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Post by pipandwill on Oct 8, 2017 17:49:01 GMT
The junior large winner was bloody worthy of the win and championship.
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Post by Really? on Oct 8, 2017 17:54:27 GMT
I am not sure that is true - my understanding is that you cannot compete on the same day? That is really tough if you cannot compete at all. If judging a completely different section to one you compete in.
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Post by Philippa on Oct 8, 2017 18:00:55 GMT
The junior large winner was bloody worthy of the win and championship. Nobody said it wasn’t. As I said earlier not everyone’s posts are made in a derogatory manner!!!
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Post by pipandwill on Oct 8, 2017 18:44:27 GMT
The junior large winner was bloody worthy of the win and championship. Nobody said it wasn’t. As I said earlier not everyone’s posts are made in a derogatory manner!!! I'm not saying it is, I was just commenting that the combination IMO, were the best in the class- whether people had predicted it or not.
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Post by Watchonsunday on Oct 8, 2017 19:28:25 GMT
It seems Grandstand Medua have disqualified the Small Hunter winner from the Supreme as riding & judging at the same show is not allowed! 🤣🤣 didn't plan that well. Well done Grandstand media 👍
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Post by pipandwill on Oct 8, 2017 19:33:04 GMT
It seems Grandstand Medua have disqualified the Small Hunter winner from the Supreme as riding & judging at the same show is not allowed! 🤣🤣 didn't plan that well. Well done Grandstand media 👍 Think they make the rules up as they go along ...
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Post by Watchonsunday on Oct 8, 2017 19:48:42 GMT
🤣🤣 didn't plan that well. Well done Grandstand media 👍 Think they make the rules up as they go along ... It is competing and Judging on same day.. Sm winner was judging coloureds today n then he would have been competing in Supreme this evening
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Post by Sameoldsameold on Oct 8, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
Think they make the rules up as they go along ... It is competing and Judging on same day.. Sm winner was judging coloureds today n then he would have been competing in Supreme this evening Whilst it is no doubt frustrating for the owner/rider I do think it is a good stand for the sport that Grandstand Media have made in this decision especially with all the controversy that has been about this year.
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Post by Toaster on Oct 8, 2017 20:34:11 GMT
Surely then he just needn't present for the Supreme but could still keep his placing? he is still listed on the HOYS website as the winner of the class. I'm not sure that its a condition of winning that they come forward for the supreme is it?
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Post by Dartypony on Oct 8, 2017 21:19:10 GMT
I was there and watched both the highland class and junior large breeds, the winner was outstanding and deserved both wins, hardly surprising it was tipped to win I believe it had already been champion at RI
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Post by waspblue on Oct 8, 2017 21:42:31 GMT
I could have told loads (I did tell some) Who was winning the junior larges. Me too!! Only I did put my bet on and told a few on here privately - interestingly I came away with over ÂŁ300 in winnings over three definite wins and two each way bets on ponies who would each place!!! You see I did put my money where my mouth is, very sad but true!!
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Post by Philippa on Oct 8, 2017 21:49:39 GMT
I could have told loads (I did tell some) Who was winning the junior larges. Me too!! Only I did put my bet on and told a few on here privately - interestingly I came away with over ÂŁ300 in winnings over three definite wins and two each way bets on ponies who would each place!!! You see I did put my money where my mouth is, very sad but true!! Brilliant result for you. Enjoy your winnings xxx
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Post by Bloodyhell on Oct 8, 2017 22:19:04 GMT
Wow what a thread ! I too watched both the opens and the juniors And the rihs classes and have to say the highland mare was outstanding Hope it wasn't corrupt as could've won in its own merit. Incidentally we also had a pony placed in the hoys large breed jnrs
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 9, 2017 5:46:59 GMT
Surely then he just needn't present for the Supreme but could still keep his placing? he is still listed on the HOYS website as the winner of the class. I'm not sure that its a condition of winning that they come forward for the supreme is it? The animal was not disqualified from winning the Small Hunter class but did not present for the Supreme due to the aforementioned judging/competing rule
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Post by Toaster NLI on Oct 9, 2017 11:20:35 GMT
Surely then he just needn't present for the Supreme but could still keep his placing? he is still listed on the HOYS website as the winner of the class. I'm not sure that its a condition of winning that they come forward for the supreme is it? The animal was not disqualified from winning the Small Hunter class but did not present for the Supreme due to the aforementioned judging/competing rule Yes that was my logic too thanks for confirming.
