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Post by There you go on Dec 27, 2006 0:57:38 GMT
21/12/06 CAPTAIN HASTINGS 030030FR FULL 160.50cm!  only 2.5 cm over. The thing is if he had gone in the rightful class (large RH) he would still have won as he took champion ;D so does this matter? |
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Post by rtk on Dec 27, 2006 5:15:13 GMT
I would think whoever came second might think so.
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Post by Another one on Dec 27, 2006 9:57:01 GMT
According to the JMB website so has Hamptonne Prince of Tides at 159.50.......another one bites the measuring dust...
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Post by hot choc on Dec 27, 2006 11:01:18 GMT
Apparently Captin Hastings will be measured back in next year - but that is so unfair, how can a horse 'shrink' over night???
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Post by uhhh on Dec 27, 2006 11:47:55 GMT
If a horse is allowed to have another go at being measured after 'going over', I cannot see the point of the HOYS champions being put under the stick- seems a monumental waste of time and money. Is D Boylans small hunter being given another bash at being measured? Surely it would only seem fair to allow that one another chance too........
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Post by hackety on Dec 27, 2006 16:46:33 GMT
I never thought either Captain Hastings or H P of Tides looked big in their class. I also don't think it would be a matter of putting them into the Large class as they are not of the type.
Also, I always thought that once a horse has been remeasured on it's life height then no further measurement would apply. For eg if you are objected to by people putting money down and your horse/pony measures in then it cannot be objected to ever again. Not sure how you could wangle getting a remeasurement if it was recorded as going over.
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Post by Molly on Dec 27, 2006 23:35:29 GMT
Did HPOT measure out? I hope not as its a very quality L SRT.
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 28, 2006 10:22:25 GMT
Apparently Captin Hastings will be measured back in next year - but that is so unfair, how can a horse 'shrink' over night??? I totally agree... a horse is either over hight or not... that kind of proceedure does lend itself to the smell of corruption! i'm not saying it is or anything of the sort, it just raises the eyebrow when a horse wins, then is stripped of the title for being over height, then measures in the year after... strange no?  |
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Post by hackety on Dec 28, 2006 16:48:58 GMT
When horses/ponies undergo re- measurement after winning or being champion at HOYS they are not stripped of their title it just means they are out of that class thereafter.
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Post by patterson on Dec 28, 2006 19:20:20 GMT
Pho3nix, Many horses are measured at the start of the season when they have been completely 'let down' with little condition, so come Hoys, at which in theory the horse should be at his most conditioned, horses are bound to vary a centimetre or two!
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Post by tj on Dec 28, 2006 20:00:07 GMT
Pho3nix, Many horses are measured at the start of the season when they have been completely 'let down' with little condition, so come Hoys, at which in theory the horse should be at his most conditioned, horses are bound to vary a centimetre or two! But these horses look like they have been measured recently (not long before January when most horses are measured ready for the next season). TBH I could accept maybe a centimetre or two, but 2.5cm is quite a bit over the height limit, and I'm sure all the hoys winners were well prepared for measuring. |
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Post by Betty on Dec 28, 2006 21:05:13 GMT
Anyone know what has happened to the Show Pony champion? Has it been sold to Australia or was that a hoax?
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Post by help please on Dec 29, 2006 10:12:22 GMT
I am going to have my horse measured shortly. He is very nervous and doesnt like the stick, although we are practising, am I allowed to give him any calmers.
He will measure 1inch bigger if he is not relaxed? Any other tricks to help him relax as his is on the nail and it would be a shame if he did not get in to his true height.
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Post by Nikki on Dec 29, 2006 10:55:18 GMT
RE show pony champion - I believe that someone posted on here that she had been sold back to her breeder
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Post by patterson on Dec 29, 2006 14:38:13 GMT
Help please; Most vets allow you, if area is avaliable, to lunge the horse when you get there. this takes away some of the excitment/tension of being somewhere new
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Post by hackety on Dec 29, 2006 16:22:35 GMT
The JMB have a hand book with all of the approved vets and rules regarding measuring. Not sure where mine is but I am certain that you are not allowed to give the horse anything that will show up on a dope test.
It obviously stops people giving bute to horses that have half of their feet removed and sedative to horses that will measure smaller when relaxed.
You will be fine with any calmer that does not contain banned substances.
The lungeing idea is a good one as well as working the horse at home till it is pooped before you go.
It sounds like you are already trying to dessensitise the horse to the stick. Work it around and over him as much and as often as you can. Walk up with it, show it, walk away, turn and go back, slide the thingy up and down, turn away, go back. Walk up, touch him with it, turn away. Keep doing these things twice a day, building up the nerves in him and then turning away, then going back. He will be relaxed and you will be dizzy ;D but it does help.
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Post by over weight turkey on Dec 29, 2006 22:44:16 GMT
I know of producers that have sold ponies for big cash then the new owners fail to get it measured in !. The producer takes it back and hey presto it shrinks ? the mind boggles if people have to resort to lunging the hell out of an animal or getting some idiot farrier to chop its feet down just for a red rosette. But come on some out there have life heights and are way way way over height so i say keep putting the sticks on them ween them out
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Post by Trick on Dec 30, 2006 0:13:22 GMT
Well do have the horses feet done either on the day or the day before, I took my lead rein to be measured last year, and I measured her easily at 11.3 h.h. at home, so I didnt bother having her feet done on the day, think there was only 10 days growth on them and the vet couldnt get her measured in at 122 cm for love nor money (not that I offered the vet love or money) in the end the vet shaved some off her feet and she went in at full up 122cm, needless to say, I've learned my lesson, and yes every little does help!
