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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 13:06:32 GMT
I think Brightwells would do well to get him to keep his mouth shut from now on as he really not helping Brightwells improve their image merely making them look even more arrogant .
Mr Court some of us on here have been to the farm and his land where the pictures are from, some members on here have had to rescue their leased ponies back from him and those pictures are on here too?
This is not just about the sale although thank you Brightwells for holding another one as for once this dreadful stud and the neglect suffered has gained attention of a wider audience
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Post by jinja on May 20, 2011 13:09:04 GMT
I think we need to target the RSPCA and get them some bad press, that is all they care about if they get bad press people will stop donating to them.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 13:19:59 GMT
mary mary love your turn of a phrase! Terry Court is an arrogant little man whom as you said should be muzzled - don't forget all his derogatory remarks about women creating the fuss..this seems to be quite discriminatory in my mind
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 13:24:51 GMT
And so Mr Court we are only allowed to hold opinions from having witnessed the sale first hand? And for the record I don't really care whether you are disappointed or not - what you should be is ashamed
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Post by sjp on May 20, 2011 13:26:43 GMT
Couldn't agree more Marymary, Terry Courts involvement in this is reflecting so badly on Brightwells. As for his foreword in the Spring Sale catalogue, " For those of you who were not able to be at MY agm" Well doesn't that speak volumes? Does Mr Court now think he IS the WPCS?
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 13:35:47 GMT
I don't believe you legally have the right to advertise in a publicly distributed catalogue that there is a "dispersal" sale, when in fact there is no "dispersal" In the USA you would be sued for false and misleading advertising - I am not sure in the UK what the rules are
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 13:37:12 GMT
Let us not shout abuse at those that are there to help - the RSPCA does have laws to follow and can not just 'jump in'. It is the law that needs to change to enable the likes of the RSPCA to do more, and we must all stand besides each other to help this.
WHW, RSPCA and BHS have all been made aware (and keep shouting!!) and all have 'processes' to follow. Non of them can really discuss the action that they are taking, which seems infuriating, but is the procedure they must follow.
Well done, keep shouting!!
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 13:37:54 GMT
Concrete brilliant work allthatjazz we are starting to see some fruits of our labors for sure!
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Post by haggis on May 20, 2011 13:39:58 GMT
please excuse my lack of knowledge of this society - but is the Queen not the patron ? am sure her stud Manager Mr Pendrith ( he does judge) would be appalled maybe a letter to the royal mews please excuse my spelling of Terry's surname
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Post by sageandonion on May 20, 2011 13:41:00 GMT
Oh I must just pop in and say well done to allthatjazz, another angle, brilliant.
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Post by bonnieheather on May 20, 2011 13:44:19 GMT
I don't believe you legally have the right to advertise in a publicly distributed catalogue that there is a "dispersal" sale, when in fact there is no "dispersal" In the USA you would be sued for false and misleading advertising - I am not sure in the UK what the rules are Trading standards here we come.....if year after year after year Brightwells have held these 'reduction' sales, yet nothing has been reduced then TS should investigate..... Keep going at all angles.... Someone mentioned on FB that the tax man may be interested in what has been happening.....
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Post by toast on May 20, 2011 13:49:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 13:58:34 GMT
And that was in 2008!! Mmmm
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 14:03:14 GMT
My Mother who is not good on the internet has asked me to point the following out Please note who took the photo - Mike Daley , Is this the same Mike Daley who is on the WPCS Council and the Welfare Commitee and who told members on here that he was Not attending the emergency council meeting yesterday.
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Post by marymary on May 20, 2011 14:14:14 GMT
No I dont
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 14:19:25 GMT
So the RSPCA visited Criccieth Stud on Tuesday but in thier eyes cant have seen anything that they classed as a welfare case otherwise they would have taken steps to have the ponies instantly moved to a place of safety!!!!. Im really hoping that the RSPCA will step up to the mark and so change the opinions of its doubters ( of which I am 1 ).Allthatjazz well done for following it up.
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 14:25:17 GMT
OK for the non facebookers this has just been put on the facebook page of the action group -
****STOP PRESS**** We awaiting verification of reports of "movement" of ponies near and around the stud. The report is that there are healthy looking ponies being placed in fields surrounding the stud, with the appearance not usual to the stamp of pony bred there. Updates soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 14:27:00 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the purpose of the RSPCA? On their website they state: 'It's our vision to work for a world in which all humans respect and live in harmony with all other members of the animal kingdom.' And so in what parallel universe do they think Criccieth are respecting the animals that they have seen fit to breed? Actually it's a rather wishy washy statement but then that doesn't surprise me. Does anyone on here work for or has worked for the RSPCA? - I'd like to see their mission statement (unless this is it) I couldn't find it on their website
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Post by kilnstown on May 20, 2011 14:35:22 GMT
OK for the non facebookers this has just been put on the facebook page of the action group - ****STOP PRESS**** We awaiting verification of reports of "movement" of ponies near and around the stud. The report is that there are healthy looking ponies being placed in fields surrounding the stud, with the appearance not usual to the stamp of pony bred there. Updates soon. If this is true, I wonder where this charade will end, I am truly disgusted.
