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Post by randolf on Sept 1, 2009 6:52:03 GMT
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Post by fairmarsh on Sept 1, 2009 8:21:02 GMT
Well done lauley with mountain gale and llanfrechfa gold dust also well done to her daddy richard exton for his lovely mincing lol xx
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 8:45:58 GMT
Was this the MIDARC champs at Rodbaston over the weekend?
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Post by randolf on Sept 1, 2009 9:00:38 GMT
yes it was
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 9:05:45 GMT
What was the turnout like? - we didn't go this year for various reasons. I think it's fair to say the Committee haven't had a good year (of their own doing) - & yes all the old faces have left which appears to be their main problem!
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Post by becki2810 on Sept 1, 2009 9:26:05 GMT
I heard the judging was awful! Didnt go myself so cant say
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 10:38:42 GMT
They have struggled since all of their senior judges resigned. Unfortunately it seems the Committee's pride has been the downfall.
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Post by haribo on Sept 1, 2009 11:00:25 GMT
We went and now wish we hadn't bothered, there were 19 forward in the large breeds which they split into welsh and non-welsh. All seemed ok until they were pulled in and then we were asked if it was ok for the ride-judge get on, understandably my daughter was very confused but we relented because everyone else did. The pony didn't go brilliantly and I now realise how much easier makes him look. Wished we'd refused but hindsight is a wonderful thing !!!
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Post by haribo on Sept 1, 2009 11:01:41 GMT
(how much easier she makes him look)
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Post by ivansmum on Sept 1, 2009 12:01:07 GMT
We went and now wish we hadn't bothered, there were 19 forward in the large breeds which they split into welsh and non-welsh. All seemed ok until they were pulled in and then we were asked if it was ok for the ride-judge get on, understandably my daughter was very confused but we relented because everyone else did. The pony didn't go brilliantly and I now realise how much easier makes him look. Wished we'd refused but hindsight is a wonderful thing !!! Dear Haribo My daughter rode judge those classes, do you happen to have a Fell pony? I will pass your comments on to her, however I would like to point out to you that it was published in thier schedule that these classes would have ride judges which I believe was explained in the ring at the time. Several of the competitors did thank her when she retuned thier horses for riding them so well and the winner of one class just exlaimed 'WOW'. Considering she has qualified one of her own Welsh Cobs for HOYS this year on a 49/50 ride mark I think your comments are unjustified, but please feel free to PM me and I am more than happy to put you in touch with her. Regards Proud Mum
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Post by jodievn on Sept 1, 2009 13:18:40 GMT
i Went i did the Veteran class in hand on Sunday with my 26 year old boy there was 23 in there and they did not slit it!! it seemed to go on wat horse the judge preferred than how good they looked for there age i am not been a bad loser but a there was a 29 year old next to me who looked fantastic for his age and moved lovely but a 15 year old won who looked 15 but ya know! wat can u do apart from avoid that judge lol
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 16:22:41 GMT
[quote author=ivansmum board=results thread=31244 post=289642 time=1251806467 I will pass your comments on to her, however I would like to point out to you that it was published in thier schedule that these classes would have ride judges which I believe was explained in the ring at the time. [/quote] I think you'll find only the horse classes state that there will be a ride judge www.midarc.co.uk/2009%20Championship%20Schedule.htmIf it doesn't state it in the schedule then it's a little bit late to be explaining it once competitors are in the ring. This is typical of the problems with MIDARC - they change the rules as & when they feel like it without any regard to the paying competitor, maybe organisation & professionalism should be top of their priorites not profits.
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Post by starlight on Sept 1, 2009 18:28:48 GMT
It was our first time at the champs and our first year doing showing and we were like many of you a little disappointed and confused. Our lead rein m&m was not placed despite not stopping during his show and behaving well. although i did not for one minute expect to be at the top of the line up i was along with others surprised when not placed at all. The same judge then gave him reserve champion in the equitation class
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Post by hormonal on Sept 1, 2009 18:45:25 GMT
Our lead rein m&m was not placed despite not stopping during his show and behaving well. although i did not for one minute expect to be at the top of the line up i was along with others surprised when not placed at all. The same judge then gave him reserve champion in the equitation class Wasn't there but sounds like the judge liked the way your pony performed and was ridden, but perhaps there was something about his conformation or type they weren't keen on. Lead rein M&Ms and equitation classes are judged on totally different criteria!
