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Post by ShowHunter on Sept 24, 2009 15:29:47 GMT
Does anyone else feel that the traditional good old, chunky SHP are going 'out of fashion' as they say? I've been to a lot of shows in the past few years and I'm sad to say I've spotted the change, I miss the chunky SHPs. They now mostly seem to be Show Ponies with a belly. It's hardly right, if you have a Show pony, it should be shown as a show pony. Does anyone else agree or am I just out of it?
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Post by Mari on Sept 24, 2009 15:49:26 GMT
I COMPLETLEY agree.
I love the tradional old chunky Show Hunters. I have one myself well he is 17yrs now.
Most Show Hunters now look like show ponies and not many of them look like they would hunter for an hour never mind a day. I know they are "Show animals" but they should still be heaiver set than the show ponies, as they are titled "Show Hunters"
I think that they should get chunkier not skinnier.
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Post by disagree on Sept 24, 2009 16:06:50 GMT
Shell, i do not think it is about "getting chunkier or skinnier". I think that that is the problem, so many SHP these days are show ponies that are fattened up. It is the bone that so many SHP lack nowadays, not the weight.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 24, 2009 16:22:50 GMT
Yes, but I understand what showhunter and shell mean by 'chunky' - To me, the Show Hunter pony MUST be a scaled down version of a true Middleweight, still with true pony characteristics. With proper bone and decent sized joints.
No amount of fat bellies or wide nosebands can make up for the lack of bone, as disagree rightly agrees.
I think everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet here.
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Post by hannahlh on Sept 24, 2009 17:02:39 GMT
i love the old SHP's - Gorgeous, if i could find one like that now i would snap it up!!! Same with sec B's they seem to be getting finer and finer
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Post by dun4u on Sept 24, 2009 17:27:13 GMT
Overheard at a P(UK) show a while ago: 1st lady, leading a SP away from the ring where it had been unplaced. 'I don't know why the Judge didn't like him' 2nd lady - 'I'd fatten him up then and put him in SHP instead.' ******************************** Also, why isn't there a rule preventing the same animal being entered in both classes? Doesn't make sense to me?
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Post by 122 on Sept 24, 2009 18:21:49 GMT
The 122's and 143cm's are leg in each corner types but the 133cm's and 153's often lack the timber.
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Post by robertparkerjones on Sept 24, 2009 18:59:44 GMT
You can only judge what is in front of you! Not enough true SHP's being bred. Very few true SHP in classes. Judges have to place whats in the class. Perhaps we should not award 1st, 2nd or 3rd prizes or even 4ths if the ponies are not the true type......... think it would cause a riot!!!!!
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Post by ShowHunter on Sept 24, 2009 19:36:28 GMT
Thank you, it's nice to know I'm not the only one. I also have a 17 year old traditional 133cms SHP. I have had him 6 years now and 4 years ago, he would clean up locally because he was a traditional SHP. But I also understand, post above, that there changing and SHP are goingg out. But, my traditional pony doesn't get placed above the SP like he used to. He still gets placed and he can still hold his own, but he rarely beats the SP. SP's have none of the bone of a true SHP. It's not right.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Sept 24, 2009 19:39:47 GMT
Everything seems to be lacking in bone!!! Shetlands, connies , b's, fells, i always was lead to belive that a shp was meant to be a scaled down middle weight as well!
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Post by ponycrazy on Sept 24, 2009 19:42:10 GMT
We have seen the same this year and ours is a true SHP.... He too is an oldie at 20 this year (kindly borrowed from Charlotte!)
He is everything that I would look for in a SHP but not all judges agree.... I do think that the same pony should not be able to do both classes in the same season....
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 9:16:36 GMT
we are lacking the true show hunters, fattened up show ponies, but again why are they stood at the top end of the line ups? judges and competitors need to stop this or type will be lost and the 2 types will merge into one! show ponies do not, or should not go the same as a hunter and vice versa, they both have different jobs, how many sp's could cross a plough field without tripping over a bit of mud?
