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Post by connie on Oct 8, 2009 20:48:05 GMT
Just back from a very long day out at a very enjoyable Hoys. I sat and watched all the whp's and thought the course looked a fair size for the smalls and then ok for the middle and larges. It didn't appear to have any one fence that caught ponies out.
Some ponies really stood out to me, in the smalls C. Casper and B. Amaretto both jumped fantastic rounds as did Dycott welsh model in the middle section.
The top two in the larges jumped really great rounds with rebels flight giving every jump a foot to spare. Well done to all those who competed, just to get there is fantsstic in its self ;D
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 8, 2009 20:51:58 GMT
Oh dear! not the right things to say on a mic really!! lol
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 8, 2009 20:52:26 GMT
Oh dear! not the right things to say on a mic really!! lol
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Post by bunny on Oct 8, 2009 20:55:42 GMT
Well done to Nat and Porridge 4th in the smalls
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Post by girly on Oct 8, 2009 21:25:04 GMT
I believe that B. Amaretto got the highest jumping mark over all three classes as she did at the RI
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Post by bigmama on Oct 9, 2009 7:54:36 GMT
no you aqre correct ... we watched the ISH Thursday but had to leave for our 'chauffeur' back home before the final result ... lots of stunning and well-behaved horses in that class
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Post by bigmama on Oct 9, 2009 7:59:46 GMT
i agree with dartie ... we only saw the large m&m workers .. course was very nice with some unusual jumps yet a more straightforward-looking rustic No.5 seemed to keep dropping a pole for many riders ... the top three did jump excellent rounds esp Sarah Challinor on her Connemara who jumped first and made the course look easy-peasy .. the NF winner and eventual champ was extremely well-deserved would also like to say a HUGE WELL DONE to KATY SEEDHOUSE & RAZZLE for winning the middle height section a thoroughly enjoyable two days for us altho i also agree with prev comments re. SFAS ponies and also hacks & riding horses classes which feally were a fiasco
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Post by neddy on Oct 9, 2009 8:34:21 GMT
What does everyone think of SFAS it looks more like a riding club day out now. Most of the horses were over 9. are these really stars of the future?
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Post by zeebeedee on Oct 9, 2009 8:48:03 GMT
Can't comment on the SFAS classes as didn't see them - but personally don't have a problem with older horses in it at all.
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Post by Artistic on Oct 9, 2009 8:51:10 GMT
We thought the 122 course was pretty small - none of the 3 courses demanding.
122 jumping - C Caspar and Kyregate Peter Pan were the stand out jumping rounds, and Caspar did a beautiful show and looked great. I have never met any of his connections, so have no bias, but he was my clear winner and I thought he went so beautifully in the championship too. Honeyman jumped much more of a "show jumpy" round, clouted at least 3 and had his mouth wide open most of the way - he looked a million dollars and top 3, but not the winner. Just my view - I'll wait for the rollockings!
Springfieldpark Razzle was a lovely winner of the middles and Meadow Rose Kestrel is a gorgeous pony who jumped beautifully - but my goodness, he was very well trimmed - like a plaited worker if not more! Short neat mane, banged off tail - etc etc .
Completely fell in love with Willoway Lord of the Rings and thought this was the strongest height section jumping wise. There were some very good rounds - Dancing Hero, foxglen Domino, Penclose Debonair, Rebels Flight all jumped "winners rounds"!
But the winner himself just looked such brilliant fun to ride and was everything you could wish for in a pony - manners, charm, althleticism, focus, movement and all with a huge smile on his face. A very worthy champion. And no, I couldn't have named a single New Forest pony before yesterday - what with him and Rushmoor Sunrise, I am a huge convert!
Loved the Racehorse to Riding Horse class, but thought the pony section of the SFAS was a pretty good muddle - the commentary ranged from interesting to hilarious to really quite alarming. I was surprised as several others obviously are that having heard again and again that a show pony must above all be mannerly, we were advised to pretend we hadn't seen the winning pony spook, whip round, and have to trot a circle in the middle of its show before it could continue. Lovely pony though!
