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Post by flumpyflump on May 27, 2009 13:51:16 GMT
I had the misfortune at the weekend to witness an incident at a show that I thought was disgusting.
I saw two lead rein ponies and small jockeys being led through the horseboxes. I then saw a man come through a very small gap between the lead rein ponies and a lorry leading a huge very wound up Welsh Cob, possibly a stallion, hard to tell as it was going so fast, at full pelt trot. I saw both ponies shoot forward and one spun right round nearly deposting the jockey. The leader of one of the ponies rightly so told the man he shouldnt have done what he did. He then subjected her to a torrent of verbal abuse causing the child to burst into tears.
This isnt a post intending to slate the welsh cob fraternity but please leave the flat out trot for the ring and where it is safe to do so and think about others particularly children. It wasnt as though this pony was late for a class or anything as it was going away from the ring through the horseboxes and I think it had just come out of the championship as it was draped in rosettes. Showing off I think!!! Dont think the man was right to deliver the torrent of abuse to the leader either - totally disgusting!
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Post by veryold on May 27, 2009 14:18:18 GMT
Sadly there are some people that behave like this. Many years ago the welsh cob people lost their classes at a county show because of this sort of behaviour. I think things are a lot better now, but there will always be someone (not just welsh cob handlers) who need to be more mindful of other people at a show.
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Post by nativeponies on May 27, 2009 14:23:17 GMT
nearly flattened by a huge welsh cob in april!! dont think the handler could stop it though so let him off, think the worst culprits are kids on ponies to be fair with no parents in sight! had one crash into our pony twice within 10 minutes..asked him not to canter round the show ground and he told his mummy i threatened to thump him!! though it may have been what he needed i did not threaten this!! she came to see me and screamed her head off at me..gross
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Post by sweetpea on May 27, 2009 14:49:41 GMT
have to say that my pet hate is kids and adults cantering round the horsebox area and show and not area they should be
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Post by Giddie on May 28, 2009 17:03:43 GMT
Yep l also have to agree it is the kids whizzing around on their ponies and have no understanding how this affects youngsters (Foals/yearlings)that you are trying to educate.. IT SCARES THE LIVING DAY LIGHTS OUT OF THEM.. The worse thing is a lot of the kids are so rude.. However to balance this up l totally agree with the initial part of this thread and how silly and dangerous is that.. running between the horseboxes, then have the cheek to blame everyone else for it..Sometimes people just don't think !!!
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Post by grotty on May 28, 2009 19:18:05 GMT
Sadly there are some people that behave like this. Many years ago the welsh cob people lost their classes at a county show because of this sort of behaviour. I think things are a lot better now, but there will always be someone (not just welsh cob handlers) who need to be more mindful of other people at a show. Sorry but this happend to me at the suffolk show this year!! Waiting with my 2 yo to go into a class some people with their Sec D stally came running round the corner of the horseboxes shaking a bottle with stones in it like a freaking lunatic!! I am normally one for live and let live but this freaked my pony and numerous others near the collecting ring, so I let rip yes I used the f word but in came back to me with bells on! These people stood beside their ring shaking the bottle every time their cob came that side bugger the fact that there were other people in the ring trying to show their ponies too. They did it with a mare and foal as well, then looked surprised when the foal wouldn't load poor little thing. Now my 2yo is pretty chilled having been shown quite alot not even the carriages fazed him or the scurry carts, so he is no wimp! I really though that this practise was being wiped out how wrong am I. |
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Post by nativeponies on May 28, 2009 19:27:18 GMT
ita appalling, why isnt it being stopped then, i havent seen the bottle shaking etc myself but i know it goes on...if the bloody things cant trot naturally leave em at home!! will cause an accident, or maybe thats what it will take before its stamped out??
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Post by sarah00000 on May 29, 2009 6:59:21 GMT
Locally we have a series of shows, where all the W cobs go to. I took my children there on their lead-rein ponies 3 years ago, as there was a whole ring for childrens classes.
Well, we took about 30 mins waiting for a "safe" time to get the ponies out of the lorry.
There were young girls being dragged about by w cob stallions and colts, everywhere. These girls were dressed in silly outfits, with no protection for feet of heads. They were literally whizzing backwards and forwards accross the showground, out of control.
We finally got out the lorry and dashed to the farthest corner of the show and hid away from the w cob ring.