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Post by starrider on Sept 25, 2009 9:33:07 GMT
I think there is a pattern emerging here - which would support 'robertparkerjones' theory that they are not being bred anymore - My old boy (17) is a true 153 shp - he is either at the top of the line or near the bottom in favour of the finer boned animals.
Although like all fashion trends I think it will all come back round again. A judge I was under for the Elite Riders at Ponies Uk during the appraisal part of the class asked 'what classes do you do with him?' - I replied 'his owner takes him in 153 SHP but I would take him in as a small hunter due to my age'. In which she replied 'definitely, it is not often nowadays that you see a true SH'
So it is the age old problem of judging 'true to type' - another by product of this is the lack of a decent gallop in these new SHPs.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 9:40:08 GMT
Problem is some judges do not know the meaning of the words true to type! Nor do some owners!
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Post by hormonal on Sept 25, 2009 9:44:41 GMT
Interesting discussion. Have some of you got photos of what you would call a 'traditional' SHP type?
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Post by iluvmyponies NLI on Sept 25, 2009 10:37:12 GMT
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Post by starrider on Sept 25, 2009 10:39:48 GMT
I have plenty of pictures but photobucket won't work for me - would someone put them up for me?
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Post by jinja on Sept 25, 2009 10:54:39 GMT
I agree that there are not as many true SHPs any more but I think the problem is people are scared of breeding something common. Years ago there were lots of SHPs with lots of bone but they lacked quality to get a true show hunter with bone quality and movement is not easy. which ponies do people think are good examples of SHP past and present.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 11:00:07 GMT
I do think there should be a rule like they have at the BSHA like your horse can only be a hack or a riding horse.
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Post by dun4u on Sept 25, 2009 21:35:45 GMT
As much as I really like the look of your ponies, IMO I think Bran is possibly nearer to SHP than the other two. Like one of the posts above, a true SHP should be a scaled down version of a hunter. I don't mind a plain head if it fits on a good strong neck and shoulder, good width across the chest, deep girth, rounded (not fat) bum and clean limbs with plenty of bone. Action is also all important - something with slightly (not exagerated) rounded action will cope in rough going - a 'daisy-cutter' would fall a*se over t*t! That is my own personal opinion and is what I would look for if I were judging SHP classes. Unfortunately, as already pointed out, if the class is made up of beautiful mini TB's with fine limbs then it does make it very difficult to Judge.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 23:48:44 GMT
Agree with dun4u, on all aspects.
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Post by rufus on Sept 27, 2009 0:33:20 GMT
Agree with dun4u, on all aspects. me too.
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Post by dun4u on Sept 27, 2009 21:10:39 GMT
Thanks, cassie and rufus - only trouble is I'm of a much older generation and the new younger Judges coming through probably will not agree with me!
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Post by shelleyj on Sept 27, 2009 21:25:18 GMT
Our sec B seemed to confuse a lot of M&M judges cos he has a fair amount of bone and substance, but did very well as a SHP under genuine hunter judges and irish judges, a real scaled down middleweight - those judges who liked mini tbs really didn't like him!
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Post by haylage on Sept 28, 2009 8:02:40 GMT
I breed section B, and have found this thread quite interesting, as this years foal, I believe will make a 13hh SHP, I will show her in breed classes untill she is a 2 year old, but then will show her in hunter ony breeding, it just goes to show you never know what you will get!, she was surposed to be a LR/FR. Buy the way she only just 5 months old in this photo, only on grass and small hard feeds twice a day!! chuncky monkey!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 8:17:56 GMT
dun4u im not that old but i like what i like and old fashioned hunters will always be right to me! Do like the one's in the photos, please post again when older!
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Post by agree on Sept 28, 2009 10:34:13 GMT
i agree where they going? we have a 13shp / whp, chunky old fashioned for sale, 4 year old .... a byley pony out of a old fashioned stallion bunbarry mahogany had lots of calls and one person from ireland interseted if anyone on here interested leave a comment
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 10:35:58 GMT
Any photo's agree?
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Post by agree on Sept 28, 2009 10:40:54 GMT
on horse quest byley crackerjack ,,,,
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 10:48:01 GMT
thanks
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