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Post by Lemmie NLI on Apr 23, 2007 7:11:40 GMT
Anyone got the sec d and c results from clumber park?
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Post by lolly on Apr 23, 2007 7:39:47 GMT
A three year old kylebeck mare (dancing queen ) got the inhand D championship I think, she certainly won her class and was very beautiful albeit rather on the heavy side for her age It amazes me how they can get so much top line on a youngster My favourite though on the day though was the Mansfields section B youngster, out of skellhorn choir boy, gosh would i love that in my christmas stocking. What a fab colour too, totally smitten.
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Post by welshBs on Apr 23, 2007 14:29:22 GMT
Does anyone know the B in hand results?
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Post by photos please on Apr 23, 2007 17:57:58 GMT
was there a photographer there please?
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Post by hi on Apr 23, 2007 18:34:44 GMT
results:
Ridden D - 1st Thorndonpark Jet
Ridden C - 1st Drogeda Pearly King 2nd D'abornen (sp??) Replica
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Post by results ridden on Apr 23, 2007 18:51:04 GMT
The ridden where split Novice and open
Large Novice - 1st Thorndonpark Jet 2nd - Black mare - R Jarvis!! ( strange choice)
Open 1st - D Pearly King 2nd - A Replica
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Post by lemmie on Apr 23, 2007 18:56:17 GMT
Wow ... glad DPK won his class, Lottie should be ectsatic I would imagine!
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Post by she should be on Apr 23, 2007 19:02:54 GMT
Wow ... glad DPK won his class, Lottie should be ectsatic I would imagine! she should be he went lovely for her despite certain competitors being rude about them - just shows them when he stood higher than them in the line up.
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Post by welsh on Apr 23, 2007 19:03:40 GMT
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Post by ermmmmmmm on Apr 23, 2007 19:57:07 GMT
I was there and i have to say DPK did not do a fabulous show. Flashy in front but not matched with movement behind. no disrespect to the kid but needs to get that back end under it. NOT a worthy winner in my opinion. And yes i do judge!!!!!
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Post by welshBs on Apr 23, 2007 21:00:33 GMT
Anyone got results from the B inhand classes?
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Post by lemmie on Apr 23, 2007 21:04:54 GMT
I was there and i have to say DPK did not do a fabulous show. Flashy in front but not matched with movement behind. no disrespect to the kid but needs to get that back end under it. NOT a worthy winner in my opinion. And yes i do judge!!!!! Fair enough - your opinion. However I do think that given a bit more time to bond they will make a cracking pair!
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Post by Bs on Apr 23, 2007 21:11:54 GMT
dont no full names but here goes: yearling colts: Carrwood yearling fillys: paddock 2/3 colts:holyoake 2/3 fillys: paddock stallion: eyarth hansel ?? or moleview charmer boy didnt watch end
champ: holyoake (nice pony)
res: paddock (yearling pal think)
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Post by ermmmmmm on Apr 23, 2007 21:19:37 GMT
i dont doubt you are right but surely we should judge what is in front of us on the day not what might be. This was an open class!!!!
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Post by lemmie on Apr 23, 2007 21:27:03 GMT
i dont doubt you are right but surely we should judge what is in front of us on the day not what might be. This was an open class!!!! Also very true, but at the end of the day it is the judge's choice ... we may not disagree but in eventuality we have no say in the outcome of any classes unless of course we happen to be judging that class. I am glad to hear that you, as a judge will place what is in front of you on the day as opposed to previous track records.
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Post by are you sure on Apr 24, 2007 6:48:18 GMT
I was there and i have to say DPK did not do a fabulous show. Flashy in front but not matched with movement behind. no disrespect to the kid but needs to get that back end under it. NOT a worthy winner in my opinion. And yes i do judge!!!!! I would be interesting to hear your opion on a worthy winner - concidering it was judged on 50/50 marks system -
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Post by ermmmmmm on Apr 24, 2007 8:16:00 GMT
Are you sure i am sorry but you must realise that the mark sytem can be manipulated. The ponies were pulled in in order. Its not rocket science to work out that the top pony gets the highest mark and the second the next highest....... Had you seen the mark sheet for this show you would be aware that this is exactly what happened. Strange that all the placings were not changed despite some in the final placings doing less than perfect shows. My opinion of a worthy winner is a pony who is correct conformationally and true to type and who performs an exceptional show. There were many good ponies in that class some of whom in my opinion performed exceptional shows and showed correct movement from all 4 limbs. I do personally prefer to see an animal moving correctly behind even if it at the expense of more extravagent movement in front. If we are to ignore performance we may as well just do an in hand class. I am not in any way slagging off the winner as some do on this site merely stating my opinion off the class. I am sure given time and a little training the pony will show the movement I know it is capable of with its new owner and I wish them the best of luck.
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Post by lolly on Apr 24, 2007 10:04:29 GMT
We said exactly the same that the placings were not changed as some of the shows were decidedly flawed. Loved the D that got 5th place. Still cant believe though how gross a lot of the c's and d's were, it really is disgracefull, and again I ask what are people feeding them!! and how are they keeping them.