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Post by chocaholic on Oct 9, 2009 10:53:02 GMT
I was surprised as several others obviously are that having heard again and again that a show pony must above all be mannerly, we were advised to pretend we hadn't seen the winning pony spook, whip round, and have to trot a circle in the middle of its show before it could continue. Lovely pony though! I feel very sorry for the horse that lost its place as it would not stand for the presentation if this was allowed in the pony class. What applies in one class should apply in all surely .
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Post by agent on Oct 9, 2009 11:42:23 GMT
We thought the 122 course was pretty small - none of the 3 courses demanding. 122 jumping - C Caspar and Kyregate Peter Pan were the stand out jumping rounds, and Caspar did a beautiful show and looked great. I have never met any of his connections, so have no bias, but he was my clear winner and I thought he went so beautifully in the championship too. Honeyman jumped much more of a "show jumpy" round, clouted at least 3 and had his mouth wide open most of the way - he looked a million dollars and top 3, but not the winner. Just my view - I'll wait for the rollockings! Springfieldpark Razzle was a lovely winner of the middles and Meadow Rose Kestrel is a gorgeous pony who jumped beautifully - but my goodness, he was very well trimmed - like a plaited worker if not more! Short neat mane, banged off tail - etc etc . Completely fell in love with Willoway Lord of the Rings and thought this was the strongest height section jumping wise. There were some very good rounds - Dancing Hero, foxglen Domino, Penclose Debonair, Rebels Flight all jumped "winners rounds"! But the winner himself just looked such brilliant fun to ride and was everything you could wish for in a pony - manners, charm, althleticism, focus, movement and all with a huge smile on his face. A very worthy champion. And no, I couldn't have named a single New Forest pony before yesterday - what with him and Rushmoor Sunrise, I am a huge convert! Loved the Racehorse to Riding Horse class, but thought the pony section of the SFAS was a pretty good muddle - the commentary ranged from interesting to hilarious to really quite alarming. I was surprised as several others obviously are that having heard again and again that a show pony must above all be mannerly, we were advised to pretend we hadn't seen the winning pony spook, whip round, and have to trot a circle in the middle of its show before it could continue. Lovely pony though! Ooh Artistic - what great comments. I have watched the smalls winner several times over the years and thought exactly the same - we will both get shot now! Having said that, when he stands still he is fab. Perhaps where he hunts, they do a lot of standing still
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Post by Artistic on Oct 9, 2009 12:37:04 GMT
Agent - you are very naughty! Unfortunately I read your comments during a phone call to a teacher at school and burst out laughing so loudly that I had to hang up and then try again. I do think Honeyman is a truly lovely pony, brilliantly produced etc, but he is entitled to be feeling a bit "boyish" and whilst he certainly didn't look bored, he did look as if he was playing a little game by himself of seeing how hard he could hear his toes on the poles without them falling down! Quite a bit of eye-rolling and amusing himself too... I love his character. But Caspar tried his heart out and wouldn't have been distracted by ANYTHING and I really couldn't fault him - he was perfect.
H Marten went very sweetly but just didn't look his former self ... perhaps he has had problems in the lead up to Birmningham, I don't know, but just not his old bloom. Do hope he feels better soon!
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Post by zizz on Oct 9, 2009 12:57:42 GMT
Artistic I agree - theres no denying Honeyman is beautiful when stood, but he just didn't move forwards and gave minimal effort in his jumping compared to some other competitors. I must admit I've not watched many mountain and moorland classes so can someone explain to an outsider how a pony that clouts his fences be reserve champ at HOYs, are they marked differently to normal workers? because TBH to me it looked like a bit of a farce.
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Post by shower19 on Oct 9, 2009 13:14:23 GMT
What does everyone think of SFAS it looks more like a riding club day out now. Most of the horses were over 9. are these really stars of the future? I think the SFAS the past few years has produced some very nice horses and ponies alike that are now out and qualifying in the open classes and doing very well. But i do agree with what your saying, the standard should not be dropped just because they are home produced ponies, and the judging should not be any diffrent as to how all the other classes are judged at hoys. I'm not quite sure what was happening this year with the judging for SFAS but lets just hope it doesn't turn into a riding club free for all!
