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Post by hmmmmmmmm on Apr 23, 2007 12:45:00 GMT
after what was witnessed at the weekend if a nice well known studs pony went like a bag of poo poo grumpy and very un happy and was extreemly fat on a fine frame medalled what hope has anyone got
i think that was the fatest pony i had seen in a long time.
so much for lighter weight show animals being judged on what they are i have seen some fatter than they were last year already and the grass isnt here yet, i know a pony need a good covering and in nice condition
where will they be in years to come, if they make it alive in years to come
for the sake of a bit of ribbon
is it really worth it ??
here we are with good doers on strict diets being exercised trying hard to keep them trim
What example is it when novices go to shows and expect there animals to look like this
i think its sickening what we do to animals for a ribbon
this is coming from a person who eats meat from a hunting background and not a animal rights activist or a fan of rspca or ilph
but a animal owner who cares for animal and has show and suceeded on occasion on a affiliated level in strong classes
i think some people have put up a stand against the latest critisims on weight by letting there animals be grossly overweight
i dread to think what they will look like when grass comes in !!
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Post by Welsh on Apr 23, 2007 13:24:52 GMT
Was this at an all Welsh Show at the weekend??
If so I doubt you were the only person thinking that
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Post by pho3nix on Apr 23, 2007 13:33:21 GMT
after what was witnessed at the weekend if a nice well known studs pony went like a bag of poo poo grumpy and very un happy and was extreemly fat on a fine frame medalled what hope has anyone got i think that was the fatest pony i had seen in a long time. so much for lighter weight show animals being judged on what they are i have seen some fatter than they were last year already and the grass isnt here yet, i know a pony need a good covering and in nice condition where will they be in years to come, if they make it alive in years to come for the sake of a bit of ribbon is it really worth it ?? here we are with good doers on strict diets being exercised trying hard to keep them trim What example is it when novices go to shows and expect there animals to look like this i think its sickening what we do to animals for a ribbon this is coming from a person who eats meat from a hunting background and not a animal rights activist or a fan of rspca or ilph but a animal owner who cares for animal and has show and suceeded on occasion on a affiliated level in strong classes i think some people have put up a stand against the latest critisims on weight by letting there animals be grossly overweight i dread to think what they will look like when grass comes in !! my, what a difficult read... but i het your jist! The over weight issue will always be around. Personally, i watch the weight of my ponies very carefully. A fat pony is an unhappy pony - FACT
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Post by HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM on Apr 23, 2007 15:15:12 GMT
Sorry its difficult to read was written with pure despair yes was a welsh show
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Post by Pudding on Apr 23, 2007 15:48:19 GMT
I have a mare that was always on the podgy side, she is an excellent doer and like many m&m's gets fat on fresh air...we so want her to get in foal this year and were told we stood a better chance if she slimmed down a bit, anyhow we have put her on a real strict diet and now she seems so much happier and has so much more energy too! I have my fingers crossed about the foal bit aswell!!!
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Post by not a shock on Apr 23, 2007 16:19:21 GMT
If it is the same pony I think it is, I felt the same thing. It never hurts when you're good friends with the judge though as CH & Res showed and both were overweight imo.
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Post by please on Apr 23, 2007 16:29:28 GMT
could someone please tell the name of the show this was at?
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Post by i think on Apr 23, 2007 17:15:32 GMT
I assumed it was EMWPCA
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Post by Ermm on Apr 23, 2007 17:53:34 GMT
And possibly a B?
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Post by photos on Apr 23, 2007 18:07:09 GMT
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Post by maybe on Apr 23, 2007 18:07:38 GMT
or maybe the section A??
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Post by fatponyowner on Apr 23, 2007 18:30:08 GMT
If i'm looking at the right ponies i wouldnt say they're massively over weight, they look about right in noce show condition. I may be looking at the wrong ponies on the photos though, as i'm not very good at cryptic clues.
