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Post by StephWheway on Oct 18, 2012 9:19:44 GMT
well, NPS have done it again, changed the ruling without asking any members!! RIHS 2013 Qualifiers will run the same as HOYS Qualifiers with 4 height sections! "As far as they know" the jump heights will be the same as HOYS as well......
This is from a call I made to NPS this morning to confirm!
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Post by tabbycat on Oct 18, 2012 9:29:52 GMT
Well thats good to know I don't think they really could have done anything else !!! you can hardly expect them to go against Hoys that would just be silly most people I have spoken to are in favour great for the younger kids on smaller ponies .
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Post by tink on Oct 18, 2012 9:57:04 GMT
What about the qualifiers that have already taken place?
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Post by jump4joy on Oct 18, 2012 12:36:51 GMT
All three height winners in the plaited workers were M & M's too i believe??... but feel that NPS should have sent out a consultation letter to all it's members first...we can't do anything about HOYS as they are a law unto themselves but NPS are a board of trustee's so to speak and are representing a paid for membership
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Post by chloesmum on Oct 18, 2012 16:59:52 GMT
Well the flat classes at RIHS are different to HOYS so not sure that that reasoning holds up! Wish RIHS would bring the flat M&M classes iin line as well but guess it would mean too many classes.
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Post by ffionbelle on Oct 18, 2012 17:25:35 GMT
I agree with that chloesmum!!!
However whatever the out come surely as members we should be consulted on changes?!
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Post by ffionbelle on Oct 18, 2012 17:28:11 GMT
122cm have been small this year? to make it 2foot is just daft..but there will be pros and cons for everyone.
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Post by bbanks on Oct 18, 2012 17:38:50 GMT
I cant help but think the NPS have done this to stay in line with HOYS and save a huge amount of confusion to the whp competitors having to juggle sections. However the heights for the smaller sections need to be much bigger otherwise it will be a show pony class, the elite ponies are capable of jumping an elite course!
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Post by serendipity on Oct 20, 2012 11:29:29 GMT
You have only to read "Talking Point" in last week's Horse and Hound - the course builder is already struggling to build a course to get the right number of clears without introducing tricks. The standard has risen considerably in recent years and its time to put courses up not down or at least leave the smalls as they are.
These classes - RI and HOYS should be for those riders and ponies who are at the top of the tree. Not dummed down to open it up to ponies that are not really up to it or young children who are not yet ready for this level. This year's 122 class result at HOYS showed that really talented small children and very small ponies can easily cope as it is.
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Post by bigmama on Oct 20, 2012 12:59:46 GMT
I am glad that RIHS heights now in line with Hoys heights BUT i do think that the not exc 122cms jumps are too low .... and that there is still a class missing ie, not exc 112cms for shetlands and small a's
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 13:13:00 GMT
I loved that comment a shetland with a ferrari engine, really made me smile!
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Post by dizzeerascal on Oct 20, 2012 13:41:45 GMT
Am I right in thinking there are now 6 ponies through to rihs in the 143cm section from the qualifiers already run (grange bobbing surf, smoking gun, lowhouses monarch, synod rodrigo, gwyllam Rooney & bruckless euro) and none in the 133cm section or the over 143cm section?  I wonder if nps will do anything to reallocate the qualifiers for the additional sections or will they just have less ponies at the final? |
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Post by fawsleyfilly on Oct 20, 2012 14:43:21 GMT
think we would be interested in the answer to that one as we were 2nd to Lowhouses monarch at Bucks county, and think Stef wheway was 2nd to G.Bobby surf at Newbury both in large heights.
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Post by samd on Oct 20, 2012 14:53:13 GMT
I would be interested in the answer to that too as we were second at newbury and highest placed 133cm and I think we wete the highest places 133cm at Romsey too
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Post by lecfec on Oct 20, 2012 16:04:58 GMT
Does anyone know whether the Novice, Open & Junior M&M workers are being altered. If not then the Open class under 122cm could have higher jumps than a 122 cm RI qualifier along the with smallest height Junior class?
