Judges 2007

[stonefoldponies]

ponypony said:

hi all. can anyone tell ma what mr p boustead is likely to go for in a ridden m&m large?? thanks

Mr Boustead will go for a pony that is true to type and covers the ground well and has a nice balanced way of going. The fairest around, without a doubt!!

[pipandflo]

Totally agree about Peter Boustead.

[daisey]

Ditto regarding P.B
anyone know the pref of Mrs E.Payne

[dillis]

where is peter Boustead judging (I know about Olympia) please..

[overatdaknee]

Mrs SRO White now doing ISRT at Wales this weekend- any info on what type she will like?

[peggoty]

I have found that Mr Boustead has very staange ideas about conformation and type within the Welsh breeds.

[ponygirl]

dillis said:

where is peter Boustead judging (I know about Olympia) please..

Think you'll find he is mainly doing workers - not sure where though!

[Buddy]

peggoty said:

I have found that Mr Boustead has very staange ideas about conformation and type within the Welsh breeds.

I think you will find that if it hasn't got bone and feather he may not like it, which is what they should have.

He will also put a pony down if it doesn't do a good show.

Which is what I thought we wanted.

[twinkle]

SRO will go for something fashy with big movement. can be facey tho.

[blacksheep]

Was it Mr Boustead that judged the Dales and Fells at Surrey County this year? If so, I wasn't impressed with the awful behaviour he allowed from one of the entries especially as he also placed it second.

[overtired]

Don't bother with Peter Boustead He has very strange ideas when it comes to confirmation I have watched him judge a number of times and really can't follow his logic.

[buttons]

I agree really can not understand what type he likes, this is in regards to welsh breeds

[Monarch]

Any Ideas what Alan Robertson will go for in SHP this weekend at Wales??

Whats his type???

[stonefoldponies]

podgey said:

Don't bother with Peter Boustead He has very strange ideas when it comes to confirmation I have watched him judge a number of times and really can't follow his logic.

I would have to totally disagree there podgey, I am sure if you ask Mr Boustead he will be happy to tell you what he looks for. I have listened to a seminar which he gave at a judges day, and I thought it was excellent as did others that I spoke to.
He may not have a clue about confirmation?, but he sure as eggs knows about CONFORMATION. and also breed type which I feel is equally as important to ensure our different breeds don't all merge into one.

[alo]

milly said:

Any Ideas what Alan Robertson will go for in SHP this weekend at Wales??

Whats his type???

Manners!!!! Must go correctly. Watched his judging at the BSPS and was very impressed.

[paris23]

alo said:

milly said:

Any Ideas what Alan Robertson will go for in SHP this weekend at Wales??

Whats his type???

Manners!!!! Must go correctly. Watched his judging at the BSPS and was very impressed.

seem some strange things of him also can be facey

[ernie]

paris23 said:

alo said:

Manners!!!! Must go correctly. Watched his judging at the BSPS and was very impressed.

seem some strange things of him also can be facey

Here Here Alo!!! I Totally agree with what you say.



Paris - have you been watching the correct judge. Mr Robertson is a very fair judge - just because you say you have seen some strange things of him - in other words don't agree with him - doesn't mean he is facey!!!

[npo]

Mr Boustead is judging the evening classes at Showland Native Society Championship Show on Saturday.

[overtired]

stonefoldponies said:

podgey said:

Don't bother with Peter Boustead He has very strange ideas when it comes to confirmation I have watched him judge a number of times and really can't follow his logic.

I would have to totally disagree there podgey, I am sure if you ask Mr Boustead he will be happy to tell you what he looks for. I have listened to a seminar which he gave at a judges day, and I thought it was excellent as did others that I spoke to.
He may not have a clue about confirmation?, but he sure as eggs knows about CONFORMATION. and also breed type which I feel is equally as important to ensure our different breeds don't all merge into one.

We are all entitled to our own opinions - you have yours and I have mine - My experience of him is of Welsh ponies. He may be a very experienced Dales and Fell Judge, which by your name suggests that you have Dales ponies? but he isn't good with Welsh. I have been showing ponies for over 25 years so do have a little experience in the field.

[wantsum]

ernie said:

paris23 said:

seem some strange things of him also can be facey

Here Here Alo!!! I Totally agree with what you say.



Paris - have you been watching the correct judge. Mr Robertson is a very fair judge - just because you say you have seen some strange things of him - in other words don't agree with him - doesn't mean he is facey!!!

