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Post by Egon on Oct 3, 2009 8:08:55 GMT
My pony and little jockey have now entered 2 FYFR classes at Sidesaddlelady's shows - whilst also doing lead rein. She has now announced that she wont do LR again! The FYFR class at these shows are held in a very small indoor school - so nice and safe. The pony is also just off the LR and I would not be confident to let the pair "loose" in a large ring in a field at a busy show - yet. Even though we have started the FYFR classes in the last quarter of 2009 I intend the pair to carry on into 2010 (still in the first year off the lead) until she is confident in the canter and the pony has proven himself. Hopefully by mid to end of next summer we will be in those large rings in a field doing our "grown up" FR classes. I think that a year doing FYFR is perfect - we may not need the full year but then again we might..... . I'm sorry delibear but that is a clear breach of the rules so brace yourself for complaints that would be correct and justified!people should read the rules so they do not leave themselves vulnerable! Your clear intention is to go and not abide by any rules and I find that offencive and would gladly now lay my money down to complain! Sorry I don't want to be contrieversal but your attitude is!
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 3, 2009 8:30:42 GMT
how? it will still be within the first year? or have i read it wrong Egon?
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Post by halfpass on Oct 3, 2009 8:52:31 GMT
I can see what you are saying Egon, that instead of doing twelve months dellibear will in fact be doing sixteen months if she uses the full amount of time, but does this really matter when we are talking about small children, surely we should be looking at producing happy confident small riders, and some are going to take longer than others. But like all things equine you are going to find that some are going to take the pee with riders who are more than capable of riding in a open first ridden just for that extra rosette.
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Post by dellibear on Oct 3, 2009 12:35:41 GMT
No I am sorry that you think that my attitude is offensive.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I mean one year to be 12 months not talking about calendar year (ie 1st Jan to Dec) but 12 months from when we started.
the rules do not say from 1st Jan they say first year off the lead rein - which I believe is 12 months. If the schedule stated something like "not to have competed off the lead rein before 1st Jan in the current year" then we would not enter.
We are not rosette hunting, but trying to encourage a little girl to gain confidence confidence with her pony and the necessary skills, within a well managed environment so she is ready to cope with joining a large class of children up to 4 years older than her and can not only trot a figure of eight but be abe to show a little canter too and still be safe.
This is an unafilliated class designed to bring on young riders.
I think that I will not post on this site anymore - I have just started to post only to be called offensive in my first post without this person reading my 2nd post in this thread where I clearly stated my intentions. Why cant some people ask questions or request clarification in a civil manner?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Oct 3, 2009 12:54:02 GMT
delibear please dont be disheartened by this site as the majority of us are nice!!!!! Its quite clear from your post that you are not a pot hunter and that you just want to do whats best for the little jockey and the pony. Halfpass is right what does it matter when a childs confidence is being tested!! I would take no notice of egon the safety of your child is far more important than the opinion of a guest poster!!!
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Post by dellibear on Oct 3, 2009 13:22:30 GMT
Brindlerainbow - thank you for understanding and your kind words!
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Post by ellieraga on Oct 3, 2009 13:42:15 GMT
At the end of the day first year first ridden is a big step for these kids, therefore dellibear safety is a top priority !!!
Totally agree with what you are doing , best of luck
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 3, 2009 14:43:01 GMT
delliebear thats what i thought you meant, which i why i asked Egon! you will be within rules im sure, dont worry go and enjoy nextseason and good luck x
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Post by rover on Oct 4, 2009 18:51:06 GMT
which shows are u talking abour "rover", the only shows wqe have done in the sp classes, only snaffles are allowed, although in MM ive seen pelhams and often wondered why "any suitable bit" for that particular breed. I used to show in m&m classes and an array of bits could be seen is not a dig at anyone in peticular just an observation that puzzed me. A friend's pony went in with a pelham! When asked about this the relpy was "She cant hold H...... in a snaffle"! I did say to her its not a true first ridden then! Contraversal opioion I know but one I feel is true! What do others think? Oh yes her pony won and I didnt have a F.R at that point so not sour grapes! Just felt sorry for the tot in snaffles who did good shows
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 4, 2009 19:13:27 GMT
Think thats a whole new thread Rover!! lol very controversial but yes i think you are right!
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Post by ada on Oct 4, 2009 20:48:45 GMT
IF a pony will only go in a pelham its not a first ridden..... obviously TOO strong for little kids..............................! my opinion ONLY...
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Post by wornthetshirt on Oct 4, 2009 21:25:32 GMT
IF a pony will only go in a pelham its not a first ridden..... obviously TOO strong for little kids..............................! my opinion ONLY... But, how many "little kids" - has this (hypothetical) pony had in the past? There are sound arguments either way on the bitting issue, but the first priority has to be creating a 'safe conveyance' for the small, novice child, so that the child looks forward to riding the pony and so that the pony has something to offer the small jockey who is now 'flying solo'.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 4, 2009 21:34:03 GMT
Precisely wornthetshirt.
