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Post by Twilight. on Mar 8, 2010 14:01:44 GMT
The difficulty is that out hacking , hunting on the beach etc what you meet is a ' natural obstacle' not a pen with a slippery black water tray fenced in by derby rails and bits of tree. Sadly many ,many good ponies were either eliminated or chose to retire. I watched from start to finish and felt that it was an unfair and dangerous ask for the ponies and jockeys. I'm not sure what is to be acheived by building such a scary obstacle, even sadder still is when people who build such jumps are heard to be gloating at the end result. The judges, stewards and some of the committee looked very uncomfortable as the events in the 3 height sections unfolded. I hope we wont see too many more interpretations of the new rule like Saturdays.
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Post by bundle on Mar 8, 2010 14:23:36 GMT
I have just had a look on the schedule but cannot find it - can anyone tell me who the coursebuilder was please?
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Post by iloveshowing on Mar 8, 2010 14:30:50 GMT
Any SP results
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Post by vogue on Mar 8, 2010 14:47:44 GMT
I also watched from start to finish and I must say at least the crowd enjoyed it! - No animals or jockeys came to any harm whatsoever ( apart from some ego's ? ) On the whole the smaller breeds ( and jockeys ) coped with it much better and lots more in the smaller height section got through than the larger ones.
Personally I think it challenged the ponies and jockeys, the stand was cheering when one went clear, it was a bit like watching the gold cup or the dessie.
I can aslo say that the water tray was not slippery, we have built a similar jump at home using a rubber water tray and our pony goes through with no problem at all.
Perhaps you should be moaning at the rule makers not the course builder?
As for the judges, they both walked the course prior to judging the class - if they were not happy with the course then presumubly they would have objected?
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Post by volunteer on Mar 8, 2010 16:23:50 GMT
Absolutely agree with you Vogue. The rules were not set by the course builder. This splashes have been evident at some shows for a couple of years or more now. Perhaps some of the plaited workers will have to get used to them too - they do at the NPS champs
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Post by StephWheway on Mar 8, 2010 16:30:22 GMT
Personally i think that the inclusion of a water splash is a good thing, it was not a surprise - it is in the rules, every1 can practice? As volunteer says, these splashes have been around for a while now. I think that to many of the RIHS qualifiers (and HOYS for that matter) are extremly easy courses, with ponies qualifying that will never get round at the final, at least this should stop this happening.
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Post by connie on Mar 8, 2010 17:28:12 GMT
Personally i think that the inclusion of a water splash is a good thing, it was not a surprise - it is in the rules, every1 can practice? As volunteer says, these splashes have been around for a while now. I think that to many of the RIHS qualifiers (and HOYS for that matter) are extremly easy courses, with ponies qualifying that will never get round at the final, at least this should stop this happening. I completley agree with this, how many times have you seen a course that looks more a novice? Or seen ponies at top finals that just arn't equipped to jump round? Maybe thing will get better as the season goes on and more and more ponies start their season.
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Post by StephWheway on Mar 8, 2010 17:49:24 GMT
I think as people realise that this is going to be the way it is (with a scary water splash included) more people will begin to practise, etc. I agree so many of the courses look like courses you would find at your local winter novice show!
Although i do think that judges should be given some guidelines as to how these obstacles should be judged as i have witnessed some judges allowing ponies to dither at the edge for a long time, going sideways, etc before finally going and this being classed as a clear with other judges classing just a minute hesitation as a stop.
I have also, myself, been marked down in style for my pony jumping the water splash (he does this out of his stride without hesitation and in a stylish way, not ballooning) with other pony who stop and then have to be forced through getting better marks just because they put their feet in. Under BE rules something can only be deemed a "splash" if it is to big to be jumped therefore ponies who are able to jump it should not be marked down and if they are going to be there should be a minimum width the splashes should be.
Sorry iv gone on a bit here!
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Post by shp2 on Mar 8, 2010 18:05:00 GMT
does anyone know the photographer please
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Post by bundle on Mar 8, 2010 19:28:49 GMT
Course builder please?
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Post by columbine on Mar 8, 2010 19:50:38 GMT
I do find it is helpful if the course builders name is mentioned in the schedule. I may be mistaken, but couldn't see it in the schedule.
