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Post by hp on Apr 27, 2007 10:06:25 GMT
Only saw the 2/3 y.o. class but one went in and stormed the ring. I thought it went fantastic ears pricked and flying! I loved it but dont have a clue who it was.
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Post by system on Apr 27, 2007 10:30:35 GMT
If you have a pony that you consider to be top class, then why shouldn't it go to a producer. It is so hard for an individual to beat the long established breeders even with something that is far superior.Certain judges don't like to put the "big breeders" down just in case they need the favour returning. Unfortunately this is how the system works.
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Post by i agree on Apr 27, 2007 10:33:51 GMT
i totally agree with you system on this one. why shouldn't a pony go to a producer if it is good enough. i think a lot of people on this site are just jealous of people winning.
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Post by lolly on Apr 27, 2007 11:14:26 GMT
There is nothing wrong with ponies going to producers, the problem is what level will producers go to to secure red rosettes. after all if the pony s they are producing wins it secures their future in the industry. Its just a case of getting the right balance and judges supporting that. For the record too I wanted the D in question to win hands down as its the same lines as mine and I loved her, just saddened by all the weight she carried at 3
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Post by HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM on Apr 27, 2007 11:17:31 GMT
Im Ceratinly Not jelous and very happy and do well with what i have, im not jelous of a pony that wont have a long life, im not jelous od a pony at a producers would rather do it myself and on occasion beat them on my animals own merits not on who owes what what and who is showing them, i to be honest just go and have fun, i think the serious side ocasionally and not slating all producers, so probably do it in a very nice way and have good results, but what you hear about the things people will do to win and how traumatised ponies must be etc its hardly fun anymore is it...
People just take things to the extreme the sec a in question would be a amazing pony if on the day had been happy and shown well and been considerably slimmer
I just think it really gets sick when it gets far to serious and risks the ponies health.
Thats the Only greeness i have is as in feeling sick not jelously !!! wouldnt swap my animals for the world they do there job and doit happily and healthly
for the record i am no tree hugger or anti cruety to anumlas or a rspca or ilph fan if you knwo what i mean, im realistic with animals, teach them well chastise when nesseciary
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Post by hmmmmmmmmmmmmm on Apr 27, 2007 11:20:53 GMT
apologies for spelling errors etc when i go on a waffle but you get my drift was also meant to say not against producers at all and i think sometimes its the breeders exhibiting there own animals that push the limits, but there are always goings to be people who push the boundaries with weight and handling etc not just breeders or producers but also the small fry who aspire to be like the folk winning all the reds !!!
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Post by mature on Apr 27, 2007 11:39:34 GMT
I have to agree with the comments on youngsters. I hate seeing 3/4 year olds looking like 8 year olds with people passing them off as 'mature' for their age. You can tell when a pony has been pumped full to make it look more mature and bigger and it only causes problems in the future! When i judge riddens i always worry about ponies that are looking corse and fat at the age of 4, where does it have to go?? I was once placed reserve in one class and a very well known pony which we thought was a sure for the championship was no where. The judges reason was its a novice championship and in my opinion that pony has no where to go, it is not going to improve anymore where as these two true novices do. I thought that was a very good point I have to say though all this talk about fat does have me worried that it may go the other way and people will start putting ponies down that are actually very fit in 'good' condition!
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Post by system on Apr 27, 2007 11:43:52 GMT
I show my own ponies and have a great deal of pleasure out of doing it. I also feel we do very well, except for when it comes to the championship. This is mostly when I feel favours are done by judges and this when a producer, one who carries a certain amount of respect, would be very useful to lead my ponies!!
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Post by Im not telling on Apr 27, 2007 17:45:02 GMT
Can you sad load of bit*hes really say that you are happy??? I think this load of crap that you have written proves that showing is really what people say it is! CROOKED! I am so glad that I will never have to have some fat old biddy ever judge my horses again, why should thay have the right to dictate which horse is better than the other! When most of the time they cant see past the end of their glasses. Half the time the horse that truly deserves to win is at the bottom of the line, only because A. it is not owned but a producer and B. it hasnt been ridden for 6 hours outside of the ring! FOR YOU SAKES GET A LIFE! Do something different, you never know you may even like it! SHOWING IS sh1t!
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Post by dptk on Apr 27, 2007 18:05:57 GMT
You haven't said what you do with your horses/ponies. If you dont show, then why should you be interested in this site?
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Post by Im not telling on Apr 27, 2007 20:44:46 GMT
Eventing, I was told to look on this site as a firend found it while she was browsing and text me to say I should have a look AS SHE COULDNT QUITE BELIEVE WHAT WAS BEING WRITTEN ON IT!
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Post by food for thought on Apr 27, 2007 20:55:19 GMT
RE: Sec As Just looking through the results, it is VERY strange how the two people that are very friendly with the judge are in the top placings in every class that they entered, but then how come two ponies from each of those breeders that had been sold on (yet of the same stamp & breeding) are right down the bottom of the line, and these too are quality ponies that won at the highest level in previous years with the breeders. The problem is with in-hand showing is that it is pretty easy to call the results under certain judges, because unlike ridden showing performance never has to play a part in the line up so the judge never has to justify the placings to anyone. Its perhaps even stranger how the champion and reserve studs have gone onto the WPCS judging panel this year.