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Post by giggs on Oct 9, 2009 13:52:09 GMT
Was there yesterday and enjoyed watching the Race horse to riding horse class
The hack and riding horse class was quite bizzare!
When they came into the ring they announced there was 2 hacks and the rest were riding horses. They all were judged and ridden, thought it was quite odd how they left saddles on for confirmation!
When they announced the winner they announced there was actually 3 hacks in the class and the additional one turning out to be the hack champion. Lovely horse but i thought (could be wrong) that a hack height limit was 160cm, the hack winner measured 164cm according to the catalogue.
Judging didnt seem to be as good this year as in previous years.
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Post by Artistic on Oct 9, 2009 14:11:22 GMT
Zizz and Agent - who would your winner have been?
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Post by agent on Oct 9, 2009 15:00:35 GMT
Artistic - I wasn't there - sadly - but when they go well, I love Caspar and also Peter Pan - but - and now I will be told off - as whp's I would not want to hunt either Dartie - even on Dartmoor, and even if I was the right size. ;D Then again, I am not an M&M judge either so my opinion is only my opinion.
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Post by connie on Oct 9, 2009 15:56:18 GMT
Yet i would love to have a go at hunting one of those darties (but weight will def not allow it ;D), but i do agree peter pan looked as though he would have taken his young jockey out for a fantastic day with the hounds. Guess it's all up to opinion and not knowing the marks we wont know who's type of jumping Mr lawrence liked more.
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Post by chazzysmum on Oct 9, 2009 16:09:01 GMT
Does anyone know which championship the winner of the Int SH goes through to? Not sure if its the general intermediate championship, or something else, as Int Sh were on thursday, but int SR is on Saturday
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Post by flo on Oct 9, 2009 22:04:51 GMT
Yipee! Nice to see that someone else thinks that Joe (Kyregate Peter Pan) jumped a fab round - how could he and 3 others be beaten by a pole?
And yes he does go hunting and gives his 9 year old jockey a fab time!
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Post by Splendid on Oct 10, 2009 9:02:34 GMT
Does anyone know which championship the winner of the Int SH goes through to? Not sure if its the general intermediate championship, or something else, as Int Sh were on thursday, but int SR is on Saturday The winner goes straight into the horse supreme!
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Post by zizz on Oct 10, 2009 9:46:39 GMT
Zizz and Agent - who would your winner have been? I think amaretto would have been moved up to second and casper first, but i also think porridge did a stonking round, he looked like a proper childs pony who would hunt all day!
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Post by dbt1234 on Oct 10, 2009 22:55:21 GMT
I watched the SFAS hack/riding horse and show pony/hunter pony class from start to finish. Firstly I would like to say that the hack/riding horse class was an absolute farce from beginning to end. The riding horse which eventually won ( and was reserve ch) was beautiful and I am sure will continue to do well and is a future star. Then to the hacks - ok so the '2' qualified for the final which in itself is a fantastic achievment = but then to decide that an overheight hack which had been presented as a riding horse suddenly became a hack because both the hacks were too unstetted to place surely cannot be correct - they are searching for a future star but if the horse is overheight for a hack IT ISNT A HACK. I am not being disrespectful to any connections to the 'hack' because they had no contol over the placings and they are not going to refuse their rosette!! But the winning hack last year was also over height??? SO WASNT A HACK??
The riding pony which won the championship was an absolute delight from beginning to end. ok so it shied in its show -BUT- the doors were being opened to the outside behind the seating just as the pony went past doing its show and it made a very load rattling noise = as soon as the noise went the pony settled and continued with its foot perfect show. The pony is 4. I think this is different to rearing during prize giving? Please do not take away the acheivements of anyone who qualified for the SFAS series by saying that it was a riding club 'free for all'. Ok I think the rules of the acutal running of the final i.e no swapping of catagories should be allowed and I think it shoud be clear that either the judge rides or an individual show will be given as I think it was quite confused for both the public and the competitors.
