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Post by titch on Nov 21, 2013 8:55:26 GMT
I think its bloody awful that non plaiteds are discriminated against when at welsh medal.shows they don't have to be plaited up. Come on hoys don't think this was thought through properly!
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Post by LMSmith on Nov 24, 2013 21:16:12 GMT
I can understand why those on traditional natives think its unfair however there is no age limit for the coloureds so you can keep competing the coloured hoys class. Those like me who have a 14.2sp but are over 5 years to old for the sp class had no hoys class to enter until this new class has been brought in.
Also it is a very difficult class to judge when all part breds are allowed in the ring. I entered a part bred class at equifest and the judge was a well known traditional lover, therefore a large percentage of the top line up were coloured traditionals. Not that this is wrong but you can't really judge a true traddy against a pba for example?
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Post by gillwales on Nov 24, 2013 21:38:32 GMT
quite annoyed its only for plaiteds Why? This is the standard turnout for a PBA. Personally I think a horse or pony should only be allowed to qualify for 1 class at HOYS. |
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Post by titch on Nov 24, 2013 23:19:11 GMT
Pb welsh are included they don't have to be plaited.
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Post by gillwales on Nov 25, 2013 6:31:09 GMT
PBW have always been plaited too.
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 25, 2013 8:32:13 GMT
I went champion pb at equifest why should a pbw b plaited?? My boy is 50% welsh but is not aloud to compete in a pbw I no there r pbw natives not coloured that have no class to do! And wat about the pba arabs that are like 90% that look better left natural than plait up but there still pba??
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 25, 2013 8:45:52 GMT
I can understand why those on traditional natives think its unfair however there is no age limit for the coloureds so you can keep competing the coloured hoys class. Those like me who have a 14.2sp but are over 5 years to old for the sp class had no hoys class to enter until this new class has been brought in. Also it is a very difficult class to judge when all part breds are allowed in the ring. I entered a part bred class at equifest and the judge was a well known traditional lover, therefore a large percentage of the top line up were coloured traditionals. Not that this is wrong but you can't really judge a true traddy against a pba for example? And to add to that I was in that class to and I no for a fact the confo judge disliked hairys and only 2 made the final 10. And if you no the judge is a coloured fan u must expect a result like that. But if we are on abo it the same judge they used to ride hacks beforehand |
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Post by gillwales on Nov 25, 2013 17:53:13 GMT
sorry bleanwoodro, I could not understand all of the posts you have written.
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 25, 2013 18:21:32 GMT
It's ok I've been up since 3am at work, how come PBw have to be plaited mine isn't and he went champion equifest pb champion I just feel all PBS plaited and un plaited should be aloud to do this class not just plaited ponies, xx
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Post by titch on Nov 26, 2013 15:44:32 GMT
PBW have always been plaited too. I emailed the wpcs and their reply was a part bred should be turned out accordingly to type and that native types did not have to be plaited. This is from robert jones wpcs. |
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Post by polroger on Nov 26, 2013 18:01:20 GMT
PBW have always been plaited too. I emailed the wpcs and their reply was a part bred should be turned out accordingly to type and that native types did not have to be plaited. This is from robert jones wpcs. And that is absolutely correct. Over the past few years different types have been coming forward and that is only for the good. We keep plaited ponies, but I am more than happy to see the more native/trad types coming forward as there are some really good examples out there, and they give the show ponies a run for their money. To keep the criteria for this class so narrow is in my mind a totally missed opportunity. It will just be full of 128, 138 and 148 show ponies, with perhaps the odd hunter pony looking out of place wearing a jazzy browband. Very disappointing really. |
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 26, 2013 18:27:37 GMT
Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted this is my boy 50% welsh c and he can't do it and in this pic this was him goin champion pb at equifest I agree with posts above at equifest we all compete together and no uproar why do hoys have to be different we need to celebrate all pb welsh and pb Arabs!! Xx
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Post by LMSmith on Nov 26, 2013 20:25:29 GMT
I dont see what all the fuss is about? You still have a HOYS class you can qualify for so why are you so set on the part bred class?
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Post by paddy123 on Nov 26, 2013 20:57:50 GMT
I dont see what all the fuss is about? You still have a HOYS class you can qualify for so why are you so set on the part bred class? Unfortunately the coloureds are entirely dominated by producers, but this probably will be too. nearly everyone has more than one class though, 14.2s can do int srt etc |
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 26, 2013 21:04:56 GMT
I do have a hoys class yes but with over 30 in each qual every time it's very to get that golden ticket, and it's not just me that's not happy there are some solid PBw natives that have no class to do. And the PBa have royal international to shame ri can't do a PBw one xx
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Post by LMSmith on Nov 26, 2013 22:10:00 GMT
I dont see what all the fuss is about? You still have a HOYS class you can qualify for so why are you so set on the part bred class? Unfortunately the coloureds are entirely dominated by producers, but this probably will be too. nearly everyone has more than one class though, 14.2s can do int srt etc My 14.2sp is only 14hh so not eligible for intermediates unfortunately  All HOYS quals will be dominated by professionals, this is just the way the showing world works? This class did not even exist last year so I don't see why everyone is so annoyed that it is only for plaiteds? If you want to do the class buy a plaited? |
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 27, 2013 6:39:11 GMT
But why should I wen my pony is a pbw its the point of its saying its for pbw and pba but there cutting out a large section people are also annoyed as there not able to show to type.and I do have a plaited hunter bit I wouldnt put him in a pretty band cuz he will lool ridiculous!