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 1, 2009 19:37:37 GMT
wot a rip of , , ring change no one new !! making there own rules up as they went on, midarc rules as there very own rules !!! charging to get in the show £5 , giving special rosettes instead of placing ones !! when you are paying affiliated prices £13 £15 £20 a class the winner takes all well wot a good idea £250 to the winner 6 go through to the evening performance to do there show again, then they have there marks there were 2 competitors who got the same marks 40 points so it was nail biting !! until they put the mockers on that one !! they decided to get the audience to text!! there favorite to win so the one that got the highest marks didn't win !! they turned a very good class into a popularity class so the deceived winner didn't win !!the judges even apologised for the result !!!! to top that they were charging the competitor's to watch the evening performance at £7 people was going mad it was a total rip off, there is two many cooks !!!!! the lorry parking man was very rude to people had not got a clue wot he was doing just liked telling people wot to do ! the commentator he was an idiot he loved the sound of hes own voice grated on people nerves , they want to have a big shake up and get there act together , and take a look a proper run show like the royal London show ,that is a championship show for ridding club people !!! that does not rip people of and the organisers are not up themselves very nice and a approachable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 20:02:08 GMT
I think you'll find the commentator likes to be known as the 'Show Director' ;D
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 1, 2009 20:16:08 GMT
ha ha ha ha
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Post by ivansmum on Sept 1, 2009 20:30:28 GMT
[quote author=ivansmum board=results thread=31244 post=289642 time=1251806467 I will pass your comments on to her, however I would like to point out to you that it was published in thier schedule that these classes would have ride judges which I believe was explained in the ring at the time. I think you'll find only the horse classes state that there will be a ride judge www.midarc.co.uk/2009%20Championship%20Schedule.htmIf it doesn't state it in the schedule then it's a little bit late to be explaining it once competitors are in the ring. This is typical of the problems with MIDARC - they change the rules as & when they feel like it without any regard to the paying competitor, maybe organisation & professionalism should be top of their priorites not profits. [/quote] I have checked with Midarc the ridge judge names were given in the schedule that was handed out on the day, Midarc have always had ridge judges in one ring or another for the past few years, even Ponies UK have ridge judges in the Kingsford. One competitor, who's novice was a little overcome by the occasion and lost it a bit came to thank the ridge judge in question for thier sympathy and kindness to their animal, and no they were not at the top of the line. However as I said, each person was given a choice in the ring on the day, it was not enforced on any competitor. If you have any queries their Show Liasion Officer will be happy to answer questions, details are on the web site.
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Post by kay15 on Sept 1, 2009 20:34:30 GMT
doesnt make a difference wat he wants to b known as! i totally agree they made a complete mess of that x factor, lets face it, it was obvious how many ppl the one competitor had supporting her! n the audience certainly made it obvious who was there favourite wen that certain competitor completed her show, it was one big fix to try and please all, but it just back fired n made the whole thing look stupid!! travellin all over the country competin i see alot of bad judgin but for once that was out of the judges hands the organisers are to blame for that! i strongly suggest they seriously consider how that class is judged next yr if they decide to run it again! i have never heard a judge tell a competitor they have been robbed till this weekend, surely that is enough to tell everyone at midarc they is something wrong!!!!!!
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 20:38:30 GMT
Ivansmum, I'm sure no-one had any complaints over your daughter's riding - she seems to do very well with her own ponies & others from what I've seen & as a MIDARC probation judge yourself I'm sure you will defend them to the end!!