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Post by are you sure on Apr 24, 2007 12:13:50 GMT
Are you sure i am sorry but you must realize that the mark system can be manipulated. The ponies were pulled in in order. Its not rocket science to work out that the top pony gets the highest mark and the second the next highest....... Had you seen the mark sheet for this show you would be aware that this is exactly what happened. Strange that all the placings were not changed despite some in the final placings doing less than perfect shows. My opinion of a worthy winner is a pony who is correct conformationally and true to type and who performs an exceptional show. There were many good ponies in that class some of whom in my opinion performed exceptional shows and showed correct movement from all 4 limbs. I do personally prefer to see an animal moving correctly behind even if it at the expense of more extravagant movement in front. If we are to ignore performance we may as well just do an in hand class. I am not in any way slagging off the winner as some do on this site merely stating my opinion off the class. I am sure given time and a little training the pony will show the movement I know it is capable of with its new owner and I wish them the best of luck. In the large breeds novice class they where moved around a bit in the placings - and all but 1 in the top 6 deserved to be there - in the open the pony it was clear that 1 competitor put themselves higher than their original pull - hence if that is the case with the marks as you say - staying the same as the pull - that person was in the wrong. As for movement how if said pony wasn't coming from behind does it cover so much ground - as if you don't realize a pony has to sit to achieve the push to get the ground coverage it so clearly gets - Whilst we are taking about marks - the championship was not judged as a separate class - if it had been they would have done another individual show - and if the marks are you say stand - they where the wrong way around -
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Post by was there too on Apr 24, 2007 18:16:39 GMT
DPK was lucky to win the class. It humped and started to buck as it was asked to gallop but the judge did not see this from where she was standing....we did. It has very flashy front movement but it isnt coming through from behind and engaging its hocks, its 'pinging' rather than extending and covering the ground...2 completly different things.
the championship was judged seperatly and the gallop sealed it( or not) as it did in the novice championship earlier in the day, it was not done on points.
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Post by Melanie Brewster on Apr 24, 2007 19:23:01 GMT
I am the mother of Charlotte Brewster who owns and rides Drogeda Pearly King.
Prompted by a phone call I am disgusted at this blatent attempt to distroy my daughters confidence and to cause distress to Ronans former owner.
I have never read any attention to these sites before and I am horrified than any fellow horse lover and fellow competitor could treat a 13 year old child in such a way. We love Ronan and after being ridden by the same highly experienced adult for 4 years we are extremely pleased with the results we have acheived so far. Jane Wyatt, I know that you are pleased with how Charlotte rides Ronan and I assure you that the marks of 46 and 46 for Ronans show and comformation marks gave a total overall mark greated than any other competitor on sunday. I have forbidden Charlotte to use these sites again. Whoever has made these comments is a disgrace to the sport and I hope that any judges or professions who grace these pages with there attention will feel a similar outrage at the behaviour of this or these writers.
As a family we have given a great deal of both financial and moral support to others in this area and if I were to find out that these comments were passed by anyone that we have previously supported I will have no hesitation in writing my thoughts on this matter in publications which are of far more professional important than this one.
Just for the record, Charlotte was nervous in the championship on Sunday and anyone who watched the class will understand that the specific reason that Ronan bucked was due to circumstances outside of Charlottes control. I would hope that others who watched this class will use this forum to acknowledge this fact and I would ask that you would also note that I am professional enough not to comment further in case of upsetting the other competitor who was obliged into galloping not in accordance with the judges instructions due to not clearly hearing to instruction given.
Place yourself in the position of child concerned or as the mother of that child and ask yourself if you would not feel the same level of outrage that I feel at this time.
Even better, have the courage to name yourself as Charlottes critique in the same way that I have named myself as Melanie, her mother. I say directly to the writer concerned that you say you love DPK whom we call Ronan, if this is your attempt at demonstrating your love for this beautiful pony then you truly are as sad as the words you write. I hope other aspects of your life bring you more satisfaction and fulfilment as this type of behavoiour can surely not.
Melanie Brewster
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Post by welsh on Apr 24, 2007 19:37:19 GMT
here here melanie, well said remeber even if ronan did have a blip in his show, horses ARNT machines and cant be expected to perform foot perfect everytime. Have noticed its mainly guests making these nasty comments, maybe they are too coward to let everyone find out who they really are, maybe people should think before they post, how would you feel if you were the rider/owner of the pony you were bit*hing about, its horrible i should know ive been bit*hed about on here, and especially when its about a young girl, who like many people who show she just wants to enjoy her pony and have fun, but people sometimes spoil that with nasty coments go ronan and charlotte you deserve all your success
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Post by Melanie Brewster on Apr 24, 2007 19:39:50 GMT
I was there and i have to say DPK did not do a fabulous show. Flashy in front but not matched with movement behind. no disrespect to the kid but needs to get that back end under it. NOT a worthy winner in my opinion. And yes i do judge!!!!! '' the kid'' - that is my daughter you are referring to. Ask yourself the quality of your own riding at the age of 13 yrs - and then dare to be so dismissive of her abilities. I hope that the unhappy experience of Charlotte having to read these comments will make her, with the help and support of her producer Cheryl Atherton a more determined competitor in the future
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Post by Ignore them on Apr 24, 2007 19:48:29 GMT
Just ignore what people are saying, I know it is hard, DPK is a stunning pony, I did not see him at the show, and mabey he didnt go his absoulte best, but he is still miles better then a lot of the ribbish out there.
