kayjayem
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Post by kayjayem on Nov 27, 2009 18:26:44 GMT
Milford Filigree is still going strong and looking really well at the grand age of 21yrs .She has produced a lovely palomino colt foal this year which has been retained as a future stallion .I have retained all her daughters at stud and I have been delighted with everyone of them. Good luck with your coloured stallion I am sure He will produce super stock from your blood lines. Fiona If she's anything like her mum you have her for a long time yet! Tinkerbell was 33 when she was PTS, she had a recurring urinary infection and the vets thought she had something sinister going on maybe with her bladder/kidneys but until then she was hale and hearty!
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Post by fionadoylan1 on Nov 28, 2009 7:54:02 GMT
Hi Kirsten ,many congratulations on your success I would not dream of trying to under mine your achievement .What really annoyed me was the Judge 's comment that my filly was a "bit" too young at four and half months ,I was under the impression that the foals age was mimimun four months I cannot for the life of me understand why put her down for that and then state she certainly has the Wow factor ,it just make you want to give up showing when you recieve comments like that May I wish you continued success with your filly and I am sorry if I upset you . Fiona
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Post by helenatrunshaw on Nov 28, 2009 8:47:19 GMT
obviously i wasn't at the show so can't really comment but did the judge maybe mean your filly was a little young as in maturity and maybe their way of saying they thought she would have benefited from being left longer until shown? Could it maybe not actually have been her age specifically as in months but they felt she would be better stored away until a little older and more mature? I know what i mean but can't explain it very well i don't think sadly. IE i have 2 colt foals and 2 yearlings, both pairs are born days within each other in both years so the same age and in both pairs one of them could go out and be shown now, mature, and well developed both mentally and physically whereas the other of the pair needs more time before they'd be ready for the ring and its always difficult to know if a judge is judging the ponies on the day or as a future animal as all are different. Hope that makes sense, probably not but hope it maybe gives another option to the judges comment?
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Post by babsr on Nov 28, 2009 12:14:39 GMT
I do wish Exhibitors would carefully read the rules......... Rule 1 clearly states: All foals must be WEANED and at least 20 WEEKS OLD on the day of the Show So actually the 4.1/2 month old foal should not have been entered !!! as she WAS too young BabsR
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Post by fionadoylan1 on Nov 28, 2009 14:40:03 GMT
Hi Babsr, Just to clarify Doylan J'Adore's Gift date of birth ;she was born on July 3;so that would make her 20 weeks on friday 20 november and the date of show was the 22 november ,I did inform you of her d.o.b. when you took my entry. Fiona
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Post by kirsten on Nov 28, 2009 18:05:46 GMT
Hi Fiona, thank you for your comments about our filly. Thats the thing with showing though is'nt it, sometimes judges say things that rightly or wrongly can be taken either way. Sometimes I wish we did something else like jumping, at least you know where you are with that! Anyway good luck for the future with her as she is sure to go far. Kirsten
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Post by princess1 on Nov 28, 2009 18:54:13 GMT
I do wish Exhibitors would carefully read the rules......... Rule 1 clearly states: All foals must be WEANED and at least 20 WEEKS OLD on the day of the Show So actually the 4.1/2 month old foal should not have been entered !!! as she WAS too young BabsR alot of lovelly foals presented but............on the subject of rules, i thought id read no clipping of foals?? i believe i saw several clipped out heads and ones neck......or was I mistaken? ?
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fatty
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Post by fatty on Nov 28, 2009 20:15:30 GMT
talking about reading rules, we wish we had, we won the small hack class and were disqualified as our leather lead had a chain which is against the rules. perhaps on entry to classes an independant could check for the likes of chains, clipping, age etc. and then it would be fair to all, as we are sure others had chains etc and were not disqualified probably because they were not seen.
