ada
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Post by ada on Sept 24, 2009 21:58:04 GMT
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a walk and trot FR for kids just off the lead, we spent the winter doing FR dressage, one test walk and trot and one with canter. church farm run these dressage shows during the winter usually every other week, you can stand at the side of the arena and read the test for them. I found this helped with my childs confidence in her own ability to "steer" her pony and in riding circles and figers of eight. they also do lead rein classes, but you DO need to be a good runner to do them!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think its fantastic that all these tiny kids are wanting to "go it alone" You mums must be very proud....I hope all the riding clubs can come up with some new classes for the riders of the future. Church farm FR classes are for 10 yrs and under,Lucy won the FR with canter last winter, won a beautiful wool show rug and a cup!
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Post by winston on Sept 25, 2009 7:52:48 GMT
I agree 'ada' my daughter did walk and trot tests before doing proper FR. Now she takes novice ponies for walk and trot. The first time she won a test I overheard other competitors pouring over the results wondering who the mystery horse and rider combo were, someone thought it 'must be the big black stallion'. We smiled as we hacked home with our 11.2h welsh sec A gelding!
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Post by didnt enter on Sept 28, 2009 9:37:31 GMT
My daughter did a little bit of 1st ridden last year including the fyfr at Equifest as well still competing in LR classes. The description for the FYFR class this year at Equifest was "Riders to be competing in First Ridden classes for the 1st year since competing off of the lead rein"
To me this means that if you competed last year at all off the lead rein then the child is not eligible to go in this class whether they were still doing LR classes last year as well. Hence the fact that I did not enter this class with my daughter. When I saw some of the children in this class there is absolutely no doubt that they are experienced 1st ridden riders who were placed and won open 1st ridden classes at Equifest this year. Just because the children still ride on the LR now it does not alter the fact that they competed in 1st ridden last year. Maybe the classes should be divided by age as there is no disputing this, is there???
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 9:42:58 GMT
Not unless they are lying about their age, which i know for a fact happenend at Equifest!
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Post by perfect on Sept 28, 2009 10:24:56 GMT
My daughter did a little bit of 1st ridden last year including the fyfr at Equifest as well still competing in LR classes. The description for the FYFR class this year at Equifest was " Riders to be competing in First Ridden classes for the 1st year since competing off of the lead rein" To me this means that if you competed last year at all off the lead rein then the child is not eligible to go in this class whether they were still doing LR classes last year as well. Hence the fact that I did not enter this class with my daughter. When I saw some of the children in this class there is absolutely no doubt that they are experienced 1st ridden riders who were placed and won open 1st ridden classes at Equifest this year. Just because the children still ride on the LR now it does not alter the fact that they competed in 1st ridden last year. Maybe the classes should be divided by age as there is no disputing this, is there??? Are you meaning FYFR or first ridden in the above statement. there is a difference my grandaughter did both fyfr and fr at Equifest, as this is her first year6yrs old), and i must say did a very good job as we only purchased the pony in the spring, it has certainly helped finding the right pony, because she has given her so much confidence. i do hope you wernt implying your statment about us.......
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Post by Didnt enter on Sept 28, 2009 11:57:08 GMT
If this year is your child's 1st year attempting the 1st ridden classes then as far as the ruling read to me then it was perfectly acceptable to compete in both the fyfr & 1st ridden classes, and lead rein for that matter, which is what we did there last year. The point I was trying to make was, that if you were off the lead rein last year at all, but still competing on the lead as well (which I feel is perfectly acceptable) then this year under my understanding of the Equifest ruling you shouldn't have competed in the fyfr.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 12:02:22 GMT
i dont think it is acceptable to compete in fyfr and fr, if you're good enough for pure fr then get out of the tiny tots classes and go in with the more experienced jockeys, god what is wrong with a bit of competition! thats what it is after all, a competition! doing lead rein and testing the waters in fyfr is fine.