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Post by perfect on May 20, 2011 14:38:34 GMT
Im sorry to say, but i did say early in the postings that we wont win> I TRIED 2 yrs ago, they let it go over there heads, Its not cruelty, keeping his ponies the way he does......... and as someone has already stated in the paper today RSPCA are looking into a case where a man walked into a pub ect with a pony,,, The pony looks well and happy and clean so why look into thi These poor ponies havent got a cat in hells chance....s
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Post by Lulu on May 20, 2011 14:40:15 GMT
I THINK WE SHOULD DO A MARCH OUTSIDE WPCS AND A PROTEST AT THEIR MAIN OFFICE I did in fact, suggest this a few pages back after being advised by a friend of mine in the legal profession! This would be extremely embarrassing for them to be turned on by their own members, and with good Media Coverage!! His advice was to shout from the roof-tops and keep shouting, and to be aware that those accused would be working very quickly to cover up as much as possible before everything really hits the fan!!!
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Post by Lulu on May 20, 2011 14:43:21 GMT
OK for the non facebookers this has just been put on the facebook page of the action group - ****STOP PRESS**** We awaiting verification of reports of "movement" of ponies near and around the stud. The report is that there are healthy looking ponies being placed in fields surrounding the stud, with the appearance not usual to the stamp of pony bred there. Updates soon. Just out of interest, does anyone have any evidence of this as in video evidence? If this is true, I wonder where this charade will end, I am truly disgusted. Just out of interest, does anyone have any evidence of this, as in video evidence although I would appreciate that certain things can't be discussed on here!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 14:56:21 GMT
Im sorry to say, but i did say early in the postings that we wont win> I TRIED 2 yrs ago, they let it go over there heads, Its not cruelty, keeping his ponies the way he does......... and as someone has already stated in the paper today RSPCA are looking into a case where a man walked into a pub ect with a pony,,, The pony looks well and happy and clean so why look into thi These poor ponies havent got a cat in hells chance....s Because as has already been said - it made it into the papers - if their was media interest in all this it may just take momentum. I guess 'cruelty' can be open to interpretation - I'd say those photos represent cruelty but I accept not everyone has the same standards of horse care as others may or may not do. I still feel strongly this needs addressing however - these ponies need advocats imo
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 14:59:51 GMT
That's very interesting Perfect - good luck p.s I have a horrible feeling you were being more of a realist than a defeatist but I hope I'm wrong
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Post by perfect on May 20, 2011 15:14:40 GMT
That's very interesting Perfect - good luck p.s I have a horrible feeling you were being more of a realist than a defeatist but I hope I'm wrong I certainly will keep on fighting, as people who know me will vouch. I just know what happend last time. It never leaves my mind the picture of those ponies that i saw..... Just looked on Brightwells advertisment for the spring sale... Cat5alogue of sire that have covered the mare for sale. there are *8* different stallions that have been running with the mares. DISPERSAL MY ARSE.......
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Post by amanda on May 20, 2011 15:17:24 GMT
i thought earlier on that the ponies would disappear!!, movement around the area would seem to be a clear indication that the old boys network is in full cover the c**p mode, bet there was not one skinny pony to be seen on tuesday! keep a eye out for thin ponies turning up in other areas.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:28:05 GMT
From the FB page Kim Moody Cow Ok, just come off the phone to the rspca, iif I provide them with the accurate address to the stud also the sales where they are being passed through, they can investigate.... Anyone know the exact addresses? 8 minutes ago ·LikeUnlike · Poney Destiny Criccieth Stud Pencarth Uchaf,Chwilog,Pwlheli Gwynedd LL53 6SW - on the Horse Gossip Forum someone reported that the rspca was there on tuesday..
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on May 20, 2011 15:28:11 GMT
I still maintain that horses should come under agriculture rather than under pets then we would not have to rely on charitable organisations to ensure their welfare. Trading standards have very little jurisdiction when it comes to horses - its only really if passport rules are being broken, certainly in England. The RSPCA have very little "teeth" in many of these cases - they do need to have a police officer with them when seizing animals. We have all heard before on this forum of horses which we consider to be welfare cases and have heard the reports of RSPCA have visited, and as the animals have access to food and water they remain with their owners.
I would imagine - distasteful tho I know it is - the RSPCA or other welfare charities will be reluctant to prosecute if their is any doubt in their minds as to a successful outcome. It would be money down the drain which could have been spent on improving the lots of other animals.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:30:40 GMT
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 15:37:42 GMT
ref lucy comment -You can't sell pets for meat so it would appear that ponies sold to butchers would be under the agricultural law jurisdiction (?) which brings major health and disease concerns for all the EU countries to which they are exported eventually which might mean a Europe wide ban on horse meat exports from the UK until there is a strict adherence to EU norms in terms of condition, transport and provenance.
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