Whilst we were in the ring, doing our lead-rein class, a child watching ringside, was kicked in the head by a colt, who was waiting to go in his class. The whole show stopped waiting for the ambulance and seeing this little limp child being carried away.
We couldnt get in the lorry quick enough to go home and would NEVER GO BACK.
Horses are dangerous animals in the wrong hands. I have nothing against cobs either, its the handlers - that cant control them - I have a problem with.
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Post by cayo on May 30, 2009 3:28:23 GMT
we saw this happen at malvern this spring people with a stallion shaking bottles clanging whips along fences ect ,they had someone at every corner of the ring making sure it was wound up ,i couldnt believe the judge let it go on and it beggered belief when they even had someone do it during its individual show it cantered off and the judge stopped them and had a word ,i thought she was asking them to leave the ring but no she had them trot up again ,it was first or second cant remember ,we had our stally in same class he didnt mind at all but had we had the mare there we couldnt have taken her in for the championship with those idiots operating .they should all be banned.we are welsh showers too but wouldnt stoop so low
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Post by sarah00000 on May 30, 2009 7:40:45 GMT
Surely outside interference/assistance is against the rules anyway?
Thats a disgusting way to behave. These minorities, give the decent competitors a bad reputation.
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Post by nativeponies on May 30, 2009 7:56:01 GMT
yes i thought outside assistance was against the rules..seems some think rules are there to be broken!! do they care if someone gets hurt..probably not as long as they get their red  |
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Post by myhorselizzie on May 30, 2009 13:21:02 GMT
hmm i di agree, but not so bad around where i show.
People need to remember, Section D's are big horses and will always win, they need to be handled correctly, and running them up around horse boxs is asking for it.
Colts and Stallions should only in my opinion be handled by sensible quiet men and women who can hold them and the approiate bits and equipment used... and the same goes for geldings and mares too.
My section D gelding wears a bridle with a stallion bit in it for safety, and he doesnt go anywhere near other horses, and although he will jog near the boxes in excitment i dont run him up and i do keep him under control.
People need to remember that there are young children and nervous older competitors there, and any horse can set off with you. My friends shetland dragged her all around the yard once so a section D - think of what they can do. I also think, if their horse is good enough it will win simple as that. Running it up around the boxes to 'show off' or 'warm him up' isnt going to get em a red ribbon just alot of problems
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Post by nativeponies on May 30, 2009 15:35:26 GMT
had it at a local show last august, i had taken a 3 year old sec A out for his first experience and some silly moo up his backside making the most horrendous noises at her 2 year old sec D filly, it was going off its head and really upsetting my little man...do they not think too that these ponies, most of them will be going on to do the ridden job after in handing???...i am sure scaring the living crap out of them cant be doing them much good? but there were kids in this class too and the lady did not give a stuff about anyone elses safety.
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Post by howdydo1 on May 30, 2009 15:40:00 GMT
a person like this broke my hand because they decided to hit the rails as they ran their D out scaring my horse to death!
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Post by nativeponies on May 30, 2009 15:56:22 GMT
thats just it though, rarely hurt themselves when people act stupid..is usually some innocent party who gets injured  i dont see what is attractive about any pony throwing itself all over the place rearing up etc, i saw one chap who kept whalloping his cob in the mouth, every time he did it the cob went crackers, rearing up and jogging, so obviously didnt care he was putting it in pain to get the desired effect??? crazy.  |
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 12:04:04 GMT
There is always a problem when inhand mix with ridden classes. Not many people can control horses in hand ! and lets face it show horses and ponies full of food to make them show FAT ( oops i ment fit !!) are going to be highley volatile. There are many things that need looking at for safety at shows including trade stands next to the rings (large plastic cow Rutland or large ballons that zoom down and hit your horse on the head while being ridden by the judge). It all very well saying these animals should be bomproof but they have to be sharp to do there job. There needs to be more help at these show from people with REAL experience BUT we are all far to busy?  |
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 1, 2009 13:04:29 GMT
no one talking about ponies being bombproof, the thread was started with regard to rude, ill mannered people who will cause an accident, being bombproof is one thing, being splattered by a welsh cob, or indeed any other equine is another!!!
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 13:45:20 GMT
Oh dear! Sorry supper GOD if i strayed.
You will never stop the RUDE people from competeing so I think its better to solve the problem another way. Show offs and bad tempers make misery for all.
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 1, 2009 13:53:08 GMT
no thats right that will never be stopped, tradestands etc can be dealt with..mindless arseholes are another thing..wasnt having a go..chillax!!
