think I am someone else (maybe you were given a name by one of your supporters?), I wasn't on the showground at all at the weekend, neither have I helped you out over the years.
I agree that it doesn't matter who anyone on here is - if they have a valid point then it should be considered/taken into account no matter who they are.
Just as a final note - Bryan, there is a big difference between resolving issues to the satisfaction of both parties & just ignoring the points raised & giving irrelevant answers until the author gives up but I suspect no-one is really listenening to what has been said.
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 3, 2009 9:41:41 GMT
From the 3 complaints made on here, we have resolved two of them to everyones satisfaction, and third lady is ringing me later to talk to us, which is all that we ask.
We have taken on board a couple of points that have been made as they are quite valid, and the X factor was run exactly as the rules said it would, it might not seem fair we know and we will look at it over the winter as the class has created a lot of interest.
We are not waiting for people to give up at all, as we have said before I am always willing to listen, and if you do have any ideas at all, would be pleased to receive them, after all it is from one of your close friends that we got the X factor idea from.
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Post by bryanshear on Sept 3, 2009 9:43:21 GMT
Hi badgeroo we like your term wot a rip off, perhpas you would to settle your bill with us first, then you might have the right to complain
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Post by dancer on Sept 3, 2009 9:45:35 GMT
That's good to hear about the complaints - not so sure about the X Factor idea (but will ask around!), still think it's a case of mistaken identity!
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Post by horseworld on Sept 3, 2009 16:51:17 GMT
After reading all of these posts re Midarc Champs i am appalled at how a select few feel the need to sour what was a fantastic weekend. Yes i was a first time attendee and furthermore so were the majority of competitors attending from my livery yard all of whom also had a fabulous weekend.
There is a well known saying that you can't please all of the people all of the time which, from experience, i know to be one of the trueist sayings invented! However, i fail to understand why those people cannot just accept that the event is not for them and either do not attend or, where circumstances prevail, directly contact the Midarc Team to voice their complaints. As this has not occurred, I cannot view this anonymous onslaught as anything other than spineless and an attempt to slur the good name of the Midarc Team and an unaffilliated championship event, which, for most is the highlight of their equine calender!
I agree that judges may not get it right 100% of the time - they are only human and what they see on the day is the only premis they have for making sometimes difficult decisions, but this by no means is pertinent only to showing. Dressage can be at times fairly subjective. ( I am wondering at this point how many complaints on this page are from dressage competiors - if i had to make an educated guess i would say none). Unless you wish to showjump i.e you either knock a pole down or leave it up, subjectiveness will always be part and parcel of equine competitions and, those unable to firstly accept cristism, secondly not win and thirdly have to shout anonymous scathing banter perhaps are in the wrong sport!
In terms of the personal onslaught toward members of the MIdarc Committee i feel this is an unfair attack on people's personalities. I wonder how many of you, on a regular basis, post such comments about undesirable work colleagues or neighbours or indeed family members all of which just don't happen to be your type of person. Am i correct in thinking you would not entertain the idea of insulting other poeple you don't like in such a public manner. Why therefore do you think its ok to do so in this case? For info an incident occured close to the showjumping ring where a horse reared up, fell over backwards and appeared to have some form of fit, it was a very frightening experience for everyone around and extremely upsetting for the horses owner. Literally WITHIN MINUTES the so called "sidekick " ,one of you have referred to, was at the horses side, had organised the vet and had calmed the people around! He dealt with an awful situation quickly and efficiently, with empathy and support. Wonder if you would be slagging him off quite so much if that had been your horse!! (Later heard the horse had in fact been stung in the eye by a wasp).
I could go on forever but in a nutshell i would just like to say - think first before you let sour grapes spoil the fun for the majority.
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Post by dancer on Sept 3, 2009 20:14:01 GMT
Horseworld - I think you'll find that Bryan has said most people on here have contacted him directly so that is no longer an issue.
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