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Post by babsr on Nov 28, 2009 21:53:59 GMT
Fatty........running a Show of this calibre calls for many staff to ensure the smooth running of classes. When an Exhibitor makes an entry, we have to trust that they have carefully read the rules and are abiding by those rules. Large Notices were posted at each entrance to the Showring, to bring attention to whips and chains, along with a copy of the Show Rules It really is not the Show staff who should be checking each exhibit before they enter a class and if exhibitors do choose to ignore the rules.....then if a complaint is made, we always take action. Sadly for you a spectator did complain. The ring steward was asked to confirm if the lead rein chain passed over the back of the lower jaw.....and we had no alternative but to disqualify you On looking through the show photo proofs.....I agree there were foals clipped about the head and neck. No complaints were received otherwise exhibitors having done so, would likewise have been disqualified When I introduced this show...I set out to have a HOYS standard show exclusively for weaned foals...... BNFOY builds up year on year and the feedback has always been wonderful. It is a Breeders Show and we actively encourage new Breeders. What we dont want to happen is for the Show to become a Producers "Pot Hunting" Show ......winning at all cost, even if that means contravening the rules Please exhibitors...help to make this a happy fair show for all to enjoy and do ensure you adhere to the rules and conditions of the Show.......otherwise..what is the point!!! Fiona, apologies your filly was eligible having just reached 20 weeks ......but as you say...cant win all the time and you do have super foals capable of holding their own in top class company Babs BNFOY
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Post by fionadoylan1 on Nov 28, 2009 22:01:27 GMT
Hi Fatty I watched your class and I thought you were hard done by . Ok, its against the rules to use a chain but I wondered why it was only pointed out to you after you had won your class.Surely the stewards would have noticed whilst you where doing your individual show. It begs to wonder if the chain would have been noticed if you were down the line? Fiona
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Post by babsr on Nov 28, 2009 22:23:42 GMT
Fiona .......I feel quite offended by your final sentence in your last post. I too was saddened to receive the complaint about the chain from a spectator and had to be seen to follow through.
Whether at the top or the bottom of the line would have made no difference, as you suggested it may have. I did say to the handler, our action was very regrettable and that her foal was super and in my personal opinion, could have gone on to win Championships at the Show.....a really top class colt
My Show is Organised and run with no favours or otherwise, to any Exhibitors, regardless of who they are and as you know, anyone deliberately cheating (and they do) heavens knows why .......I do take the necessary action to try to stamp this out!!
Such a pity and does spoil what is otherwise the best Foal Show in the Country
Babs BNFOY
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Post by fionadoylan1 on Nov 28, 2009 22:54:55 GMT
Sorry Babs I dont mean to offend I know you put in a lot of hard work in to running the show .I just felt very sorry for Fatty after winning the class to be disqualified. If it could have been noticed earlier ,perhaps she could have quickly changed the chain and continued in the class.It was very sad, to see been stripped of first place. Fiona
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Post by vjc on Nov 28, 2009 23:19:50 GMT
I too felt very sorry for the colt that was disqualified, but i can also see how if it was spotted it had to be seen to be acted upon. It would have been even more embarressing for everyone if the mistake was not picked up then and this lovley colt had gone on to win championships which was quite possible with him being such a nice animal, only to then have them stripped away. My heart goes out to the owner as she genuinely overlooked that rule and i wish her every success in the coming showing season with her lovely boy.
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lynne
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Post by lynne on Nov 28, 2009 23:21:17 GMT
on a lighter note, will you be putting full results and pics on web page like you did 2008.
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Post by poop on Nov 28, 2009 23:56:43 GMT
On the subject of not clipping foals, i'm all for foals not being fully clipped out just to get a good coat, that is just plain cruel at this time of year. But for people who have mentioned about the clipping of heads and necks can you clarify what is acceptable and why? Ie most well presented animals plaiteds or welsh will have had trimmers run along the jaw line and throat and maybe edges of ears, and some welshies do have a strip off down the neck to show off a clean front, as is often seen at WPCS shows, this is not against the breed standard. I agree that this can be taken to the extreme and i do not like to see welsh ponies have their whole heads clipped off. Would it be more appropriate to state 'foals should not be body clipped, or excessively trimmed'??
