Hmmmm

[Sharan]

I have lots of ponies, mostly home bred. Would be interested in swaping for, things that don't eat.

Trailer, would love a 510XL or 610
Lorry, no living required, prefer light weight 5 pony up to 7.5t
Towable water bowser.

Light weight coloured mare over 15.2hh prefer PBA, must be papered.
Heavy weight coloured mare over 15.2hh prefer at least some breeding.
Few spot mare over 15.2hh must be fully papered, either Appaloosa or Knab.

No money but happy to swap several of mine for one of yours. Mares can be lame due to injury as required as brood mares.

horsegossip.proboards54.com/index.cgi?board=sale&action=display&thread=14950

horsegossip.proboards54.com/index.cgi?board=sale&action=display&thread=14948

If you have something drop me a line, you never know. Other things considered?

[halfpass]

I'm replying to this as a member not as a mod.
Using animals as a commodity to be bartered for or swapped for machinery I find distastefully, if you have to many and no money why are you wanting more mares? Why not do the decent thing and not put your mare in foal in the first place.

[shocking]

can't believe this post, how can anyone be so heartless, to swap a pony for a towable water bowser!!

[Angelica Johnson.]

OMg how could you swap ponies for trailers and stuff thats just horrible

[iluvmyponies]

Nov 8, 2008 22:27:33 GMT Angelica Johnson. said:

OMg how could you swap ponies for trailers and stuff thats just horrible

DITTO THAT!!!

[lils]

whilst i totallyagree it appears rather short sighted to keep breeding, and asking for broodmares in swaps,
i can see the point in wanting a trailer, i have one of my babies for sale due to house move, and in these times, surely it is sensible to maybe make the most of what someone has no use for, and you a need for, there fore, there are certain items i would take as part ex either way, as ive previously wanted to buy items/ponies/hay etc, but have no money until ive sold such and such? but asking for broodmares back?!!!

[shelleyj]

gross

[pipspears]

dont understand why the upset?? money is a deciding factor in all our lives so if people need to get rid of stuf either by a swop, its up to them she hasnt stated she carnt afford what she has but she would like to aquire other items or horses who are we to judge what is a nice swop or not, how many people swop horses time after time at a dealers yard? dont be soooo judgemental u wouldnt like it

[Milliesmum]

Maybe I'm naieve, but the thing that jumped out at me wasn't the swapping animals bit, so much as the asking for more broodmares? Why would someone not want what they have already bred, but want to breed more? I just think, why not stick by the ones you have already instead of sending them off goodness knows where and then breeding more that might not be what you want either?

Personally I wouldn't breed anything if I couldn't be certain of giving it a secure future. Only my opinion though, yours might be different!

[pipspears]

maybe what they have bred is too related, or they want to breed anouther type, its up to them i guess but im sure we could all put our whinging heads together and coment on other things a little more deserving like cruelty i understand your point but we dont know the full story and its wrong to attack anouther member in this way,

[rosemary]

PIPSPEARS , i agree on what you said above i only asked" what info on foals could you get " it was for a friend, and i ended up having -11 karmas. we all look at things differently and should'nt be to quick to judge others

[pipspears]

thank you rosemary i thort it was me and i was missing somthing i guess people are just too quick in negative thorts, thank you, we are not all horse whisperes show producers breeders and experts we joined this site for fun and freindship, its quickly going to turn into a site to be afraid of, were going to wary of asking advice and for help incase others decide to atack us and say we are unfit, i dont know what is going on

[Milliesmum]

I'm not attacking anyone, just questioning as I genuinely couldn't see the logic behind it. And I did say people might have different opinions to mine.

[halfpass]

My argument is and has always been, if you can't sell the ponies you already have and have to resort to swapping them for machinery then why have more mares, you only have to look at the for sale threads to see how many are for sale to see that there is a over abundance of horses, surly as a responsible breeder why add to this problem, it is nothing to do with attacking peoples opinions or thoughts it is a pure observation and economic sense. I agree with you that this site is about having fun and making friends and I can say with hand on heart since becoming a member I have met some lovely people, but it is also about gaining knowledge voicing opinion and debating those opinions.

[Balvenie]

Have to agree with Halfpass. Why put exchange for 'things that dont eat' and then say you want more broodmares? Surely they eat??