Well done to all - but what a pity the winning hack cannot be shown as a hack(also as last years winner)
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Post by wyndham on Oct 11, 2009 18:19:59 GMT
we all knew the result befor the 122 m/m went in to the ring,for a pony that has won hoys workers so many times should be jumping a great deal better,he his only there due to the name of his rider,better ponies did not qual due to wrong person striping.These courses are getting more like first ridden tracks, not taken away from second and third as i love both ponies
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Post by linzi on Oct 11, 2009 18:43:27 GMT
we all knew the result befor the 122 m/m went in to the ring,for a pony that has won hoys workers so many times should be jumping a great deal better,he his only there due to the name of his rider,better ponies did not qual due to wrong person striping.These courses are getting more like first ridden tracks, not taken away from second and third as i love both ponies gosh i wish we'd knew the result b4 we went in the ring. it would have saved our nerves! also to the other gossipers unfortunately conformation does make up 20 of the marks so standing still and looking good (for breed type) also plays a part. sorry about that. yes honey's wasn't the best round of them all but he won it so get over it. well done to all the others , some lovely rounds.
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Post by wyndham on Oct 11, 2009 19:26:34 GMT
maybe so but we all know WHY!!!!!
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Post by marshmallow on Oct 11, 2009 19:59:09 GMT
I watched the SFAS hack/riding horse and show pony/hunter pony class from start to finish. Firstly I would like to say that the hack/riding horse class was an absolute farce from beginning to end. The riding horse which eventually won ( and was reserve ch) was beautiful and I am sure will continue to do well and is a future star. Then to the hacks - ok so the '2' qualified for the final which in itself is a fantastic achievment = but then to decide that an overheight hack which had been presented as a riding horse suddenly became a hack because both the hacks were too unstetted to place surely cannot be correct - they are searching for a future star but if the horse is overheight for a hack IT ISNT A HACK. I am not being disrespectful to any connections to the 'hack' because they had no contol over the placings and they are not going to refuse their rosette!! But the winning hack last year was also over height??? SO WASNT A HACK?? The riding pony which won the championship was an absolute delight from beginning to end. ok so it shied in its show -BUT- the doors were being opened to the outside behind the seating just as the pony went past doing its show and it made a very load rattling noise = as soon as the noise went the pony settled and continued with its foot perfect show. The pony is 4. I think this is different to rearing during prize giving? Please do not take away the acheivements of anyone who qualified for the SFAS series by saying that it was a riding club 'free for all'. Ok I think the rules of the acutal running of the final i.e no swapping of catagories should be allowed and I think it shoud be clear that either the judge rides or an individual show will be given as I think it was quite confused for both the public and the competitors. Well done to all - but what a pity the winning hack cannot be shown as a hack(also as last years winner) xx I really feel that SFAS needs a total re-jig and needs to go back to its original promise when it first started of 'future star spotting' e.g Shelford Rupert . Taking nothing away from rider or horse but for example, the winning RH is over 10 yrs old and has been on the circuit for a number of years and shown at a high level with a number of different owners inc Ryder Phillips' who I saw showing him at BSPS and featured in H&H with said horse - therefore is this a future star when the horse has already proved himself on a number of occasions? I think they need to age limit entries or on experience of the horse and let the true future stars shine through. Totally agree with your comments re the Hack - such a shame lovely horse but it clearly is not a hack of the future!!!
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Post by Artistic on Oct 11, 2009 20:39:25 GMT
Re the m&m workers - the course was actually smaller and seemingly less technical than at the qualifiers. Of course it's much spookier and so on at Birmingham, but still, I would have thought it could have been a little bit more beefy??
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Post by linzi on Oct 11, 2009 20:47:51 GMT
maybe so but we all know WHY!!!!! all know why!!what? all know why he won ? i dont understand
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