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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 11:03:35 GMT
I thought the RSPCA were allowed to enter a propery without the owners permission. Only a couple of weeks ago I watched a programme on BBC1 Animal 24/7. The RSPCA entered a property beacuse of a complaint from neighbours about a dog in poor condition which was left in the back garden. There was no one home so they climbed over the fence into the garden and found this dog in a terrible state. I believe they then rang the police who broke into the house for them where they found dead budgies that had starved to death. So I think while they couldnt break into an actual house without the police they could enter fields/garden. I maybe wrong. What do others think ?
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 20, 2011 11:07:54 GMT
Ponydestiny what is the wavelength ( if that is the right term ) of that radio show ? How can we listen in ? Is it available in England or just Wales ?
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 11:12:06 GMT
Hmmmm good thinking br - I too am not clear on the legal situation - I did think RSPCA could not legally enter anyones home, land, property etc and that police are required with a warrant. Do we have any legal eagles out there who could confirm this?
Also, has anyone had any further news other than wpcs statement and a comment from someone else that Redwings are involved?
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Post by jinja on May 20, 2011 11:12:11 GMT
I thought the RSPCA were allowed to enter a propery without the owners permission. Only a couple of weeks ago I watched a programme on BBC1 Animal 24/7. The RSPCA entered a property beacuse of a complaint from neighbours about a dog in poor condition which was left in the back garden. There was no one home so they climbed over the fence into the garden and found this dog in a terrible state. I believe they then rang the police who broke into the house for them where they found dead budgies that had starved to death. So I think while they couldnt break into an actual house without the police they could enter fields/garden. I maybe wrong. What do others think ? Totally agree with the above I have watch Horse Patrol many times and it is the RSPCA who call the police to remove any animal that the owners will not sign over. I have heard it said many times that the law has changed and it is an offence to keep animals in unsatisfactory conditions.
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Post by honeypot on May 20, 2011 11:14:37 GMT
Unfortuately in England it is very unlikely that the police would prosicute someone so the other alternative is a private prosicution which is costly, and how much damages if you won would hardly pay the barristers fees.
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Post by cronkmooar on May 20, 2011 11:18:25 GMT
This thread is getting a bit long now to trawl back and know who was asking for what! but some one did ask for photographic evidence on ponies at the stud I am sure.
If you go onto the stud website in the for sale section and click on the photos for young stock there are two grey mares - when you click it enlarges the photos and it shows clearly the protruding hips of the mares.
on the picture of the stallion if you click on that and blow it up you can see the chestnut mare has a boney bum.
I can only presume that the photos that have been put on the website are the stock that looks the best!
I will try and copy these off just in case this thread is being watched and they misteriously disappear!
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Post by droopydraws on May 20, 2011 11:21:51 GMT
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Post by jinja on May 20, 2011 11:27:23 GMT
Unfortuately in England it is very unlikely that the police would prosicute someone so the other alternative is a private prosicution which is costly, and how much damages if you won would hardly pay the barristers fees. The police don't prosecute the RSPCA do and of course they will win and they can claim back all costs and if this man has assetts he would be made to pay. My only concern is teh ponies that are still in his care are removed. I am sure that that many would contribute to the costs of rehoming these animals.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 11:28:25 GMT
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 11:34:58 GMT
atj - just to clarify - RSPCA cannot enter but a vet with a welfare officer can enter property with out warrant? Does the welfare officer have to be RSPCA or can it be someone from WHW or Redwings?
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 11:37:34 GMT
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 11:40:37 GMT
As for high profile celebs - I personally think Martin Clunes could be our man for the job - however he does not take the reins till 1st June but I did ask Lee Hackett to send a copy of my email to Mr Clunes. My concern atm is that we are nearly a week after the sale and ponies are still with ELE.
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Post by honeypot on May 20, 2011 11:40:38 GMT
''The police don't prosecute the RSPCA do and of course they will win and they can claim back all costs and if this man has assetts he would be made to pay. '' www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-433402.html Yes that is true but you have to get the RSPCA do first do this and the evidence has to stand up in court. The auctioneers vet passed these fit for sale, that would be the first hurdle. and these cases that months and as in Spindles farm the ban may only apply to one person so they just continue through a proxy.
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Post by CarolineNelson on May 20, 2011 11:50:37 GMT
I understood from DEFRA that the Welfare Officer had to be from DEFRA or similar I dont know what similar Gov bodies they have in Wales. I also understood that a vet has to accompany the RSPCA but must be Independent,. The RSPCA must have vets that they can call on in emergency Trading Standards Wales has a website. This might also be a good port of call for potentially unfortunate purchasers such as Merlod, if you can trace the DNA to be incorrect. Or, hopefully, correct!