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Post by perfect on Sept 28, 2009 14:08:48 GMT
No she wasnt of the lead rein last year, and she will stay in the tiny tots classes until i feel that she is ready to go it alone against the older children, and we dont do these classes "as a competition" we are educating the children to learn to ride correctly and have fun and make friends which is what has happend. We did a class at our area show for TTots, we had children and ponies thaT HAD COMPETED at HOYS, we didnt even get looked at by the judge, but it was experiance and a learning curve watching the more experianced riders doing there shows, Sometimes these threads get a little to uptight, these are little children dont push them to quickly........
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 18:02:01 GMT
My child has been competitive, by nature since she was 4! In ANY SPORT, so i hope you are not suggesting i push my kids? you can educate them and let them make friends anywhere doesn't have to be in the ring, if it wasn't a competition there would not be placings they'd all get a red ribbon! And to be honest, if it wasn't about the competing we would stay at home, learn and make friends alot cheaper than we do out showing!
Nothing against you doing it, just we show with a different purpose to yours.
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Post by didnt enter on Sept 28, 2009 18:43:32 GMT
There are so few shows that actually run fyfr or tiny tots 1st ridden that the little jockeys have no choice but go into 1st ridden at most places. I don't disagree with them doing both at the same show if they fit the criteria of the classes. It is when the rules are knowingly broken for the sake of a piece of ribbon that you wonder why you bother. I know it is not the children's fault that they are entered in classes which they shouldn't be in. Surely the parents know that someone is watching who knows them or has seen them in a class before. Showing is a small world where everybody knows everyone else's business, so aren't they worried that they are cheating?
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Post by Minihaha on Sept 28, 2009 18:44:30 GMT
The problem with children's classes lies with the judges and producers.
Judges are constantly putting up tiny children on ponies which are often too big for them and producers are setting up ponies artificially for kids to jump on immediately before classes. This is the case at the top level with this season's champions all being ridden in by adults either because they are too hot or they are lazy. Go and watch the HOYS rings and this will prove the point.
The wrong in this is that average children of the right age for classes are being dumped down the line on good ponies doing decent shows not because the pony is wrong but because the rider is tall. There are age restrictions on classes and judges should take these into consideration by judging the ponies as being suitable for those of the correct age for each class be it Lead Rein or 153cm SHP's. This is a BIG issue.
If the ponies in the height bracket can't carry kids of the correct age for a class then surely the breeders are going very wrong in what they are putting in the ring.
Judges should ask children's ages and let all have their day if they are on the best mannered and put together pony. We condemn ponies for being overfaced but psychologically for children it is wrong to overface them. We should let them gain confidence and grow up up through the correct classes and not be push them beyond their capabilities or penalise them for looking older. We all know this is what is happening in the rings today. Come on judge play fair.
Let kids be kids, not have to grow up too fast and enjoy thier ponies be they 3 or 17.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 18:50:53 GMT
There was a child in a class at equifest who was lined up next to my child, my child knows this child from school, when the judge came down the line and asked ages, this girl lied !! why?
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Post by minihaha on Sept 28, 2009 18:56:17 GMT
At least they can't do that once they are out of the class. If you hear them lie please inform the stewards.
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Post by didnt enter on Sept 28, 2009 18:57:19 GMT
Probably because she was told to!! We heard someone say to a child to always tell the judge that your pony is 6 or 7 no matter how old it really is! Children have enough to remember when they go into the ring, without having to remember to lie as well.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 19:23:27 GMT
We know they will still do it once out of the class! she had no need to lie, it was a 12 yrs and under class! she won it anyway, i didn't know until it was over.
I know a child who was 8 for 4 years!
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Post by perfect on Sept 28, 2009 19:41:04 GMT
Cassie 30 no i wasnt implying that you push your child at all. and i think you must be talking about the M/M class , which we didnt do, we where in the show pony fr. each to there own, i wouldnt lie about a childs age or go in a class we where not eligable to go into. but 8i do agree ive seen some children w(&^%$ on the older side////
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 20:33:08 GMT
nope def plaited pony, some days show pony, some days hunter pony!