I do think the show had alot of rules that were different to other foal shows - ie we were not allowed our welsh whips as the length was too long - even though this was just because of the thong. I did read the rule about no rein chains but dont tend to use them anyway & thought it was sensible from a welfare point of view until I saw one or two in the welsh classes which were very uncontrollable in a white halter almost to the point of bolting into the other ring.
Overall I thought the show was very well run, excellent commentator, lots of good stewards and fab rosettes. The trophies would have rivalled a county show! Would def. make the effort to go again.
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Post by heathers on Nov 29, 2009 0:34:26 GMT
i wonder if the rules would have been bent for certain people. fiona,your filly is stunning.by the way,you were within the rules, sad little excuses
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Post by heathers on Nov 29, 2009 3:35:00 GMT
I do wish Exhibitors would carefully read the rules......... Rule 1 clearly states: All foals must be WEANED and at least 20 WEEKS OLD on the day of the Show So actually the 4.1/2 month old foal should not have been entered !!! as she WAS too young BabsR you should get you facts straight before you go on forums mouthing off.i saw fionas foal when born.you made yourself look a bit foolish.you lost a bit of respect in my eyes
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Post by heathers on Nov 29, 2009 3:57:36 GMT
ps babs, if your still looking for a top class stallion maybe you should speak to fionadoylan1
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Post by lils on Nov 29, 2009 4:16:08 GMT
I do wish Exhibitors would carefully read the rules......... Rule 1 clearly states: All foals must be WEANED and at least 20 WEEKS OLD on the day of the Show So actually the 4.1/2 month old foal should not have been entered !!! as she WAS too young BabsR you should get you facts straight before you go on forums mouthing off.i saw fionas foal when born.you made yourself look a bit foolish.you lost a bit of respect in my eyes Heathers, i have found your replies on this thread rather aggresive. I didnt attend,but have read 2 of fionas posts which state and but then fiona goes on to state a DOB which makes the filly 5 months. No dig at you fiona, i dont know you, and like i say didnt compete, but have raed this thread with interest. And re clipping of foals, i have seen pics of peoples foals who attended clipped, through jaw down front. Surely it has to be an entire no clipping rule, and adhered to
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Post by lils on Nov 29, 2009 4:18:47 GMT
i wonder if the rules would have been bent for certain people. fiona,your filly is stunning.by the way,you were within the rules, sad little excuses
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Post by fionadoylan1 on Nov 29, 2009 7:44:40 GMT
I did not mean to mislead on Doylan J'Adores Gift age I just did a rough calculation;date of birth 3 July, I just counted ,3 August,3 Sept , 3 Oct, 3 Nov plus ,a couple of weeks. But when you actually start counting weeks it did make her 20 weeks .and 2 days Fiona
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Post by heathers on Nov 29, 2009 10:20:33 GMT
lils,are you serious,you think i'm aggresive,OMG
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babsr
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Post by babsr on Nov 29, 2009 10:27:43 GMT
With regard to the excessive trimming of foals.....the rules state NO CLIPPING......we do not make exceptions for breed types....a good Judge can see through a bit of foal fluff. Next year we will post signs in the collecting ring to that effect. If Exhibitors do still contravene that rule...they will be disqualified Chains which run across the back of Foals lower jaw.....are not allowed, under any circumstances and rough handling or abuse of foals will also lead to severe reprimand. The Show Organisers do their utmost to try to keep the Show running smoothly and pleasantly......and feel that Exhibitors should also do their `bit` by complying to what are reasonable conditions of entry for young foals. With regard to the Whips.....canes with a leather leash attached (hunting whips) are not allowed as is with schooling whips...Showing canes only with no attachments are the requirement. Our Public Address is the best...HOYS commentator,`on the day prints` from our professional photographer. We have the services of 19-individual Judges, for our 57 classes and 16- breed sections and their championships, plus 3-supreme championships Our Rosettes and Sashes are second to none (every single Exhibitor receives a rosette, even if not in the top six placings) Our trophies are fantastic.....and fabulous prize money for those gaining the supreme Championships ......and the Presidents Gold Cup.......surely the best trophy on the Breed Show Circuit. All this for very reasonable entry fees and cheap stabling costs....not another Foal show to compare!!! Lynn......yes, just waiting for the pics from the photographer and will post all, along with results and report,on the BNFOY webpage SAP. www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk to view So.....please, please Exhibitors help the Organisers make the BNFOY a happy and honest experience for all who attend Babs BNFOY P.S. Heather thank you for your suggestion re stallions but as we are specialist Anglo Arab Breeders and stand our own homebred stallions.....only interested in that breed of stallion
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Post by heathers on Nov 29, 2009 10:37:09 GMT
thats ok babs,just a thought
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fatty
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Post by fatty on Nov 29, 2009 14:27:21 GMT
the owner of Esprit de Mooiman who was the foal disqualified accepted immediately the decision , as you can see from previous comments, however, from my point of view the comments made about the disqualification only came because of a spectators complaint is dangerous. Responding to spectators intervention we would disqualify overweight, clipped, wrong bits, wrong clothes etc. based on complaints. The rules are the backbone of all sport and was good enough for us. Esprit is a quality foal and hopefully will develop into a fine yearling for his owner and i will tell her about the good comments made.
