bhest02
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Fishermans Blues
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Post by bhest02 on Oct 12, 2009 12:59:29 GMT
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Post by fairleykismet on Oct 12, 2009 13:08:38 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 12, 2009 19:51:47 GMT
well done liv on cadlanvalley teleri in the 122 workers xx
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Post by Slippers92 on Oct 13, 2009 8:55:39 GMT
I watched the SFAS hack/riding horse and show pony/hunter pony class from start to finish. Firstly I would like to say that the hack/riding horse class was an absolute farce from beginning to end. The riding horse which eventually won ( and was reserve ch) was beautiful and I am sure will continue to do well and is a future star. Then to the hacks - ok so the '2' qualified for the final which in itself is a fantastic achievment = but then to decide that an overheight hack which had been presented as a riding horse suddenly became a hack because both the hacks were too unstetted to place surely cannot be correct - they are searching for a future star but if the horse is overheight for a hack IT ISNT A HACK. I am not being disrespectful to any connections to the 'hack' because they had no contol over the placings and they are not going to refuse their rosette!! But the winning hack last year was also over height??? SO WASNT A HACK?? The riding pony which won the championship was an absolute delight from beginning to end. ok so it shied in its show -BUT- the doors were being opened to the outside behind the seating just as the pony went past doing its show and it made a very load rattling noise = as soon as the noise went the pony settled and continued with its foot perfect show. The pony is 4. I think this is different to rearing during prize giving? Please do not take away the acheivements of anyone who qualified for the SFAS series by saying that it was a riding club 'free for all'. Ok I think the rules of the acutal running of the final i.e no swapping of catagories should be allowed and I think it shoud be clear that either the judge rides or an individual show will be given as I think it was quite confused for both the public and the competitors. Well done to all - but what a pity the winning hack cannot be shown as a hack(also as last years winner) xx I really feel that SFAS needs a total re-jig and needs to go back to its original promise when it first started of 'future star spotting' e.g Shelford Rupert . Taking nothing away from rider or horse but for example, the winning RH is over 10 yrs old and has been on the circuit for a number of years and shown at a high level with a number of different owners inc Ryder Phillips' who I saw showing him at BSPS and featured in H&H with said horse - therefore is this a future star when the horse has already proved himself on a number of occasions? I think they need to age limit entries or on experience of the horse and let the true future stars shine through. Totally agree with your comments re the Hack - such a shame lovely horse but it clearly is not a hack of the future!!! What i dont understand is if they know its not going to be a hack for the future why place it if they know its never going to become a true hack? Very nice horse but still very confusing?
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GG
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Post by GG on Oct 13, 2009 10:52:40 GMT
Having read all the SFAS posts - I think Robert Oliver made a very valid point - there is nothing worse than a ringside judge!!! A riding club free for all & poor judging? ? To qualify for the class is a massive achivement out of all the 1000's of entrants these were the best an extremley high standard not one would of looked out of place in a county class. Age has nothing to do with the class, it is an amature class not a novice class & what is to say after being given this break the horses in this class will go on to have sucessfull showing careers regardless of how old they are. To have such well respected judges giving up there time & giving there valued opinon is fantastic - thankfully there are people out there wanting to encourage the sport and give amatures a go which can only benifit the sport in the long run. The hacks were dissapointing but what else could the judges do? Maybe they should have put 2 riding horses through instead...but is this against the rules?? If the winner is an established horse why was this not picked up on before the final?
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Post by jenwalsh on Oct 13, 2009 11:38:58 GMT
I dont think that there should be an age limit on SFAS, my horse will be 15 next year and its taken me this long to get him going how i think he needs to go in order to be in for a shout. Im an amatuer, my horse is home produced and we have won a lot unaffiliated but its a whole different ball game when it comes to Affiliated stuff and SFAS gives me hope that there might just be a chance that i can get my wee horse to HOYS without having to spend a total fortune and compete against the big boys.
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Post by tinkerbell112 on Oct 13, 2009 12:02:57 GMT
We traveled such a long way, as did a lot of competitors, and to be put below a pony that was very nice but not only did it do one major spook it then came round and did it again, also in it's halt it shot forward and had to halt again. Our pony stood like a rock the whole time clapping etc went on, and as the judges kept going on about manners, were very shocked to see this pony put up, the other pony placed one above us could not take the Rosette and did not get dropped as the horse the day before. It is a shame that this is for amateurs, and this is very disheartening that it seems that you do not have to put the work in at home, and can go so badly and still win
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Post by lizziemc on Oct 13, 2009 21:43:43 GMT
excuse my ignorance but can a horse that qualifies as a riding horse be re-classified and judged as a hack at such a high level. this does not seem fair to the other competitors,have i got this right. i saw this class and was mystified at the outcome. i missed what happened to the horse that spooked. was that the one that knocked the steward over. did they lose their placing.
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Post by Slippers92 on Oct 13, 2009 22:10:50 GMT
excuse my ignorance but can a horse that qualifies as a riding horse be re-classified and judged as a hack at such a high level. this does not seem fair to the other competitors,have i got this right. i saw this class and was mystified at the outcome. i missed what happened to the horse that spooked. was that the one that knocked the steward over. did they lose their placing. Im a bit mystifed by this? i watched the class and I have exactly the same question i feel sorry for the other two hacks as one of them was sure to get a place in the final and then for it to be taken away by reclassification but hey thats showing for you im affraid sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont.
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Post by neddie on Oct 15, 2009 18:01:47 GMT
Just wondering...did anyone else notice that two of the SFAS class winners were assisted by a judge/producer???