My query was that if you are having a ride judge it is usually advertised prior to the class starting - not advised on the day, I'm sure you are aware some novice ponies may not be used to being ridden by others & this is the MIDARC champs after all, not BSPS/PUK/NPS so most people expect it to be suitable for bringing novices without having these extra rules thrown at them at the last minute.
I don't have any query that I would bother directing to the Liaison Officer but will be interested to see if this association manages to stay afloat next year amid complaints about judges, probationers without supervision, favouritism towards committee family members, probationers judging their own ponies & shows declining to hold qualifiers.
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 1, 2009 20:42:47 GMT
well said kay15 it was a farce never again will they get any money of me again .but the judges will get the blame not them !!
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Post by dancer on Sept 1, 2009 21:05:26 GMT
Just out of interest - how many of you that are not happy are first time competitors at this event?
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Post by starlight on Sept 1, 2009 21:05:44 GMT
Our lead rein m&m was not placed despite not stopping during his show and behaving well. although i did not for one minute expect to be at the top of the line up i was along with others surprised when not placed at all. The same judge then gave him reserve champion in the equitation class Wasn't there but sounds like the judge liked the way your pony performed and was ridden, but perhaps there was something about his conformation or type they weren't keen on. Lead rein M&Ms and equitation classes are judged on totally different criteria! Thanks for that, I know they are judged differently, I just don't really understand the decision in the lead rein M&M class, we were unplaced against ponies which we regularly finish above at other shows. This, together with the comments of people who were at the show and watching the class, lead me to think the pony's conformation can't have been the problem. Even people who finished above us were surprised at us not being placed. I understand the judges all look for different things but this decision was so out of step with everything we have been told by previous judges and fellow competitors that I find it very hard to understand. This show was the big event for us in our first year of showing and I'm afraid that the sometimes bizarre judging has made us think very seriously about whether this is a show that we will come back to again. I'm sure we were not alone among novices in thinking that the whole thing was not worth the costs in terms of time effort and money. Perhaps a better explanation of the decisions given either to the competitors at the time or even written notes afterwards would make the whole process easier to understand and accept. As for the commentator with his cliquey in joke continuous drivel well we could have done without that as well.
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Post by starlight on Sept 1, 2009 21:15:23 GMT
Just out of interest - how many of you that are not happy are first time competitors at this event? It was our first time and as complete novices not only has it has knocked our confidence but also turned what should have been a fun weekend into overall a not very pleasent experience
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Post by kay15 on Sept 1, 2009 21:15:39 GMT
i am, n not sure if i will eva be goin again after my 1st experience
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 1, 2009 21:24:10 GMT
never again 1st and last, i can think of better ways of spending hard earned money !
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Post by kay15 on Sept 1, 2009 22:02:17 GMT
cudnt of sed it better badgerrewoo, especially wen ur money gets given to someone for the wrong reasons!
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Post by badgerrewoo on Sept 1, 2009 22:17:45 GMT
how wrong it was ! but they now who should of won ,its just very sad as well as everyone else does ,just remember how quiet it was when they announced the winner every one was so shocked !!! as well as the judges !!
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Post by kay15 on Sept 1, 2009 22:20:28 GMT
looks like we sud of gone to bsps champs instead, reports from there seem alot better!
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Post by randolf on Sept 2, 2009 6:50:42 GMT
Have just had a look on the MIDARC website ...They claim to be transparent ...but its all good comments on there ...they state the price hike was due to costs ...well they are a limited co. now so I will enjoy reading this years accounts ...Last year ...so I gather they cleared £12k PROFIT just from the CHAMPS ..Not sure how correct this is but I have a mole !!!! Obviously didnt re-invest it for the good of the competitors . I gather a number of judges were their trainees . In my opinion the best judges on the ground were two of the stewards . Im not having a real bash at the judges as they will never please everyone . I gather one judge got a leaving award and flowers, as she is retiring ...Think she is the last of the good ones to go ... The man at the top and his trappy side kick should have a "vote of no confidence" and be got rid of if MIDARC is to survive ..they have ruined many of the monthly shows by their intervention and folks arent attending these poor shows which we so desperately need ...because of them !
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