Maybe it doesn't mean he isn't either

[princess]

npo said:

Mr Boustead is judging the evening classes at Showland Native Society Championship Show on Saturday.

Fantastic, very knowledgeble man and a good fair judge, everyone will come away happy I'm sure!

[paris23]

ernie said:

paris23 said:

seem some strange things of him also can be facey

Here Here Alo!!! I Totally agree with what you say.



Paris - have you been watching the correct judge. Mr Robertson is a very fair judge - just because you say you have seen some strange things of him - in other words don't agree with him - doesn't mean he is facey!!!

well no i didnt agree with him because the pony that won wrong legged it and he still gave it first so in my experience he was facey and you cant say there is no quality in a HOYS class. so thats my opinion of him it does not mean i have to agree with you.

there was no need to be rude i have seen this judge judge and you seem to back him up very well i am not stupid and when it was a producer who won does that not tell you something!

i am entitled to my opinion just like you!

[hormonal]

starlight said:

And then two weeks later no diffrence in pony at all we were pulled in top then dropped wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy down cause he was too porky

Sounds like a very good judge to me - we need more like that!

[Bruce]

hormonal said:

starlight said:

And then two weeks later no diffrence in pony at all we were pulled in top then dropped wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy down cause he was too porky

Sounds like a very good judge to me - we need more like that!

Have to agree.

[ernie]

paris23 said:

ernie said:

Here Here Alo!!! I Totally agree with what you say.



Paris - have you been watching the correct judge. Mr Robertson is a very fair judge - just because you say you have seen some strange things of him - in other words don't agree with him - doesn't mean he is facey!!!

well no i didnt agree with him because the pony that won wrong legged it and he still gave it first so in my experience he was facey and you cant say there is no quality in a HOYS class. so thats my opinion of him it does not mean i have to agree with you.

there was no need to be rude i have seen this judge judge and you seem to back him up very well i am not stupid and when it was a producer who won does that not tell you something!

i am entitled to my opinion just like you![/quot

Apologies if you felt I was being rude but this is the problem with the HOYS qualifying classes being judged on marks. He most probably did penalise for the wrong leg but could have had far better conformation than other ponies in the class - I don't know if you saw the marks as to whether this is the case.

[Guestless]

ernie said:

this is the problem with the HOYS qualifying classes being judged on marks. He most probably did penalise for the wrong leg but could have had far better conformation than other ponies in the class

I've heard a few people using this as an excuse for a wrong leg appearing not to have been penalised. IMO, although not impossible, it's unlikely for there only to be one HOYS quality pony in the class. I know there will be cases where the classes are small and perhaps quality is lacking, but isn't that the exception rather than the rule?

(Not commenting on this particular instance as I know nowt about it!)

[nono]

I have spoken to several judges about ponies winning on a wrong leg and not one thought it a problem a couple of marks deducted from show was their opinion the general thoughts were it is a minor error and they were not prepared to penalise harshly, i personally disagree if it is a HOYS qualifier but i am not a judge so i think the answer is do your homework on the judges before showing under them, and you never know 1 day it may go in your favour.
maybee we could start a poll to see who what everyone thinks should ponies that wrong leg it deserve to have their show mark marked very low, or is a knocking of couple enough especially if it is just 1 stride thoughts please

[naughtybutnice]

tigercub said:

hormonal said:

Sounds like a very good judge to me - we need more like that!

Have to agree.

I agree too! Shame a few pthers don't follow suit.

It is also possible not to spot quite how fat a pony is on the original go round, otherwise what would the point of stripping be?
Your story obviously proves him consistant in that he still liked your pony, he was just not impressed by it being overweight.
You can't really argue with that surely?

[jimjim]

The best pony should win. These are animals you are talking about not robots. For heavens sake what has a wrong leg got to do with it. How about resisting the bit, throwing heads, not travelling forward and straight, tail swishing. All these are far far worse than a wrong leg. Is that all you can see it is so obvious?

[avie]

naughtybutnice said:

tigercub said:

It is also possible not to spot quite how fat a pony is on the original go round, otherwise what would the point of stripping be?

the point of striping is not to see how fat a pony is! you can tell of over weight ponies in their first show and most judges can actually do so as soon as they have entered the ring, it's due to the fact of dippy backs etc, also a animal looks very different with a jockey on board to not, confirmation really comes into it then.


regards to ponies wrong legging it and winning, at least it's not a confirmation fault, a lot of judges obviously would rather put ponies up & win for wrong legs than other faults, and if they feel thats the best animal in the ring ON THE DAY then so be it