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Post by forester on Oct 20, 2012 19:20:18 GMT
and now no water splashes either
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Post by bigmama on Oct 20, 2012 19:33:20 GMT
have they taken the water splashes out now at both qualifiers and final, forester? where did you see/hear this (very little info on nps website re. change .. i had to ring them to ask about jump heights t'other day)
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Post by ilovenatives on Oct 20, 2012 19:56:27 GMT
As we have a 40 inch shetland who enjoys jumping im pleased that the heights are coming down a bit . I know Carmilo magician can jump the heights but there isnt many shetlands that can manage it . I think the idea of another section not exceding 112cm for shetties and small As is the best idea though as the jumps will be to small for a full up pony otherwise .
Im not up on worker heights what is the height of not exceding 122 cm section at the mo ?
Our pony and jockey no where near qualifier level at the mo , maybe by the time they are ready they might have bought in the smaller jumps for shetties and small As even if they were still judged together .
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Post by ilovenatives on Oct 20, 2012 19:59:32 GMT
Hope they havnt taken out the water splash thats one thing we dont have a problem with
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Post by forester on Oct 21, 2012 1:36:32 GMT
have they taken the water splashes out now at both qualifiers and final, forester? where did you see/hear this (very little info on nps website re. change .. i had to ring them to ask about jump heights t'other day) bigmama see nps 13 post on forthcoming events, someone asked if there was a water splash and she was answered with a no as nos have now removed them? i too hope they havent, i will be sending them an email first thing monday  |
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Post by shoestring on Oct 21, 2012 7:40:36 GMT
I have been told water trays are out, and they are not realocating the qualifiers for the two shows already held. The new ruling was not meant to start until next year but this was the only show NPS 13 could fit the qualifiers in ??
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Post by beauty2004 on Oct 21, 2012 7:47:50 GMT
So what height will the 122's jump next year. We thought this years courses were small.
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Post by bigmama on Oct 21, 2012 10:54:11 GMT
I have been told water trays are out, and they are not realocating the qualifiers for the two shows already held. The new ruling was not meant to start until next year but this was the only show NPS 13 could fit the qualifiers in ?? call to nps last week by my daughter .. she was told there will be water trays flippin well hope so, there is no reason not to have em .. they've been in workers for donkeys years |
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Post by pipandwill on Oct 21, 2012 14:00:41 GMT
I think it has its for and against's.
It probably wont benefit us as we have a small D that used to jump the over 138 section, but im not sure what he'll measure-whether he'll do the 133-143 or the over 143 class. I would like him to do the bigger class as the 133-143 will have Section B's, Section C's, connermara's, Highlands, Dales, Fells, and small D's. Every judge will have a preference, and too have so many different types in one height division will not only be harder to judge but will inevitably be a huge class.
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Post by serendipity on Oct 21, 2012 14:09:11 GMT
Yes pipandwill - tht's a good point - The "middles" has always been by far the biggest section and I was hoping that at least this would make it a little fairer with a better distribution of numbers but perhaps you are right - it might even be worse!!
With regards to water splashes and water trays - splashes are out trays (for jmping over) of course or still in.
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Post by activerider on Oct 21, 2012 19:56:03 GMT
Hope splashes are not out they were a good way of reducing clears
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Post by forester on Oct 21, 2012 20:18:45 GMT
after speaking with a few judges at nps 25 they too think the water splashes should stay, as the majority that get to RI get eliminated at the splash qualifed at a show that didnt have one,so that answers the question itself
nps dont make the workers a show class!!!!!!
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Post by dizzeerascal on Oct 21, 2012 21:37:02 GMT
Serendipity I just had a quick look at the hoys start list this year at least 4 of the large section will now be in the 143 section (fairlies red flare, grange bobbing surf, silver foxtrot & haughmond midnite sterling) there may be more but those are the ones I definitely know of so yes it does look like the 143 section is going to be harder than ever!!!! At least the overs might be a bit easier as there are some good ponies that have dropped out of that section!!! Every cloud and all that  |
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Post by samd on Oct 22, 2012 15:32:07 GMT
I emailed the office today about the qualifiers that have already taken place. I mentioned that six 143's had qualified and thst at it appears that no 133's or over 143's had qualified. I asked if they would put on extra qualifiers or pass existing qualification places to those height ponies that were lower placed in the qualifiers. They said they would put it to the competition comittee so maybe if more people contact them about this something may be done.
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Post by titch on Oct 22, 2012 15:41:56 GMT
Will this affect the nps open workers height or will they still be the three different sections??
If they don't it seems funny that a hoys will be smaller for a 133.
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I wonder if nps will do anything to reallocate the qualifiers for the additional sections or will they just have less ponies at the final? 