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Post by help please on Dec 30, 2006 11:15:45 GMT
Thanks for all your comments they are most helpful.
Overweight my pony is definately under I know that for a fact, but he is a bit nervous and has plenty of sparkle and the look at me factor which is why I like him.
I would not dream of laming him by cutting his feet back or whatever, but I feel he should be given the best chance to stay in the class he was bred for.
As for measuring at a show I do not agree with that as mine would be tense and measure out mainly because he wouldnt relax, but he would measure in at home.
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Post by whacker on Dec 30, 2006 17:33:55 GMT
Hamptonne Prince of Tides was also 2nd in the small riding horse at HOYS - that means two horses denied final placings, and probably two horses denied the chance of competing at HOYS! Its definitely time to step up the random measuring throughout the year and to disqualify overheight horses and promote those under them. Come on societies - act before you destroy the game!
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Post by yorkshire lass on Dec 31, 2006 16:33:35 GMT
Hamptonne Prince of Tides was also 2nd in the small riding horse at HOYS - that means two horses denied final placings, and probably two horses denied the chance of competing at HOYS! Its definitely time to step up the random measuring throughout the year and to disqualify overheight horses and promote those under them. Come on societies - act before you destroy the game! here here....the best words i have heard on here for a long time...... |
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Post by veryold on Dec 31, 2006 16:46:44 GMT
This might be a bit controversial but I can't understand why horses can't be measured under sedation. It would have to be done by the vet and the horse wouldn't be any smaller than his skeleton allows. Sedation won't make the horses bone structure any smaller, but it might save these horses being lunged for hours etc and would be better for their welfare.
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Post by Anneka on Dec 31, 2006 16:58:56 GMT
Laser measuring is on its way. This will take place at shows. The FEI are trrialling it in the Netherlands from tomorrow. The laser is said to measure the skeletal height. It will be quick, efficient and there will be no room for cheating of anysort. Should this method be introduced worldwide it will be available at all FEI shows - Windsor, Hickstead, RIHS, HOYS, Olympia.
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Post by mrs broome on Jan 1, 2007 15:29:15 GMT
Laser measuring is on its way. This will take place at shows. The FEI are trrialling it in the Netherlands from tomorrow. The laser is said to measure the skeletal height. It will be quick, efficient and there will be no room for cheating of anysort. Should this method be introduced worldwide it will be available at all FEI shows - Windsor, Hickstead, RIHS, HOYS, Olympia. anneka who  please where did you get your info from. thanks.. |
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Post by TBW on Jan 1, 2007 18:44:49 GMT
Large 153cm to be launched in the south 07. Could make a IHT if it measures  |
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Post by whats that on Jan 1, 2007 18:54:40 GMT
Large 153cm to be launched in the south 07. Could make a IHT if it measures Do you mean a 153cm SHP which looks bigger than an ISHT? Any clues? I have a new 153cm SHP who is not full up and am worried about him looking like he has wandered into the wrong class!! |
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Post by pony on Jan 1, 2007 19:15:10 GMT
This might be a bit controversial but I can't understand why horses can't be measured under sedation. It would have to be done by the vet and the horse wouldn't be any smaller than his skeleton allows. Sedation won't make the horses bone structure any smaller, but it might save these horses being lunged for hours etc and would be better for their welfare. I am wondering that, taking my pony for his life in a few weeks luckily I know he is not going to be over as he is 143/144 and a SP so it doesnt really matter but he 'grows' a lot when taken out anywhere in the lorry and gets very on his toes and he is quite a flighty pony anyway - saying that tho as soon as you get on at a show he settles straight away. I think I will be having him on nupafeed the week before and giving him two boosters on the day and probably giving him a good lunge or hack before we go, it is such a hassle tho! |
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Post by hackety on Jan 1, 2007 22:54:49 GMT
I don't deny that we do see animals that are overheight winning classes. What I do feel is that for the most part they do not win because they are big, they win because they are the best. If you put in the argument that they win because the judging is facey then that is also negated as then they would surely win if they were underheight.
My case in point is Captain Hastings and Hamptonne P of T being measured out of Small Riding Horses. Both of these horses are beautiful examples of their type and are produced to perfection. Under a judge who likes their particular type, they would win even if they were 15.1hh.
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Post by girlsallowed on Jan 1, 2007 23:30:16 GMT
Couldn't agree more Hackety, having looked through 262 piccs of HOYS, the only horse that took my fancy in the Small RH (Going on piccs only ), was Captian Hastings! He was in a league of his own |
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Post by tj on Jan 2, 2007 0:09:09 GMT
But if they are overheight, then they are not in the correct class, whether they be exceptional types or not.
The majority of us abide by the rules - is it ok for some horses to be overheight because they're so good?
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only 2.5 cm over. The thing is if he had gone in the rightful class (large RH) he would still have won as he took champion ;D so does this matter? 
please where did you get your info from. thanks..