Interesting to see there was a rumour they had lost their placing when it does not seem to be the case
I was in a busy part of the stands during the coloured classes and heard all sorts of speculation as to why one animal was not forward only to hear one of these passed on as gospel truth in the queue for an ice cream after the classes so its easy to see how these situations can escalate
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 9, 2017 11:54:08 GMT
It was nice to meet you Toaster! I didn't stay for the Coloured classes, but came home to catch up on work
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Post by forester on Oct 9, 2017 14:14:12 GMT
I could have told loads (I did tell some) Who was winning the junior larges. Me too!! Only I did put my bet on and told a few on here privately - interestingly I came away with over ÂŁ300 in winnings over three definite wins and two each way bets on ponies who would each place!!! You see I did put my money where my mouth is, very sad but true!! d**n it I could have done with winning
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Post by shootme on Oct 9, 2017 14:40:09 GMT
It seems Grandstand Medua have disqualified the Small Hunter winner from the Supreme as riding & judging at the same show is not allowed! and who is actually at fault here? HOYS is at fault for allowing a judge to compete, the situation was clearly going to be an issue if he won the class. HOYS also needs to man up, they left it to the competitors to flag it up rather than dealing with it behind closed doors, HOYS should of been a lot more on the ball. The producer is looking bad here too though, they assumed the rule 'a person can not compete on the same day they are judging' does not apply to them, really? All I can add, thank god they didn't win supreme, and then have the title stripped off them, now that would be more bad press for the showing world, this producer needs to be grateful for small mercies.
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Post by F1J4 on Oct 9, 2017 15:27:10 GMT
Where does it say in the HOYS rules that they can not compete and judge at the same show? I am probably overlooking it for trying but can not find it.
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Post by F1J4 on Oct 9, 2017 15:33:02 GMT
Answered my own question and now found it on page 11 for anybody interested in looking.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 9, 2017 21:15:22 GMT
So perhaps it's time to move on now the show is over for another year? . . . ?
To add - I had to go back to the NEC early this am - (Monday).
"Breakdown" already in progress. A few stragglers still loading up and leaving, some grabbing a coffee from the Costa Coffee in the Genting. Stables removal team on site. And lorry-load after lorry-load of Andrews Bowen 'surface' being driven away by their own bulker trucks.
Onwards to Season 2018 - hopefully (please?) with less angst . . .
Take nothing away from the successful.
This bitterness and negativity is so unhealthy. It's not good for either the image of the trade, for those new to showing or indeed, for us oldie, dedicated 'diehards' for whom it has been and still is our life.
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Post by reputation on Oct 10, 2017 12:19:59 GMT
unfortunately showing already has the bad rep why is there so few fresh faces as its viewed unless your in with the inner circle you can't get anywhere
It's viewed as overweight doped animals and the bit*hiest competitors of them all
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Post by not good enough on Oct 10, 2017 15:02:36 GMT
So perhaps it's time to move on now the show is over for another year? . . . ? To add - I had to go back to the NEC early this am - (Monday). "Breakdown" already in progress. A few stragglers still loading up and leaving, some grabbing a coffee from the Costa Coffee in the Genting. Stables removal team on site. And lorry-load after lorry-load of Andrews Bowen 'surface' being driven away by their own bulker trucks. Onwards to Season 2018 - hopefully (please?) with less angst . . . Take nothing away from the successful. This bitterness and negativity is so unhealthy. It's not good for either the image of the trade, for those new to showing or indeed, for us oldie, dedicated 'diehards' for whom it has been and still is our life. I can't see how moving on (I take that to mean forget about it) is the answer. Showing appears to a lot of people both inside and outside of the discipline to be a den of iniquity. Favours being traded, people paying to win and animals being doped up to the eyeballs, the whole system within showing needs a long overdue overhaul if it is to have any future, and Societies and Associations should grasp the nettle and work together. If folk are voicing their opinions because they are sick up to the back teeth with what goes on, then it should be addressed sooner rather than later, the numbers in the classes for the most part show that a large proportion of people are voting with their feet, and in the end it will just leave the very few who indulge in unacceptable behaviour fighting it out amongst themselves, and that would be very sad for those of us who do our best, take it on the chin and just want a level playing field to enjoy what we love.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 10, 2017 16:34:41 GMT
I have been misquoted by you (guest) when you said "moving on".
Put simply, one would like to hope that the angst surrounding 2017 can a) be addressed b) accepted as 2017, with it's various errors, and c) that the bad bits NOT be used as a Template for 2018. Let's retain the good, honourable bits. And, there are many.