Now what I am presenting to you is not hearsay, speculation or opinions but cold hard facts - make your own mind up.
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Post by welshies on Apr 27, 2007 22:35:22 GMT
This thread is all about judges setting a good example. So far we have proved they do not-so I wonder what will happen at the royal welsh. I have heard it will be facey. Have I paid £200 for stabling and entries for nothing? Perhaps I should think about spending my Hubbies hard earned cash on something else,something that he wont, at least moan about!
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Post by optimism on Apr 27, 2007 23:10:35 GMT
mmmmmm your right - results are on EMWPCA for all to see Don't be downcast though, i predicted the results ages ago and not ALL judges are the same
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Post by ednalad on Apr 28, 2007 8:45:26 GMT
judges,judges judges!!! if it really bothers all you lot about so called "unfair facey" judging....get of your butts and go and become a judge yourself. im sure you would all be" brilliant!!!"... as you judge so well from the ring side and on here.......... ?!!!!
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Post by face on Apr 28, 2007 9:21:59 GMT
ednald. the reason so many people judge so well outside the ring is because they go to so many shows and see judges showing and winning then at another show the favor is re payed this works throughout the season. If anyone thinks different then i am sure there are a few people that can name names and shows etc. The balance of good judges to bent ones is more in the favor of the bent ones.there are some very nice well tone ponies about this season and there getting left down the line for favors. At the end of the day to become a judge is getting easy now we can just buy our way to it . then your Stud amazingly starts doing well getting you to hoy's and Olimpia
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Post by NXWTSHT on Apr 28, 2007 13:12:59 GMT
I have shown under this judge in the past in a part of the country where he didn't know anybody and I thought he judged extremely well in those circumstances and I would certainly show under him again. I can't comment on the show this thread is about because I wasn't there and I'm not going to speculate.
I think we all know faciness goes on though you see it happening time and time again. It's a real shame because most of these judges do know what a good pony is, do recognise good conformation and if they stopped the faciness and judged fairly they would earn so much kourus for being good and knowledgable judges. I do think there are a few judges out there though that know very little about comformation and breed type across the board and I take their judging with a pinch of salt, what can you do other than laugh at them!
What really bugs me is the lack of knowledge that a few of the ridden judges have. I have been in open ridden classes affililliated to their breed society where the judge has treated it like an inhand class and conducted it in such a manner, it is laughable! I've seen someone win such an open ridden class who only walked and trotted didn't even canter and was carrying a long schoolling whip, above ponies that did flawless shows. Afterwards she was sitting eating icecream with the judge. This is fact! And yes I did complain to the breed society and got no response or acknowledgement and I now boycott any ridden classes judged by any of their judges that are soley judges for that breed society and not for any other organisation.
I really believe that nobody should be judging a ridden class unless they have ridden themsleves in the past. People complain of ponies wrong legging it, but I believe half the time that is because the judge is clueless and doesn't know what is a right or wrong leg to be on anyway!
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Post by ednalad on Apr 28, 2007 13:29:14 GMT
I quite agree that ridden judges should of ridden/competed under saddle to a certain level,.. ( and be examined on there ridden knowledge).so many times do we see inhand judges, judging ridden classes and wouldnt even know if the pony/horse was on the wrong leg or not etc etc...
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Post by viking on Apr 28, 2007 14:36:27 GMT
And how many times do we have to watch a ridden judge making a complete pigs a*se out of an inhand class. Not all ridden judges get it right!
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Post by judges on Apr 28, 2007 20:30:44 GMT
Have the champion and reserve in the section A's both gotten on the panel?? It'll be even more crooked than it is now.
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Post by Danielle Waller Delami Stud on Apr 28, 2007 20:51:48 GMT
i thought i would write a reply to this thread as there are a lot of false accusations being written about me and my stud.
I was the person who showed the Reserve Section A and believe me, not myself or anyone in my family have even attempted to get onto the WPCS judges panel.
Danielle Waller
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Post by FAO food for thought on Apr 28, 2007 21:54:57 GMT
Food for thought - where did you get your "cold hard facts" from - because they dont appear to be true in this case. if people are spreading lies, its not very fair on the people they are about is it??
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Post by HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM on Apr 29, 2007 6:23:22 GMT
Danielle with regards the thread i dont think from my point any of it is aimed at the bay one you showed i saw this and thought it to be a lovley pony and was fine weight wise, and this one deserved her place, you do have nice ponies and maybe your grey should have been up and over the champion in many peoples opnion, and you do a good job with them, so at least from my point of view this isnt aimed at either of your 2 ponies that were there on that day. Your ponies at least looked happy unlike the champion
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Post by Danielle Waller on Apr 29, 2007 8:25:04 GMT
thank you Hmmmmmmmm for your reply, it is lovley of you to say that about my ponies. however, as i'm sure you can imagine - it's not your thread i was really replying too! it is more the "cold hard facts" that dont appear to be that cold, hard or even facts for that matter!! thanks again, Danielle.
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Post by ohmy on Apr 29, 2007 8:53:49 GMT
Oh my as a non native person who doesn't own anything at all native, I was horrified at some of those ponies! Oh my how do they even move? Don't think I have seen anything so gross! On the other hand I can see some ponies in prfect condition - well done those people
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