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babsr
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Post by babsr on Nov 29, 2009 15:26:09 GMT
Fatty....can understand what you say and yes, we do act on complaints from Spectators but only if their complaint is about an Exhibitor contravening the Rules and Conditions of entry
In fact, on the odd occasion we have acted, the complaint has always proven to be correct We want our Show to be seen as totally fair at all times.
When exhibitors `bend` or ignore the Show Rules, or deliberately cheat, they are acting in a very selfish manner towards their fellow competitors and spoil the atmosphere of the Show for everyone
......very unfair in my opinion, and not what our Show is all about.
Babs BNFOY
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Post by crimson on Nov 30, 2009 11:59:05 GMT
Well done to everyone that went. I do have to ask a question regarding the rules though, not a dig, a genuine enquiry, From the post previously, it sounds like you would only act on a "rule break" if you received a complaint, is this right? It just seems a little unfair, as this way people who no one wants to upset may get away with intentional rule breaks, while a genuine mistake made by someone else without a lot of "friends" gets complained about. I do agree that any rule breaks you are informed about should be acted upon, however I also think that the ring stewards should carry a copy of the rules and be fully aware of them (there aren't that many) so that they can act upon rules breaks themselves without the need for a complaint to go through first. For example, the lady with the chain, fair enough, should have been disqualified, however if clipped foals (also a rule break) weren't equally punished, it does seem very unfair! I know your staff have a lot to do but it only takes a ring steward a second to look at a foal and see that it has been clipped surely?
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Post by babsr on Nov 30, 2009 14:46:18 GMT
Hi Crimson......your comment is valid. It does seem such a pity that exhibitors cannot be trusted to read the Show Rules and abide by them!!
However, we feel that the Ring Stewards cannot be held responsible or do not feel they can be empowered to disqualify exhibitors who flaunt the rules, without approval from the Show Organisers. They do in fact take whips from Exhibitors entering the showrings carrying same, and return them upon completion of the class
We do need a person in authority who can and will disqualify rule breakers and sadly, with the exception of one exhibitor....those that have offended are experienced exhibitors, who are regular County Show Exhibitors and should know better!!
A Committee meeting is being arranged in order to discuss ways to solve the problem and save embarrassment for all concerned
Babs BNFOY
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Post by babsr on Dec 3, 2009 14:03:16 GMT
Excellent report (2-pages and pics) in Horse & Hound Today ;D Also all class results
Well done to all our Exhibitors who went home with the silverware and prize money. Hope you all had an enjoyable day
Will post all championships pics and placings (on website) when we get pics from photographer 2010 show will be on 21st November, so look forward to seeing you next year
Happy and restful Christmas and Prosperous New Year
Babs BNFOY
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Post by zeebeedee on Dec 3, 2009 15:32:00 GMT
Absolutely beautiful foals in the report in the H & H but I was surprised that the handlers and particularly one of 16 not wearing hard hats.
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