I feel very sorry for the riders placed second in those two classes. The reason that confirmation judging is completed with the saddles on is so that riders cannot gain advantage by bringing producers in to stand with them in the ring- though it would appear that producers can manage perfeclty well just by standing ringside!
I feel disillusioned with the class now. If competitors are going to be allowed to get away with this- then the whole class is a farce! As a competitor, if you do need the help of a producer to qualify your horse for HOYS- then go for it- but the SFAS class is not (supposed to be) the class to do it in!
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hpak
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Post by hpak on Oct 17, 2009 15:42:47 GMT
Yes, I did.
I saw the same producer with the winner of the SFAS riding horse and the winner of the SFAS hunter class. He was outside the ring behid where the horses were lined up and was giving a lot of advice to the rider and then as soon as the class finished he rushed around to the collecting ring and took the horses back to the stables. I then saw him in the collecting ring for the andrew bowens with both horses (there as their groom) and lo and behold the riding horse is reserve champion.
That same producer also judged one of the qualifying rounds of the SFAS this year. Complete and utter farce in my view.
It's pretty obvious that having had a hand in qualifying some of the competitors (although he didnt judge the ones he was producing) that the judges at the final are going to know which horses were with him!
It is an absolute joke!
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Post by mytilene on Oct 17, 2009 17:56:01 GMT
I find the talk regarding Moortown Honeyman quite appaling. Imagine how Katie felt looking at this (and yes, I know she has). He won fairly, not because of the profile of his rider, or his profile himself. If he went as badly as some people have stated, then how did he win, or take reserve champion then? The judge clearly saw something, and he clearly deserved to win on his own merit. If his jumping was that bad, he would've flunked in a very good field. He's won, it can't be changed, so why all the jealous/mallicous postings about it? All it suggests is that your jealous. Cant people be happy for others success? Well done Katie and Honey.
I'll probaly get shot for saying that, but hey. XX
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 17, 2009 19:06:32 GMT
I will probably be shot down in flames, too! But, here goes:-
1. The M&M WHP scenario - The perspective from the inside of the ring is quite different from that on the outside.
Strangely enough, Judges are allowed to hold a personal view (surely you don't want clones to stand in the midde of the ring, or no-one would bother to get out of bed in the morning and run all over the country trying to qualify!)
A few weeks ago, yet another pony of this breed and with similarly very correct type, conformation and ability was in the dock for a big placing.
And, that Judge was also hung out to dry.
Is it simply the greeneyed monster, methinks?
2. SFAS. Do enlighten us as to the rules and regulations regarding the competition and particularly, coaching? Under SFAS rules, is it considered a crime to have help from someone who has experience?
3. Friday's pages/posts almost totally relate to the CHAPS classes. Why?
4. Finally, hey - apart from Olympia, the current season is all but ended. Can you wingers not just accept the HOYS results and move on?
Oh, and by the way, I was not at that show on these days, so sadly, I missed all the so-called bad goings on!
Well done to all those who achieved all that they set out to.
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Post by flashthecash on Oct 18, 2009 14:56:04 GMT
sadly not being at HOYS this year.. I can not comment on the above, but I do think that SFAS should go back to it's original format. This was where you sent in a pic, a CV for your horse/pony winnings and then you were hand picked to attend ONE venue, and only eight or nine in each class. In thoses days only the winner from each class went through to the final.. (not HOYS.. sadly).
Now it looks like anyone can enter and enter as many times as possible. I do know of a few people who have chased SAFA qualifications all over. Thus spending hundreds of pounds, just to get to HOYS.. It might be cheaper to do the open classes.?? It just seems like a money spinner these days.
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Post by Artistic on Oct 18, 2009 17:18:48 GMT
Quite a bit of over-reaction here, I think! The comments about Honeyman use far far more complimentary words than critical ones - the people you think are being "jealous and mallicous" (your spelling, not mine) haven't half heaped a lot of praise on him if that's the case! Even Linzi, who is clearly connected to him, admits it wasn't the best jumping round but all those of us commenting on here have simply stated that he wouldn't necessarily have been our winner. There hasn't been a word of criticism for the judging, and personally I have barely given it a second's thought since, so if you imagine I'm lying awake at night stressing over it with my green-eyed glasses on, I am pleased to be be able to put your mind at rest.
No jealousy whatsoever - I will say again that I think Honeyman is a gorgeous pony who looked a million dollars and had been beautifully produced and ridden, but as a point of fact which I am sure can be confirmed by anyone who was there from his excellent jockey to his owner to the judge, he did have his mouth in a wide and radiant smile, and he did clout at least 3 fences. Quite obviously, his show or conformation marks, or possibly both, were good enough to over-ride these details and as an enthusiastic follower of these classes, I fully accept that and have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. I wasn't the judge!
shsstablemanager - you come across as the biggest whinger on here! And why ask us about what's going on on another thread (ie, Friday's posts)? What are we to do with those? Finally, we HAD all moved on! Please don't worry - we're thinking about the Heritage champs now!
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Post by agent on Oct 19, 2009 8:23:10 GMT
Quite agree! Neither jealour not malicious am I! As with you Artistic, I am not kept awake by any monsters, green eyed or otherwise. However, I am entitled to my own opinion? It is only an opinion - as with all showing actually.
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Post by girly on Oct 19, 2009 14:34:03 GMT
The marks for the 122 whp are posted in the guest area so people can see exactly where ponies lost or gained marks,
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