I think people forget this chap won hoys!!! I am sure Jane, would be too happy to read this about the pony either.
Just think, you are taking about a 'child', a child who may come on here and read your hurtful comments.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE.
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Post by Buddy on Apr 24, 2007 19:56:35 GMT
Hi Melanie,
I am feeling for you, being in the same position as you many times, there is not a lot I can say to ease the pain you must be feeling.
Just keep your head up and take no notice (impossible I know). I saw Charlotte ride Rowan at Solihull (we were second to you on a palomio) and he went lovely and looked fab.
I dont think people realise how hurtful these comments are, and although I beleive in freedom of speech, if you cant find a way to put your point across without hurting people's feelings they are best kept to yourself.
Good luck to Charlotte in the coming season I am sure you will continue to succeed.
Follywood Stud.
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Post by Green eyed monster again on Apr 24, 2007 20:26:51 GMT
Melanie and Charlotte. Just ignore all these nasty people. You have done a fabulous job of producing a wonderful pony who alot of people would like to own themselves. Have you noticed that it is only the top class ponies and riders that yet slated on here! Just enjoy your wonderful pony who is a credit to you both. You have your best yet to come. Good luck for the season.
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Post by tomato on Apr 24, 2007 21:01:41 GMT
I am the mother of Charlotte Brewster who owns and rides Drogeda Pearly King. Prompted by a phone call I am disgusted at this blatent attempt to distroy my daughters confidence and to cause distress to Ronans former owner. I have never read any attention to these sites before and I am horrified than any fellow horse lover and fellow competitor could treat a 13 year old child in such a way. We love Ronan and after being ridden by the same highly experienced adult for 4 years we are extremely pleased with the results we have acheived so far. Jane Wyatt, I know that you are pleased with how Charlotte rides Ronan and I assure you that the marks of 46 and 46 for Ronans show and comformation marks gave a total overall mark greated than any other competitor on sunday. I have forbidden Charlotte to use these sites again. Whoever has made these comments is a disgrace to the sport and I hope that any judges or professions who grace these pages with there attention will feel a similar outrage at the behaviour of this or these writers. As a family we have given a great deal of both financial and moral support to others in this area and if I were to find out that these comments were passed by anyone that we have previously supported I will have no hesitation in writing my thoughts on this matter in publications which are of far more professional important than this one. Just for the record, Charlotte was nervous in the championship on Sunday and anyone who watched the class will understand that the specific reason that Ronan bucked was due to circumstances outside of Charlottes control. I would hope that others who watched this class will use this forum to acknowledge this fact and I would ask that you would also note that I am professional enough not to comment further in case of upsetting the other competitor who was obliged into galloping not in accordance with the judges instructions due to not clearly hearing to instruction given. Place yourself in the position of child concerned or as the mother of that child and ask yourself if you would not feel the same level of outrage that I feel at this time. Even better, have the courage to name yourself as Charlottes critique in the same way that I have named myself as Melanie, her mother. I say directly to the writer concerned that you say you love DPK whom we call Ronan, if this is your attempt at demonstrating your love for this beautiful pony then you truly are as sad as the words you write. I hope other aspects of your life bring you more satisfaction and fulfilment as this type of behavoiour can surely not. Melanie Brewster Completly unrelated but just to say thanks again for helping me get back on in the ring at Ashbourne last year you and charlotte are 2 lovely people and dont deserve this slander, I hope you have a succesful season and enjoy every moment of your new pony and hope to see you about soon x x x x
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Post by fed ex on Apr 24, 2007 21:21:42 GMT
Was not there did not go and wont get invloved but the things that get these threads heated are posts like the one just posted.
Some one comes along i.e. tomato and uses a word yet does not know the meaning of it. There is not one slanderous comment in the posts.
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Post by fairenough on Apr 24, 2007 22:04:56 GMT
As a family we have given a great deal of both financial and moral support to others in this area and if I were to find out that these comments were passed by anyone that we have previously supported I will have no hesitation in writing my thoughts on this matter in publications which are of far more professional important than this one. Huh? ?
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Post by scotgirl on Apr 25, 2007 8:19:10 GMT
I watched all the ridden classes at EMWPCA show and felt that many of the ponies forward were fat. I also believe that the judge did judge those in front of her fairly and know that she spoke to one competitor after the class about the gross condition of her pony and got a short answer from the competitor! Another thought about judges - I expect that as they spend most of their life at shows and dos associated with showing, so it is not a surprise if they 'know' the competitors! We never show under anyone that we know really well or have any pony or business involvement with but that soemtimes can be difficult. I suggest that rather than bit*ch about others you make sure that you and your pony are the best they can be in the ring and that you remove the rosecoloured glasses that many of you wear.
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