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Post by ponycrazy on Mar 8, 2010 19:53:11 GMT
Well done! Wasn't this pony on Julie Templetons yard at the start of the season though? Allow me set the record straight- Van Gogh came home over the Christmas break and is 100% eligible for the Pretty Polly. However I must say thank you to Julie and Fiona they chose Mac for Beatrice and we are very very grateful. Well done Beatrice you made Mummy and Daddy very very proud today xxx Sorry, just remembered seeing him in Julies results... Didn't think it was as long ago as before Christmas! Well done..
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Post by ponylover123 on Mar 8, 2010 19:59:08 GMT
PP Open Show Pony- Chinook Morning Light Novice Show Pony- Baylew St Valentine
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Post by shp2 on Mar 8, 2010 20:44:02 GMT
photographer please???
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Post by Flickz'A'Foot on Mar 8, 2010 21:07:05 GMT
Well done to Zoe Moore-Williams, personally thought you would of had that if that saddle wasnt 'placed' there. All of your ponies looked lush yesterday, loved the new lorry xxx
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Post by blossom2 on Mar 8, 2010 21:07:28 GMT
The Lr show pony and mini champion with Team Harvey is my pony "Amesbury Mandalay" and not a Cosford pony. Thirlled to bits with him as he was only broken at Christmas and behaved beautifully. Thank you to Ellis for riding him..
Victoria
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Post by ponylover123 on Mar 8, 2010 21:11:18 GMT
Well it was funny how it was 'placed' there just as i was coming round the back of the line up, completely blocking my way, but i personally thought he went lovely up until then, but there's showing for you! It could only have happened to me :/ And thank you.....so pleased with pheobe xx
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Post by Flickz'A'Foot on Mar 8, 2010 21:11:24 GMT
HUGE well done to abi dymond on rosie for getting the open first ridden xx
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Post by sofabed on Mar 8, 2010 21:12:56 GMT
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Post by deejay on Mar 8, 2010 21:15:43 GMT
Equinational
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Post by ponylover123 on Mar 8, 2010 21:16:32 GMT
Well done Abi xx
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Post by Flickz'A'Foot on Mar 8, 2010 21:18:35 GMT
Yeah I thought the 'placing' of that saddle was beautiful, oh well im sure they didnt mean it.
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Post by shp2 on Mar 8, 2010 21:26:54 GMT
thank you
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Post by ponylover123 on Mar 8, 2010 21:27:15 GMT
Cough cough! x
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Post by deejay on Mar 10, 2010 15:39:56 GMT
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Post by poodle123 on Mar 10, 2010 16:14:44 GMT
In response to the water splash. It is a new NPS rule this season and considering the course builders HAD to include a water splash it was not their fault it caused so many problems. The other classes throughout the day jumped brilliant and it was an excellent course as always! Perhaps people should have read the rule book and practiced the splash! Well done to everyone who finished the course!
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Post by ponylover123 on Mar 11, 2010 19:10:47 GMT
we were not told either by the steward or judge that we werent allowed behind the line up. its just the fact that they saw me coming round the back just before they put the saddle down. I have nothing against the party involved and i've just forgotten about it now if i am honest and was just angry and yes admit maybe i shouldnt have replied to the first message on here about it, it just made me more angry. I have no worries about the ticket.....its what happens on the day that matters.
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Post by Flickz'A'Foot on Mar 13, 2010 20:15:23 GMT
I can back ponylover123 up as being in that class, neither the judge or steward told us we couldnt go behind the lineup. Every pony in the class went behind the line so it wasnt just her. The comments were not against the party as they are lovely but it was down the to fact that the saddle was placed just before the pony got there. I totally agree that ponylover123 will qualify her pony and yes its what happens on that day that matters but for future references can saddles be placed by the ponies and not a million miles behind the line?
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Post by titch on Mar 14, 2010 9:15:59 GMT
sp123 I have had this happen to me on 2 occasions now. If someone can see that you are coming around the back can they just not wait for a few seconds before placing it down on the floor. I too had this happen last year a Harpbury. I suppose unless there is alot of room at the back use the front of the arena only. I can see both sides though. I also lost a qualification as someone cut me up in FRONT of the judge and i missed out by only 2 points and the judge said this was due to the go round!!! I find this more annoying as this was plain as day sabbotage!!!!
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