Also looking at it from the point of view of a person with a fat pony, good doers aren't always so simple to keep the weight off. We have a 13h shp who is hunting fit, is fed just a handfull of happy hoof twice a day plus a scoop of supplements so hes not short of what she needs nurtitional wise, is ridden everyday and not just pottered around but worked, she also has little hay at night when he is in and bedded on shavings so can't eat his bed. During the day he goes out on a field of pure mud, no grass in sight yet he is still well rounded. He is fine in wind and everything, so its not that he's unfit, yet he is still overweight. WE get constant dirty looks at shows when we do well with him but he is a healthy pony and if he sounds clean in his pipe, does a good show and has excellant conformation apart from his weight why shouldnt he? he has always been overweight from the day we got him as a yearling, but what else can we do? ANyone who has any suggestions would be great?
I realise this is going to meet some confrontation but i just wanted to point out that it is not that ponies are always produced fat for the ring
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Post by choc choc on Apr 23, 2007 18:44:24 GMT
oh i know where your coming from but watching the riddern i think there are some jockeys over show weight. Its get your pony fat so they dont look so big on it, they should dump them I think that was almost the wost judgeing i had ever seen. I heard the judge say this is the first time she has ever done the marks system My god did she mess up. There were some good ponys down the line ive looked at the pics and very poor winners
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Post by my god on Apr 23, 2007 18:48:03 GMT
Choc choc - i cannot believe what you have just said. That is absolutely disgusting. How dare you come on here and say something like that. You hurtful horrible person. I wasnt at the show, neither am i connected to anyone that went by the way.
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Post by Sec A on Apr 23, 2007 19:18:43 GMT
i do not think that the reserve section A was fat at all.
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Post by more choc choc on Apr 23, 2007 19:19:58 GMT
i think you will find HnH did a piece on this not long ago and i dont mean to offend but its showing and there is an ellement of this that is about the over all picture, I have seen over weight adults riding childs ponys, which have neither the bone or substance . The C and D sections seem to be carring far too much weight and its not muscle its fat
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Post by my god on Apr 23, 2007 19:37:11 GMT
Choc choc, i am well aware of the fat pony issues etc, but you were just downright cruel about large jockeys. Sounds like you do need a bit of choc choc you miserably skinny person.
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Post by hp on Apr 23, 2007 19:39:10 GMT
Choc choc i was in that ridden class and I was the one the judge kept in the ring to tell me how gross my pony was and how unnacceptable it was. this is the same judge which asked if was a c or a d!!!!!!!!!
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Post by not involved on Apr 23, 2007 19:44:01 GMT
Choc choc, i am well aware of the fat pony issues etc, but you were just downright cruel about large jockeys. Sounds like you do need a bit of choc choc you miserably skinny person. i wasn't at the show and not involved but i think that there is a massive difference between being very overweight and a little on the large size. CC may not be a miserable skinny person but is probably normal size/weight etc.
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Post by choc choc gone on Apr 23, 2007 19:45:36 GMT
I am not skinny - not got over easter yet!
HP - the only pony i thought was v weighty could never be mistaken for C - i like your mare
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Post by over the top on Apr 23, 2007 19:59:25 GMT
I was not at the show, so I can not comment, not would I want to! However I thought a cob should be able to carry a bit of weight regardless of anything else. Some people like to go out and have fun and show thier ponies off not be made fun off because they are on the larger side!! Being made fun of or even having the fact you are on the chubby side bought up or pointed out is so hurtful!
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Post by me2 on Apr 23, 2007 20:32:53 GMT
I was there yesterday and one of the c's inhand was gross and therefore effecting it movement such a lovely pony aswell and would have looked better with the weight off but again was not penalised!! still won but the question is whos got the guts to drop a very nice pony big breeders and well known faces?? i have been guilty last year of having bit to much top on mine and three judges told me this (i did get the weight off!), I think judges are commenting but not putting the ponies down for it. but a question again do you put a correct top class pony down for being overweight and put something thats not as good quality above that is of the right weight??