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Post by heathers on Jun 1, 2009 14:03:27 GMT
i too hate the bottle rattlers,the carrier bags on end of schooling whips and
whats all this silly screaming by men outside the ring.
its started going on in section a classes in my area as well,
this man stood next to me did a stupid scream as a well known breeder ran
past in a section a class,i jumped out of my skin
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 14:11:14 GMT
Well I tend to keep my head down till someone stamps on it !!
My pet hate at shows is being ridden out in the ring when on young horses. We have all paid dearly for our chance to shine.
Children are only normally bad because the parents are but adults have no excuses.I had the misfortune to ride for an owner that got himself banded from the royal show. that made me smile as he was marched of by security. So there can be some justic!!!
I have been there for more years than I care to mention and the change has not been for the better. Maybe there should be some sort of complants body?
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 14:16:40 GMT
How about the familys of fellow competitors that flap a blanket at you just when your pass by the judge And sit down giggling. credit to the judge on that day!!! More than bad manners I think?
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 1, 2009 14:18:56 GMT
i agree..the kids do as they are allowed..i know one lady who tacks pony up, enters in and then leaves the child to it ALL DAY!!! this child was kicked last year..by my pony..she kept poking him with her show cane while sat on her gelding next to mine, i told her 3 times to leave him alone or he will get peeed off with her..just before i am about to tell har the 4th time he turned round and booted her!! i was pleased he did it, this little brat has no discipline and its her mothers fault!! i tell my daughter to stay away from her at shows but the kid will not get lost!!
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Post by heathers on Jun 1, 2009 14:29:20 GMT
How about the familys of fellow competitors that flap a blanket at you just when your pass by the judge And sit down giggling. credit to the judge on that day!!! More than bad manners I think? that is terrible  |
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 14:38:08 GMT
Mmm! Not a mum myself but is it not like leaving your child home alone ??
Hope your insured ready for when that bad parent come out the wood work. They will alway shout the loudest if the S**t hits the fan
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Post by lorilingo on Jun 1, 2009 14:46:52 GMT
I experienced the welsh cob "supporters" yesterday for the first time, I was marked right down as my welsh mare shows herself off naturally, trotting out enthusisatically but I am in control, with my family sat EMPTY HANDED watching and supporting, so why does the judge chose a cob to win that is being terrified by a whip in the face, supporters flicking towels at it, and the tape being flung in its direction? The guy couldn't stop it and it charged straight into the line up, he held its head so far in the air the poor cob looked in pain. The whole show ground had seen it being jeered up outside the ring too as little riders were about.
Why does this then win? Shouldn't judges take a stand?
This was at a pony club show with kids leading in the ring too, I was appauled.
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 1, 2009 14:57:07 GMT
kickon..trust me that parent wouldnt dare come out of the woodwork!!!! she knows better, alot of people witnessed what the brat was doing to my pony and if he hadnt kicked her i may have done...even when i shouted at her after and told her to get lost i had support from people at ringside...still follows us around though!!! yes it is like leaving them at home...just on young naughty ponies instead!!!!! she is a bloody liability, give me mad cobs/handlers anyday!!!!
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Post by kickon on Jun 1, 2009 15:22:12 GMT
Wow! I have suffered with the welsh in hand classes at staffs county where they were well out of order leading them throught spectators. I have a welsh cob myself but I rescued him. 5 year with 5 owners and he has no papers. I can lead him but now one else here can. He is full of it so there is no way I would put him in a inhand class.
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Post by heathers on Jun 1, 2009 15:42:10 GMT
the announcer at cothi bridge show told the cobs to clear the way to the rings before an accident happens.good on him.
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Post by myhorselizzie on Jun 1, 2009 19:04:28 GMT
I think this starting to get picky. Its not just Welsh Cobs that do this.. and not everyone with a welsh cob is like this.. I can certaintly handle mine as can many of the other handlers.. why should the minority spoil it for the majority. Ive seen riding horses and Show ponies handled the same way. So please , don't just stereotype everyone or this behaviour to welsh cob owners and handlers, as ive seen most breeds treated this way x
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i dont see what is attractive about any pony throwing itself all over the place rearing up etc, i saw one chap who kept whalloping his cob in the mouth, every time he did it the cob went crackers, rearing up and jogging, so obviously didnt care he was putting it in pain to get the desired effect??? crazy. 