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Post by ada on Oct 4, 2009 22:24:25 GMT
worntheshirt, a safe conveance for a child? surely not a strong pony?
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Post by perfect on Oct 4, 2009 22:25:25 GMT
Safety has got to come first with these little ones which is what ive been sayibng all along, Ponies will be cheeky and try there little trick!!!!if they can get away with it. and surely whilst some of the tots are learning they are better to give the class and a rossette away through wearing a pelham or whatever isnt allowed, so that they feel confident..... a friend of mine has a super looking FR that on a good day takes a lot to beat, but it has a flaw in its nature and every now and again with throw a buck or a sharp spook in,, the little b....r knows it can get away with it in the ring Trying to find that perfect fr pony is like pulling hens teeth. Thankfully after a long search(8 months)( i found one and have a waiting list of at least 6 people wanting thje pony when we have finished with it.
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Post by roverssister on Oct 4, 2009 22:52:36 GMT
Safety has got to come first with these little ones which is what ive been sayibng all along, Ponies will be cheeky and try there little trick!!!!if they can get away with it. and surely whilst some of the tots are learning they are better to give the class and a rossette away through wearing a pelham or whatever isnt allowed, so that they feel confident..... a friend of mine has a super looking FR that on a good day takes a lot to beat, but it has a flaw in its nature and every now and again with throw a buck or a sharp spook in,, the little b....r knows it can get away with it in the ring Trying to find that perfect fr pony is like pulling hens teeth. Thankfully after a long search(8 months)( i found one and have a waiting list of at least 6 people wanting thje pony when we have finished with it. OK just to calrify, if i was going to try an unknown pony for my my son who is 7 years old, and the seller was to say " a first ridden pony" and they brought it out in a pelham I would run a mile! would any one disagree? Childsafety paramount and lets not forget that is a strongist type of bit! I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ROVERSSISTER on Oct 4, 2009 22:58:45 GMT
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Post by rover on Oct 4, 2009 23:18:31 GMT
Cassie you contidict yourself ! ::)I shall start a new thread!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 5, 2009 6:40:26 GMT
A bit is only as strong as the rider using it, and i feel with the broad spectrum of snaffles on the market some would cause more pain and distress than a correctly fitting bit of another type, have commented with our rulings on the new thread.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 5, 2009 8:36:19 GMT
I don't really see a divergence here - from a parent's the pony must be controllable by the child, and using a stronger bit when necessary is one way of doing this, surely no one likes to see a child on a pony they can't control. We have in the past used a stronger bit when it was necessary, eg on a pony going hunting or suchlike. The child must be capable of using it properly of course. On the other hand, a FR class should be looking for the best FR pony, which to me will be one that will go sweetly in a snaffle and not need a stronger bit.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Oct 5, 2009 12:08:30 GMT
worntheshirt, a safe conveance for a child? surely not a strong pony? Ada, I'm not quite understanding you here. A safe conveyance is - well - a safe conveyance! Did I mention the word strong? No. It is worth remembering that, particularly with pure Mountain and Moorland ponies, the pony may well be dual purpose and also do PC and WHP. It may well be happier doing these tasks in a Pelham, if that is what it's usually ridden in. Or not, as the case may be. So should the "show pony" FR be able to do some PC duties, too, but that's another story! I am certainly not advocating the use of pelhams (and I definately do not want to see a single rein Globe on a FR, which I was shocked to see this spring) - but it really is down to what the pony is happiest in. That will surely make it the safest conveyance.
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Post by ladybird on Oct 5, 2009 12:59:29 GMT
i agree with br, most of us are very nice on here so please dont leave ! Good luck with everything you do dellibear and stay on hg!!
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Post by perfect on Oct 5, 2009 19:46:19 GMT
Yes i am in agreement that a pony that has to be ridden in a pelham is NOT a FR, all im saying is it will give some children a bit more confidence, and yes db people do get uptight on here they do enjoy trying to wind you up, ive had it happen to me quite a few times, just try to ignore them. oh and yes my fr show pony has been to pc rallies and has done gymkana games as well and jumping small, small fences..
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Post by ada on Oct 6, 2009 20:31:53 GMT
Sorry worntheshirt, you did'nt say strong, but surely you would only use a pelham on a pony that did'nt go sweetly in a snaffle?
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 6, 2009 20:39:29 GMT
Some can "go" better in a pelham though we have a lovely little lady, total saint, but with a small jockey her way of going is so much better when she has this bit in, dont really need to touch her she just knows its there and does all the work for the jockey. She is happy in it or i would not use it.
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