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Post by the other extreme on Apr 23, 2007 21:21:11 GMT
I know that 'fat ponies' is this years hot topic - and rightly so, but I cant believe that no one has mentioned the 3 poor ponies there yesterday.
Are we being incorraged to keep our ponies thin by not ever worming them!!!!!! - one of these ponies was given a red rossette.
I don't know how they manage it as everyone else with a welsh pony/cob has their ponies on strict diets at this time of year.
PLEASE - IF YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE OR BRED THESE PONIES - BUY THESE PEOPLE SOME WORMERS AND FEED!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by johnwayne on Apr 23, 2007 21:24:20 GMT
but a question again do you put a correct top class pony down for being overweight and put something thats not as good quality above that is of the right weight??[/quote]
NO! Of course not! Where would that end, I wonder? Over fatness is not going to change the future generations of ponies - wrong conformation/bad movement etc, would. Please note that I'm not a fan of obese ponies, but it surely must be less important in the show-ring than 2nd rate ponies.
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Post by dun4u on Apr 23, 2007 21:30:02 GMT
I was there yesterday and one of the c's inhand was gross and therefore effecting it movement such a lovely pony aswell and would have looked better with the weight off but again was not penalised!! still won but the question is whos got the guts to drop a very nice pony big breeders and well known faces?? i have been guilty last year of having bit to much top on mine and three judges told me this (i did get the weight off!), I think judges are commenting but not putting the ponies down for it. but a question again do you put a correct top class pony down for being overweight and put something thats not as good quality above that is of the right weight?? This last question here puts it in a nutshell. What is the Judge to do if the best, correct pony is grossly overweight, and the others are poorer quality? I shall ask my friend who is on about 12 different panels, when I see him next time.
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Post by judges on Apr 23, 2007 21:47:24 GMT
choc choc don't know how you can say there were very poor winners in the riddens the A and D - ch & res are both Royal Welsh winners. touch of sour grapes?.....
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Post by choc choc on Apr 24, 2007 6:51:45 GMT
choc choc don't know how you can say there were very poor winners in the riddens the A and D - ch & res are both Royal Welsh winners. touch of sour grapes?..... are you saying that everything at the Royal welsh that wins are the best examples - we all know the favours that go there!
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Post by moi on Apr 24, 2007 9:55:34 GMT
but a question again do you put a correct top class pony down for being overweight and put something thats not as good quality above that is of the right weight?? Absolutely not. Weight is temporary; any pony can gain over the season, especially the natives. Some ponies truly do live on fresh air! Quality has to come first. With strong limbs and correct movement a pony can carry a bit more weight. Now I'm not in favour of having obese ponies, but there is a happy medium. A judge cannot put something up the top of the line just because it's a better weight than something that moves correctly and is a good example of its breed/type. It'll send out the message that incorrect limbs etc are OK so long as the pony is a bit thinner!
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Post by papahotchie on Apr 24, 2007 12:10:15 GMT
It seems that you are all in violent agreement with each other...... you are all saying in different ways that non of you want to see unhappy, unhealthy ponies in the ring, whether they are too skinny or too fat...........
An animal with good confirmation, in good health and with a vitality for life......will always stand out of the crowd....and WIN!
Most native pony owners struggle regularly to keep weight off their good doers......but there are still a minority of people who think that the only way to win is to stuff masses of hard feed down them..... this is the type of behaviour / stigma that we need to wipe out in showing.....
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Post by Guestless on Apr 24, 2007 22:16:32 GMT
but a question again do you put a correct top class pony down for being overweight and put something thats not as good quality above that is of the right weight?? Absolutely not. Weight is temporary; any pony can gain over the season, especially the natives. Some ponies truly do live on fresh air! Quality has to come first. Just to be controversial.......there is another way of looking on this. What's the point in having the nicest example of a breed/type if you are going to run the risk of killing it through over-feeding it? Weight may be temporary - but the side-effects may not be so! So perhaps judges should be thinking about that when they put obese ponies at the top of the line. Too much weight may result in the pony losing it's life, a small splint on the next in line will not. Just putting the cat among the pigeons.
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