That is what I meant.
As for your comments - do not detract and remove from those who are innocent, genuine competitors, the successes which they rightfully achieve or, those who are genuine, to the letter Judges, for the 'assessments-on-the-day' which they make. They can only assess what is presented before them - and, HOW it has been presented!
That is also what I meant.
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Post by honeypot on Oct 10, 2017 22:35:50 GMT
I have to say I thought when you said 'moving on', it meant lets forget it.
The idea that making comments about doping, over weight ponies, dubious judging decisions and 'bending' of the rules is negative, I find ridicules. Unfortunately we have seen in more high profile sports that the if we do not talk about it, then it will go away attitude does not work.
The majority of parents/owners/riders want to take part and enjoy a sport that works in healthy environment, where role models unhold standards for people to aspire to, just one person bending the rules or abusing an animal undermines that, even more so if they are supposedly an expert with a high profile. I think if we are going to rule a line underneath 2017, it must the year when competitors ask their associations to penalise offenders to the point where it no longer acceptable or worth while to break/or twist the rules, that the penalty is so great that is not worth the risk. Then perhaps we can move on.
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Post by Philippa on Oct 11, 2017 5:46:46 GMT
I have to say I thought when you said 'moving on', it meant lets forget it. The idea that making comments about doping, over weight ponies, dubious judging decisions and 'bending' of the rules is negative, I find ridicules. Unfortunately we have seen in more high profile sports that the if we do not talk about it, then it will go away attitude does not work. The majority of parents/owners/riders want to take part and enjoy a sport that works in healthy environment, where role models unhold standards for people to aspire to, just one person bending the rules or abusing an animal undermines that, even more so if they are supposedly an expert with a high profile. I think if we are going to rule a line underneath 2017, it must the year when competitors ask their associations to penalise offenders to the point where it no longer acceptable or worth while to break/or twist the rules, that the penalty is so great that is not worth the risk. Then perhaps we can move on. I agree but unfortunately you just need to look at our whole society regarding the legal system and it stinks. So if society can’t sort the legal system out then societies haven’t a hope in hell.
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Post by sallie on Oct 11, 2017 6:23:04 GMT
For what its worth i think HOYS should be doing something , i ask them to do some dope testing, i ask them to look at the connections some exhibitors have with the HOYS judges, and before you shout i know lots of us know each other , but look at who is judging were, and at what very high profile shows, and were they are placed - please
i ask this because we all love our showing , but this has been the worst season for exhibitors being rude to judges , stewards, and the societies just say naughty dont do it again, and the obviously blatant doping, ( my niece who comes to the shows with me is a 4th year vet student) If HOYS take the lead others will follow am sure but lets hope for a bright new 2018 season
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Post by the showing register on Oct 11, 2017 7:26:18 GMT
TSR are currently having their rules and terms and conditions looked over by a Barrister as we are not going to tolerate having as members / judges people that continually push the boundaries on social media and in the ring thereby spoiling it for the many.
Our job is to encourage new people into showing for its good points which amongst others are friendship, achievement , sportsmanship and enjoying our horses and ponies it is not to have an in box full of sometimes / sometimes not justifiable moans about competitors and judges.
We are checking our clause that says we may refuse membership without giving a reason as several people this season have broken no rules but acted in a manner that brings showing into disrepute and leaves a bad taste. Before you jump all over me I know the 3 reasons when you cannot refuse that is Disability, ethenticity and gender.
I echo what people say when they want a level playing field and our members can be sure we are batting hard !
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Post by chloesmum on Oct 11, 2017 7:47:18 GMT
Hear hear TSR lets not forget the GOOD side of shwwing as well, all too easy to just focus on the negatives. At HOYS we were reminded of why we have been doing this for so long by the friendship and support offered by fellow competitors - producers and amateurs. Thank you to all for your kind words and help when needed. Like all families we all bicker but also pull together and help each other and hopefully take pleasure in others achievements. There will always be connections and the occasional dubious decision that's life and no one ever promised life is fair! My wish for 2018 - keeps things in perspective, there is always another side to a story and think before you post!
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Post by ponymum on Oct 11, 2017 8:28:07 GMT
I could have told loads (I did tell some) Who was winning the junior larges. Me too!! Only I did put my bet on and told a few on here privately - interestingly I came away with over ÂŁ300 in winnings over three definite wins and two each way bets on ponies who would each place!!! You see I did put my money where my mouth is, very sad but true!! I wish I had done the same , I think I got 3 winners too!
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