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Post by veryold on Jan 2, 2007 9:43:42 GMT
The trouble is that the judges almost certainly cause some of the problems by preferring a horse at the top of the height range over a smaller one. I queried this with Robert Oliver once at a showing demo and he said he would always place the bigger horse over the smaller one if they were equally good. Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to ask the next question which was "why?". What is the point of a height range for a class if the judges go for the larger animals all the time.
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Post by viking on Jan 2, 2007 11:36:15 GMT
Good point veryold. Folks then start to breed them to the top of the height and pony characteristics in particular start to be lost. Horse heads with horse lugs.
Wish you'd have got a chance to ask the second part of your question.
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Post by Come On on Jan 3, 2007 11:58:58 GMT
Come on surely we are missing the point here. A true to type small riding horse by the very definition laid down by the society is a horse not to exceed 158 cms. Therefore CH and HPOT no matter how beautiful are not "true to type" small riding horses. They are lovely over height small riding horses. But are not true to type, as true to type does not exceed 158 cms.
I have to say I think the measuring of HOYs winners / champions is a bit of a farce. These animals have life height certificates which are then void by the fact they measure over, so what are we saying, life height certificates don't mean a thing. Personally I think all qualifiers should be measured within 3 months of qualifying. This is the only way to stop so many large / up to / over height animals competing, which in turn then starts the vicious circle of everyone searching for an up to height animal.
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Post by not always on Jan 3, 2007 13:04:37 GMT
I am sorry come on i think you are wrong, a type of pony or horse is that, a type. Height restrictions can cause problems in some cases, I have 2 riding horses they are both diffrent stamps of a horse there is not a lot of height diffrence 1" they both would not be top class in any other class if either of mine measured out they would have to do something else rather than show. I do not agree with horses that are way over height being in classes but i thimk the type is paramount to the standards we expect. I am home produced and both mine have life height cert i would never imagine they would measure out. Captain Hastings looks up to height but HPT looks fine to me, were would he go if his measurement stands very sad in my opinion he doesnt look as big as the large riding type Opium he once got measured out and got back in now there is a fantastic animal that has got to be over height it towers above some of the others
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Post by Nearly True to Type on Jan 3, 2007 13:44:35 GMT
I have a cracking small hunter, totally true to type, not a LW or MW hunter but a true small. He's 16'1. Therefore he isn't a true small as a true small would measure in, I've accepted he is over height and therefore he now does another job. If he was true to type he would be entered in the small hunter classes.
Sorry agree with "come on". If we are not careful height will rule type.
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Post by opium fan on Jan 3, 2007 13:58:04 GMT
[quote author=not always board=general thread=1167181058 post=1167829477. Captain Hastings looks up to height but HPT looks fine to me, were would he go if his measurement stands very sad in my opinion he doesnt look as big as the large riding type Opium he once got measured out and got back in now there is a fantastic animal that has got to be over height it towers above some of the others [/quote] Yes opium did look big ...but think alot of that was her presence ...what a fab animal . Unfortunately they lost her just before christmas ...
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Post by clipornot on Jan 3, 2007 15:06:54 GMT
I'm so sorry, did you say opium had died? ?
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Post by clobo121082 on Jan 3, 2007 15:14:05 GMT
Yes i believe she has. How sad she was definately one of the best intermediates to have ever been in the ring and shame she never had any foals. What a stunning animal x
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Post by ferret on Jan 3, 2007 15:47:54 GMT
i have heard this sad news too ...poor Adam i bet he is devastated . Definately a horse of a lifetime .
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Post by clobo121082 on Jan 3, 2007 16:04:13 GMT
I have seen her sister he has for next year she is stunning and will hopefully do as well for him as poppy did. Good luck adam hope she made as many dreams come true for you as poppy did. x
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Post by ferret on Jan 3, 2007 16:07:10 GMT
Her sister ?? i wonder how he found that one ? Is she the same type ? ISRT ?
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Post by guest2007 on Jan 3, 2007 17:28:51 GMT
He sold the sister just before he lost poppy
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Post by sad on Jan 3, 2007 17:37:28 GMT
What happened to Poppy? Such a sad, sad loss particularly as she would have produced some lovely stock
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Post by not always on Jan 3, 2007 19:03:14 GMT
How tragic about Opium it was truly the best large in the country and she will be missed
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Post by poppy fan on Jan 3, 2007 20:05:27 GMT
Yes she's a large ISRT but a bit more of a Hack type to Poppy.
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Post by mentalhead on Jan 3, 2007 20:23:02 GMT
poppy did not have a sister, i know cos i know the original owner before adam and the halliwells. Terrible loss of the best moving animal I have ever seen....poppy will be a hard act to follow
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Post by mee on Jan 3, 2007 22:00:35 GMT
Well actually its by the same stallion.
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Post by mentalhead on Jan 3, 2007 22:08:59 GMT
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Post by mee on Jan 3, 2007 22:32:05 GMT
Rakaposhi King.Why are you so suspicious?Do you not believe us or something,weve seen this horse at a show it really does exist.
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Post by mentalhead on Jan 3, 2007 22:36:01 GMT
wrong...... not suspicious just in the know...
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Post by mee on Jan 3, 2007 22:40:21 GMT
Whats wrong?the stallion? The thing is I am "in the know" too. I feel all special, like were in some secret club or something. LOL.
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Post by Molly on Jan 3, 2007 22:51:20 GMT
What tragic news She was by far the best intermediate in the country. It was only the other day I was replaying the HOYS DVD back & watching her go down the center line...god she didn't half move. R.I.P Poppy.X
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Post by poppy person on Jan 4, 2007 10:35:23 GMT
Whats wrong?the stallion? quote] The stallion was not as said above i also knew poppy before adam and halliwells ....think she had a full brother but not a full sister , the original papers were not passed on i dont think . She definately will be hard act to follow ....well done to Adam for all his success with her ....
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Post by mee on Jan 4, 2007 15:41:34 GMT
What are you saying? Poppy isnt by Rakaposhi King or the other horse? And no it isnt a full sister its out of a TB mare.
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Post by poppy person on Jan 5, 2007 12:41:09 GMT
poppy was by Nickel King . But it doesnt really matter what her breeding was cos poor adam has lost a fab horse , hope he finds another one just as stunning
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Post by mee on Jan 5, 2007 13:39:59 GMT
Oh, because Adam told me she was by Racaposhi King and it has him down as her sire in catalogues.
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Post by back on Track on Jan 5, 2007 13:44:11 GMT
Really sad to hear about the loss of any horse or pony. however this thread seems to have gone off track. Can we open another thread to discuss the sad loss and who was the sire please, and lewave this one to the debate of HOYS measurements. Many Thanks LOL
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Post by Just Seen on Jan 18, 2007 12:00:06 GMT
JMB website- Alpine Diplomat...160.5cm
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Post by avie on Jan 18, 2007 12:03:00 GMT
article in todays H & H about it.
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Post by Reader on Jan 18, 2007 12:10:25 GMT
Please can you tell me what the article says - As yet I haven't got H & H!
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