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Post by polroger on Nov 27, 2013 8:46:12 GMT
If you want to do the class buy a plaited?
What a ridiculous comment!
The class criteria has been ill thought out and excluded animals who should be eligible by breeding, just because they are of a different type.
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Post by girly on Nov 27, 2013 9:28:30 GMT
I do not understand why it is restricted only to Arab/ welsh ponies. It does seem to be very restricted.
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Post by ferrarichick on Nov 27, 2013 9:48:00 GMT
Has anyone written to HOYS to suggest a change in rules to allow the native type part breds?
It is the first year of running so possibly open to development in time but they will only do it if they feel there is a need/want to head in that direction?
I'm just sad that it is only one class for ponies - surely they should have 2 classes for under 14.2s and over 14.2s. Hopefully this will happen in years to come.
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Post by december1 on Nov 27, 2013 10:39:52 GMT
Let's give this class a chance - everything has to start somewhere, and if successful, hopefully it will be expanded. If you have read the rules concerning the class, they are not to be judged on type or show too much of their heritage. We are all hoping that the over 148cm will be included the following year. Think positive!
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 27, 2013 11:02:08 GMT
I rung them last week and tes I do understand its the 1st year maybe should read pbw pba plaited piny class.I do hope they expand it as its so limited its silly
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Post by shelliewilson on Nov 27, 2013 11:37:16 GMT
Please please please can we have a nursery stakes. Ohhhhh yes plzzzzz can we that would be fab Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by LMSmith on Nov 27, 2013 13:57:45 GMT
If you want to do the class buy a plaited? What a ridiculous comment! The class criteria has been ill thought out and excluded animals who should be eligible by breeding, just because they are of a different type. It's not really a ridiculous comment? Lots of people buy ponies for a particular class they want to compete in. I'm sure those people who bought traditional coloureds bought them to do the traditional coloured classes? |
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Post by titch on Nov 27, 2013 16:58:00 GMT
Why make it fancy browbands? There are some lovely hunter pony types. I think having pbw and pba in the same class is a little strange.
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Post by polroger on Nov 27, 2013 17:41:05 GMT
If you want to do the class buy a plaited? What a ridiculous comment! The class criteria has been ill thought out and excluded animals who should be eligible by breeding, just because they are of a different type. It's not really a ridiculous comment? Lots of people buy ponies for a particular class they want to compete in. I'm sure those people who bought traditional coloureds bought them to do the traditional coloured classes? As a lot of the ponies (of all types not just the hairy coloured, the hairy flat coloured type also are PBW), and are eligible to enter part-bred classes everywhere else it is ridiculous to suggest they should get a plaited if they just want to do this class. And if they aren't to show any particular characteristics of the breeding, what the hell is the point? Its like holding a hack class, and saying it needed be a show hack, but if you go hacking on it, its eligible. |
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Post by titch on Nov 27, 2013 22:37:05 GMT
Showingforfun the welsh c can also do the workers.
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Post by bleanwoodro on Nov 28, 2013 9:06:11 GMT
I have more than one to compete I think ur missing the point. My point is why say its for pbw but not let all pbw compete in the way they turn out I could plait my boy up and could do it... I have inhand to show and couple of riddens if u must no.
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Post by volatis on Nov 29, 2013 15:12:34 GMT
There are a number of reasons why this class has been introduced and if you read the guidelines you will see that the reason all ponies are asked to be presented the same is to stop the judges sub conciously judging that pony against a show pony standard or a hunter pony standard.There is no reason why a WHP or eventer/sport pony type who has good limbs and good movement cannot enter.
This class is an opportunity for plaited ponies to be ridden by appropriate riders of any age, which is one of the areas that M&M currently have a big advantage in. It is a very open class in terms of required memberships, in other words if you are already a member of BSPS, NPS, PUK, TSR, AHS, WPCS, or CHAPS, your memberhip will cover you to do this class as well.
It is the first year and as those of you who have competed there in the past will be aware, the timetable at HOYS is extremley tight at HOYS. But if the class is a success and well supported, the expansion of the class will certainly be considered, both in terms of other part bred registries and horses.
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Post by december1 on Nov 29, 2013 22:32:34 GMT
Well said volatis - this is the first year these classes have been considered, and we all have to wait to see how popular they are, hopefully it will be, and then the larger section and other part breds may be included.
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