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Post by ponymum on Sept 28, 2009 20:52:01 GMT
cassie30 which pony are you on about?
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Post by tootrue on Sept 28, 2009 21:12:20 GMT
Probably because she was told to!! We heard someone say to a child to always tell the judge that your pony is 6 or 7 no matter how old it really is! Children have enough to remember when they go into the ring, without having to remember to lie as well. Yep, I can believe it when our daughter was told by the judge that she had lost the red rosette because the LR (FR to be) pony was only 4yrs old and although it had behaved impeccably it wasn't 'right' for a child to be competing on such a young pony as it's a novice She will be venturing into the FYFR classes next year, if we can find any having done all season on LR but one novelty class alone, it seems she may be ineligible.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 29, 2009 6:51:36 GMT
Why isn't it right? if the pony is safe and everything it should be that is ridiculous? we have always competed youngsters in these classes and no judge has ever said anything like that!
Nope not saying who pony is im not taking a thrashing on here by any irrate parents! sorry ponymum! x
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Post by rover on Oct 2, 2009 8:36:37 GMT
I think the clue is in the title of the class. First year First ridden! I just feel that its a shame that little tots learning the trade have no where else to go after this class and get launced in with 12 year old some semmi proffessional riders and are lost in it. Judges I have seen seem to go for the larger jockey and ignore the smalley on the pony that is doing the job it should be whilst some of the older ones are fighting ponies in "suitable bits" such as gags and pelhams!
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 2, 2009 8:53:34 GMT
ditto rover!
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Post by perfect on Oct 2, 2009 14:02:04 GMT
which shows are u talking abour "rover", the only shows wqe have done in the sp classes, only snaffles are allowed, although in MM ive seen pelhams and often wondered why "any suitable bit" for that particular breed.
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Post by dellibear on Oct 2, 2009 15:24:18 GMT
I firmly believe that FYFR is just that - the first year off the lead rein and unless the schedule states first "calendar year" or "not to have ridden off the lead rein before January 1st in current year" - then a year is 12 months to me whether that year starts in November or January. Some little jockeys may grasp canter straight away and only need to do 2 or 3 shows in FYFR before heading off into FR classes, but others may need a little longer. However a full 12 months should be available to little jockeys if that it was is needed to build their skills and confidence. Unless of course, the schedule states otherwise
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 2, 2009 18:23:33 GMT
perfect i have wondered that too, why only in the mm classes are pelhams allowed in FR.?
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Post by nici on Oct 2, 2009 19:20:27 GMT
Maybe because FR jockeys on M&Ms can be older than on SPs and therefore better able to handle double reins? There's no way my daughter could handle double reins and i doubt she will for the next few years. But some of her 12 year old friends are more than capable. And if a pony does both FR and open classes, it may be more convenient to use a pelham for both?
If I was a judge (which is never ever going to happen) I think I'd want to be suspicious of a FR pony in a pelham. It may be the done thing for open classes, but I'd want my own child to be riding a pony that goes sweetly in a snaffle...
Interesting question though, and I'd be very interested if someone can shed some light on it, rather than speculating as I have done ;D
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 2, 2009 19:33:02 GMT
lol nici, but yes it would be more convenient, is a pain in the bum changing bridles! the thought of teaching kids to use 2 reins, nightmares will follow tonight lol x
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Post by Sarahd on Oct 2, 2009 21:28:41 GMT
My little girl is just 6 and did her 1st mm fr when she was 4 at a show where i knew it would be in a small outdoor school and not many in. She then did another earlier this year at a bsps tiny tots show, both times only trotting. Her pony is 6 and has never been schooled off the lead, only wat she has done herself. She has a bit of a job getting him into canter probablies because her feet are not past the flaps. I think there should be a trot only fr class for these novice combinations instead of fyfr.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 2, 2009 21:53:11 GMT
awww how sweet! she'll be a lovely little rider when she can reach all the right places!
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Post by ada on Oct 2, 2009 22:23:48 GMT
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