[dipsey]

Providing Sharon sees the ponies go to a good home, What is the problem she needs to move some of her stock. If she wants another brood mare who are we to question her, no one knows her circumstances. If she breeds thats up to her,not for someone else to say what she should do,even if they have the ponies interest at heart, its her buisness,unless they know otherwise stop the nasty comments. Goodluck with swops Sharon.

[jennaclare]

I dont think theres nothing wrong with this topic and what shes doing. It would be the same as selling the ponies and using the money to buy the above.
Im sure she would see they were going to a good home! I think its a bit unfair everyone has kind of ganged up on her an ruined her topic

[Sharan]

Oh my, I do seem to have opened a big can of worms.

I would never knowingly allow my ponies to go to bad homes. Either by cash sale or swap.
I would much rather keep them than send them to sales and have them go to just anyone.
Anyone that knows me, knows my ponies are my life and I would rather go without myself, than see them in trouble.
I have taken in ponies in the past that were being abused and mistreated, not because I needed them but because I just couldn't leave them where they were.

Maybe I worded it badly.

I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone.
If you require me to remove this post then I will with no problems.

[dipsey]

Sharon you dont have to justifie what you are doing to anyone,I.m sure you look after your ponies very well and love them. I only hope the people who have been saying nasty things are as quick to apolagise to you as they were to judge you.

[Deleted]

i can't see what the fuss is about either, as someone already said if she sold them and used the money to buy something else there is no difference. someone said stop breeding if you can't sell them, at no point did her post say she couldn't sell them and was offering to swap them as a last resort.

you never know someone may be trying to sell a trailer to buy a small coloured pony.

i have never swapped a pony for anything BUT i did sell a horse and use the money to buy a car, would it really have been so terrible if the person who sold me the car was looking for a horse?

[cyflawn]

I personally dont see what all the upset is about. The owner of these ponies is just saying that if somebody could find a better use for one of the animals than her, and if somebody has something which will be of good use to herself then she would swap...it is only like swapping one pony for another which i am sure many of you would do if it was suitable for both parties...christ i am sure she wouldnt swap the pony for a trailer of somebody who was going to weigh the pony in for meat!!!...many of you would sell a horse to buy a trailer so if the person selling the trailer said they were looking for a horse exactly like your your telling me you wouldnt swap? if it was a good home? of course you would!!!!!

[rhyfeddol]

Ahh at last looks like cyflawns put it all into perspective. I seem to be reading "swap several for 1".

[cyflawn]

the post never actually says that she is over stocked and that is why she needs to sell them??? she may be selling them becuase maybe she cannot break/ride/compete them and feels they should go on and do some of these things?

[cyflawn]

doesnt imply she cannot afford to feed them it jsut implies rather than get anymore which she may not necceserily need she would rather have something which is of a little more use to her

[4emms]

OK - in with both feet!!

It appears from the initial post wording that there is a surplus of ponies and a shortage of ready cash. I can see that the young lady is looking to exchange using the old fashioned bartering system. This is something that has been going on for centuries.

However, I personally do feel it comes across as a little insensitive to imply that 'would prefer things that don't eat' and somewhat contradictory to then suggest new broodmares would be acceptable. Perhaps an opportunity to save up some ready cash or build some capital might be in order.
Probably wasn't intended to be received in this manner, but that is the wonder of written messages, you can't put the same intonation on.

[sticking up]

what is everyones problem? this person didn't say that they actually were short of money, but just no money as in, not spending money on broodmares

as for the people saying why swap something you've bred-
well maybe the ponies/horses aren't selling and the breeder wants to go down a different breeding line

anyway, if this person wants a water bowser rather than money to the same value how is this gross

[halfpass]

This thread has been very emotive as to the rights and wrongs of the thread, but I don't see many people offering to swap anything for any of the ponies

[smokeycott]

paps the mods should say only non living things for swaps.

[Guestless]

Nov 13, 2008 22:09:49 GMT smokeycott said:

paps the mods should say only non living things for swaps.

we can consider that, but there could be times when a swap of ponies would be a good thing, eg where you have a LR pony but are looking for a FR pony - someone else may have a young child coming up and be willing to swap.

[fayeandash]

i personally think this is a fantastic idea, especially with the credit crunch, people may want a pony but need to sell things such as trailers they no longer need, but can't sell - as nothing is selling at the minute, as long as the ponies go to good homes and both parties are happy with the swap i don't see the prolem.