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Post by bowditchblobs on May 20, 2011 12:14:40 GMT
The rspca are a total utter and complete waste of space they are "investigating" some dopey gypsy for trying to take his very fit healthy looking sec a on to a train [daft i know but thats not the point] but they wont investigate this stud? Words fail me to be honest they are total s***!!!
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Post by pattendown on May 20, 2011 12:16:56 GMT
supes i agree with you whole heartedly ,i have never seen this mans yard or his stock in the flesh but his reputation has proceeded him down here in kent ,and if people go on fb and see the state of these ponies they would agree ,and anyone that supports this man must be the same imoa
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Post by pattendown on May 20, 2011 12:18:37 GMT
just to add maybe someone should send all this info to the queen as she is the patron of the wpcs ,and then take back his hounery life time membership
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Post by pippard on May 20, 2011 12:27:15 GMT
I have spoke to Defra's Animal Welfare team in London and this is the reply: Our standing advice where there is concern regarding animals’ welfare is for this to be reported to the local trading standards office and/or the local AHVLA office. Here is a link to the AHVLA site and you can find the local office via postcode: animalhealth.defra.gov.uk/index.htmThe Office to deal with this is: North Wales Animal Health Regional Office Crown Buildings Penrallt Caernarfon Gwynedd Wales LL55 1EP Email: ah.northwales@animalhealth.gsi.gov.uk I have been told on the grapevine that they are investigating but will probably not be able to make any comment at this stage. It would be nice if someone could get them to make a statement confirming this.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 12:33:12 GMT
Listening to Radio Wales now - they are talking about the rape debate and infidelity next so I may have missed it if they have spoken about Criccieth - anyone heard it? Furball I couldn't agree more - if we're relying on the RSPCA than I'm afraid we may have a bigger problem I'll email Watchdog again - did it yesterday
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 12:33:35 GMT
furball - taking the pony on the train obviously gained more tv coverage and that's what the rspca is all about now!
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Post by twofatladies88 on May 20, 2011 12:34:43 GMT
Anyone know which section of Watchdog I go on please?
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Post by sjp on May 20, 2011 12:44:02 GMT
Does anyone know how many Criccieth yearlings were entered at the Spring Sale?
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Post by Milliesmum on May 20, 2011 12:44:34 GMT
Proceution is of no interest to me it is the removal and welfare of the ponies in his custody at present which is paramount. I agree but if he is prosecuted he can be prevented from keeping equines in the future. The 'making him pay' side of it is neither here nor there, but I'd hate to think of him starting up again somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2011 12:44:50 GMT
It's on the main website - click on 'your story' x
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Post by carriad on May 20, 2011 12:44:52 GMT
I THINK WE SHOULD DO A MARCH OUTSIDE WPCS AND A PROTEST AT THEIR MAIN OFFICE
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Post by Milliesmum on May 20, 2011 12:45:48 GMT
As for high profile celebs - I personally think Martin Clunes could be our man for the job - however he does not take the reins till 1st June but I did ask Lee Hackett to send a copy of my email to Mr Clunes. My concern atm is that we are nearly a week after the sale and ponies are still with ELE. Martin clunes is also a patron of the Born Free Foundation, I emailed them this morning with the link to the facebook campaign.
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 12:47:32 GMT
Ref prosecution - you can't seize animals without opening a case for animal cruelty - once the case is opened it goes to the bodies which decide with an appropriate sentence and fine thus yes prosecution (end result) is necessary to get the animals out of his control
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Post by pippard on May 20, 2011 12:52:08 GMT
It is not the WPCS you need to demonstate outside they do not have the power to act but Trading Standards and the RSPCA who do have the power.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 12:55:41 GMT
This is my first post in this thread. That is due to being on holiday with very little Internet access Now that I am able to get on the site with a PC (rather than an I pod player) I would like to make a few comments. First and foremost like everyone else who has any love or compassion for animals I find the condition of the ponies in the pictures totally unacceptable. Like most people I would like to see these poor animals relieved from their suffering and miserable existence. Be that by being re-homed, or as a last resort PTS. I applaud all on here (and elsewhere) who are trying to make a difference. I also believe that we must strive to prevent this from happening in the future. BUTFor the sake of all PLEASE make sure you report the facts. Don’t cast aspersions, this will not help our cause. Please make sure that what you post is what you are willing to stand by in your OWN NAME not just a user name. I would like to see an end to these heinous acts of cruelty and neglect as much as the next person, but we, (the mods) must also be seen to protect people where ever possible (and when reported to us) from being named without conclusive evidence. Bear in mind what I have said above and “Keep up the good fight”
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Post by poneydestiny on May 20, 2011 13:06:07 GMT
uh..Mr Court we are not talking about just this sale for starters...time for him to step down from Brightwell's
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